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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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c6b34e  No.733641

You guys ever googled ancient jewish cosmology.

23b491  No.733654

Yes, it's 80% presuppositions and speculation to excuse away orthodoxy,. notice 'ancient jewish' spiritualities trend exploded after the discovery of numerous near-unchanged biblical manuscripts?

Everytime a "scholar" gets rebutted on one hypothesis, he creates two more, makes many of us wonder if EO is correct regarding western scholasticism.

Don't worry, once 99% of possible manuscripts will be dug up and examined, all these examples of paper-thin 'objections' will nothing more as evidence to future why society should never break away from sacralism into secularism. Since now as we speak, such a system produces insane babbling disguised as rationality.


c6b34e  No.733657

>>733654

Right, I’m with you on being against secularism 100%. What I’m struggling with is that the bible describes a flat earth and a non transcendant God with a dwelling place and physical form. I’m honestly done asking questions for now. I need to be quiet for awhile and just think.


f56124  No.733658

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>>733657

>the bible describes a flat earth and a non transcendant God


3d6ca0  No.733660

>>733657

Isaiah 40:22

>It is He who possesses the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers. It is He who stretches out heaven like a vault, and spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.


c6b34e  No.733669

I’m struggling with my faith in a way I never have before. I’ve believed for 4 years now. Trying to figure things out.


f56124  No.733693

>>733669

>the bible describes a flat earth and a non transcendant God

Have you even read the Bible once, man?

What modern Biblical scholars do you follow?


df199d  No.733699

>>733641

Jewish cosmology takes the literary form of myth. Or you expected God to dictate precise physics with the laws of gravity and equations to a nomadic tribe?

The Bible also describes non physical realities (heaven and earth) that are outside of our physical universe, we are not able to grasps these ideas today and ancient jews were even less able. There is no other way to describe these except to call them as if they were geographical places.

Mythological language expresses truth but in a different, simbolic way.

Earth is the material world, it's in the middle between heaven and the abyss of water. Just below Earth is Sheol, the realm of the dead. Abyss is the realm of the marine serpent (representing evil).

Above the stars, meaning outside the physical sky, is heaven, the residence of God and blessed souls.

As for the non trascendant God I think you are mistaken. As I explained above Heaven is not a physical place in our physical universe, just like Sheol isn't actually a place in the middle of Earth.

Jesus told us to pray "Our Father who are in heaven" and this is literally true and not contradicted by the OT, except some primitives understood heaven as the physical sky, but this do not concern us.

We also know the Temple, more precisely the Tabernacle in the Sancta Sanctorum was also called "residence of God". So if the Jews considered the Tabernacle and the Temple the "house of God" do you think they believed in God being in heaven as if in a physical place or in a more trascendant way? It seems to me it imply the second one.


f6e935  No.733713

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Yes and my hermeneutics insist that the OTs cosmology means the earth really is flat. There is no easy way around it if you consistently apply the histoeical-grammatical (literal) method and doctrine of full inerrancy


f6e935  No.733715

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4735b2  No.733722

>>733713

>>733715

Nice psyop, you luminescent fellow.


f56124  No.733734

>>733699

This dubs anon makes the most sense here.


5f3aaf  No.733765

>>733722

not an argument, and the accusation really doesn't make sense.

I could say YOU'RE a CIA tigger for trying to dismiss an anti-nwo, anti-nasa presentation off-hand


4735b2  No.733778

>>733765

Nah, the Bible says the earth is round.


23b491  No.733789

>>733657

>>733660

>flat earth

You do know that the Hebrew word for "circle" here also means orb, sphere, horizon, and strangely, 'circuit'.

>non transcendant God with a dwelling place and physical form.

You Muslim?


5f3aaf  No.733875

>>733778

show me


5a22a7  No.733879

The OT was written by desert-dwelling people who didn't do a whole lot of travelling, nor took to highly organised methods or conceptions of thinking, i.e., philosophy, mathematics, etc. (that came later with the Church Fathers and even the Evangelists). Indeed, the writers of the OT describe the Earth as a flat plane, but they were merely describing how it appears when you're in the middle of the bloody desert. It's the same with the sky, or firmament; it looks like a dome that covers a flat surface from our perspective. It's only when we measure shadows and so forth with complex mathematics that we can really see that the Earth is curved – obviously that came from the Greeks who were curious about everything, not the legalistic and stuck-in-the-mud Hebrews.

The fact that this sort of basic empathy, of trying to understand something from the perspective of a totally different culture, is so difficult for so many American Christians in particular is highly troubling.


17d7e9  No.733884

>>733879

define inerrancy


5a22a7  No.733887

>>733884

>absolutely everything in the Scriptures has to be literally – physically – the case according to modern English

Read >>733789.


17d7e9  No.733895

>>733887

is that your definition or the strawman of your opponent




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