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>>734260

Insights, not books, I don't have the time.

>>734263

You said you don't believe they exist. So you need evidence, not vague insights. If you're too lazy or preoccupied to study (and that book would hardly qualify as a real study, it's a very short overview) then just accept their existence on faith.

>>734259

Trusting the testimony of scripture without additional evidence is not heresy. The scripture is self authenticating, and as such it is your authority in all that it affirms.

But there is evidence for angels in the experiences of men and women all over the globe. Not only Christians, but other religions also talk about spiritual beings appearing as men.

>>734267

Thank you for your actually helpful comment. The thing is that they haven't "cropped up" spiritually for me personally. I of course believe that spiritual beings have had occasion to communicate with certain privileged people, such as Jacob, Abraham, Ezekiel and so on.

I just hadn't given angels any thought beyond this.

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>>734271

lol you don't have to believe in the toll houses, but it's a good overview of experiences with supernatural beings and post mortem states from both secular and religious sources.

>>734272

Ok, I'll go read it

>>734270

Yeah man we take other people's word about their experiences all the time unless we have reason to discount it. And in the case of angels we have more than sufficient reason to think they are trustworthy, and that, given God's own existence, it's highly probable that He would create such beings.

>>734272

I know, I just couldn't let the opportunity pass by kek.

>>734259

Once you have evidence that Christianity in particular is true, you can take the existence of angels on the authority of the Bible. You don't NEED to prove everything about Christianity individually so long as you can prove the whole.

That said, medieval philosophers like Aquinas did endeavor to prove that angels existed, so you might look into some of their arguments. More recently, though, angels have been largely passed over by popular Christian philosophy. I don't know any good arguments in favor of their existence myself, and I expect that that's true of the majority of Christians. I'd agree with the other guy in the thread: if you want evidence, you'll have to dig a little.

>>734259

Watch fr ripperger vids about demons on YouTube. He's an old rite exorcist and has encountered hundreds of demons

>>734271

Funnily enough toll houses is also a catholic doctrine although which specifically being called toll houses

>>734303

Yes, it's actually mentioned in the book.