/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

In God, all things are possible.

Have faith in that.

Not what some high doctrinal monkey yells at in your face.

>We have been taught that Christ is the first-begotten of God, and we have declared him to be the Logos of which all mankind partakes [John 1:9]. Those, therefore, who lived according to reason [Greek, logos} were really Christians, even though they were thought to be atheists, such as, among the Greeks, Socrates, Heraclitus, and others like them. . . . Those who lived before Christ but did not live according to reason [logos] were wicked men, and enemies of Christ, and murderers of those who did live according to reason [logos], whereas those who lived then or who live now according to reason [logos] are Christians. Such as these can be confident and unafraid

St. Justin Martyr (First Apology 46 [A.D. 151]).

>>734914

It is stated in the Bible that there were two compartments of the underworld: a provisionary paradise, for the (faithful) children of Abraham, the faithful before Abraham, and those who lived according to reason. This compartment is now empty; see "The Harrowing of Hell". The other compartment is Hell/Gehenna, which is still in use.

>>734975

Wow.

Which fringe pastor did you steal that one from?

<For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. Romans 4:3

If they believed God, they were saved

purgatory doesn't exist

>>734986

its in the New Testament iirc

>>734986

Its Catholic doctrine. Never heard of the limbo of the Patriarchs?

>>734993

>>734989

>>734997

Lol. So which one is it?

>>735003

It's fringe nosnense misinterpreted by sick psychophants.

The gall to claim knowledge of the afterlife with sections and drawers.

Next you'll tell me God has a special cupboard for the souls of dead cats.

>>735006

FFS, anon. Jesus describes the pre-crucifixion afterlife as paradise with Abraham across a great chasm from Gehenna. It isn't even remotely fringe, it's Church doctrine from as early as the NewTestament. Why are you being retarded on purpose?

>hurr can people die of the black plague before treatment

>>735009

Bull.

I read the Bible and he did it all in a marvelous poetic metaphor.

It's crazies like you that take it all for dead words in stone and ruin the faith.

>>735017

>It's crazies like you that take it all for dead words in stone and ruin the faith.

>1 minute ago anon didn't even know who believed in Abraham's Bossom(As evidenced by him thinking it was a fringe doctrine)

>Now he knows exactly who believes in this doctrine, why they do

Rather than argue with you I'm going to hope a mod cleans up the mess you're making.

>>735009

>Guys why is God a big meanie bobeanie

<*Members of this board supply scriptural evidence that God is in fact fair and just*

>You guys are weird what's wrong with you lol

You are one of those people who delights in being angered.

By Iesous, you will have a taste of my Bible.

>I read the Bible and he did it all in a marvelous poetic metaphor.

"Everything in the Bible that I Dont Like is a Metaphor: The Modernists' Guide to Watering Down the Word of God"

>>734975

>which is still in use.

And you know all this how?

>>735028

Wow.

Do you even know what a metaphor is and how to read one?

It's literalist morons like you that ruins this board.

>>735035

Because it LITERALLY is a metaphor.

You can quote scripture as much as you like, but if you can't understand basic literature interpretation and take it for its word, how can any sane person take you seriously?

Who was Abraham? What does he represent? Why would he have a chasm and cradle people like Socrates until Jesus would come?

Your faith is so weak that you don't dare ask these questions and throw yourselves into blind idiocy, spreading it like others, instead of manning up and seeing an even greater picture.

It's fools and lukewarms like you that ruin this board, not me.

>>735044

Damnation is everlasting. The unrepentant still go to hell. This is explicitly stated all throughout the New Testament, and Christ preached about Hell far mor than He preached about Heaven.

>>735065

>Because it LITERALLY is a metaphor.

Offer scriptural proof, please. Why are you so triggered by Biblical doctrine? You're the one citing only your Le Supreme Intellect instead of the inspired Word of God and Chrurch doctrine.

>>735006

The limbo of the Patriarchs is Abraham's bosom.

>>734986

>Which fringe pastor did you steal that one from?

That theory comes from some guy named Jesus of Nazareth. A lot of Christians have rejected his teachings as being too extreme but I like him.

>>735169

>Limbo is a theologoumenon in Catholicism, isn't it?

Meh kinda. The limbo of the Patriarchs (aka Abraham's bosom, located in hell) isn't one since its existence is explicit in the scriptures.

Now as for the limbo of the infants (where unbaptised babies go, located in hell as well), it can be considered a theologoumenon, since its only an opinion, a likely one but still an opinion shared by most theologians and has no concrete support in the scriptures and mainly developed by St. Augustine.

Because they still broke God's law

Oh, they knew who the Son is after they and He entered into Sheol.

Bosom of abraham/purgatory.

Reminder that jesus went to hell for 3 days.

>>734914

Well, if you are Orthodox or Catholic you will be told that God judges them based off the merits of their heart. So if there is a cannibalistic tribe in Africa that no one can talk to or approach, then the ones within that tribe who say and act with "This is wrong, killing others and eating them is not right and I reject this" will be saved. For the most important commandment is loved, and blessed are those who follow this in a society ignorant of it. They follow it because they realize as humans created by God, that God did not them to do this.

But for those North Sentinelese and other tribes that kill people, yeah they probably won't be initially saved. Of course only God knows if one of them realizes how wrong their ways are in killing others.

>>735442

I'm Orthodox and this is wrong. God judges based off the merits of our heart, but without baptism and the Eucharist our heart cannot be in good standing with God. If there is a cannibalistic tribe in Africa that is untouched, they will all go to Hell, no questions asked.

>but Romans 2:12

St Paul is here praising the Gentiles for being led by their heart and the grace of God to join the Church, he is not saying that Gentiles outside the Church can be saved.

Just to confirm, did jews in Levitical law before jesus goto heaven (the ones that followed the doctrine)? because im borderline confused and drunk

>>734914

They don't go to hell, they stay in Sheol until judgment when the best of them will be saved by the grace of God.

Call Sheol limbus if you want.

>>735449

So do catholics. Salvation outside the church is possible theoretically, but unlikely. That tribesman had to live a perfect life according to the natural law and looking for God. Then at some point even one second before death Jesus would reveal Himself to him and that man if he believed he would wish for the baptism, but being unable to receive it now he would go to have thanks to the baptism by desire.

But again this are only theoretical hypothesis.

Whether this happens or not its up to God.

Everyone is judged by the measure of their knowledge (Deuteronomy 1:35-39, Luke 12:47-48, John 9:40-41, John 15:22-24, Romans 2:12-15, Romans 5:13). Those who didn't know about Jesus Christ, whether born before or after His first coming, are not by definition in hell, they are judged fairly. The same goes for those who didn't know about the law of Moses in the OT. Everyone is judged with equity (Psalms 98:8-9).

>>735466

Are you having a stroke?

>>735470

>Sheol

Thats Jewish

Gettin real winnie the pooh sick of this thread

>>735748

Than sage it instead of bumping it, friend.