/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

Can't you πr8 it?

i have pirated it but its grossly outdated and not very functional, frequently crashing.

>>731593

Logos 7 Basic is free. Just not those huge libraries. But you'll get some basic study materials and a KJV with this. You can slowly build a library from there.

Don't pirate and steal.

>>731617

Information is nonscarce and therefore is not property. It's not stealing to learn about the Lord for free.

>>731619

If it was up to me, I'd agree. But it isn't. Information is a commodity in most countries. Except maybe communist China.

>>731631

A device built on top of a resource does not rewrite its properties.

>>731593

Why don't we write our own Free, Libre, and Open Source software

>>731637

Open Source software is useless in this context. All of the important resources which LBS uses are not only not free, but excruciatingly expensive.

>>731653

It costs Logos money too. So when you steal from them, you're hurting an innocent middleman.

If you notice on their website, people can "vote" on various books that they want to see on Logos. And if there is enough demand, Logos invests their own capital in the hopes they get a return from the people who demanded. Pirates just end up screwing them over.

>>731660

>>731653

People could donate.

>>731674

That's another reason I don't even bother with most translations.

You do know that the NIV and NKJV (and some others) are actually owned by Jewish mogul Rupert Murdoch, right?

And these other publishers aren't much better (Crossway, etc). The whole proliferation of modern bibles is a big racket.

But as for the secondary materials (regular human authored books on Logos), I think it's a bit unfair to pay their authors.

>>731676

I mostly agree with you but importing /pol/ into here wasn't my purpose. I'm looking to see if anyone knows if there is a way to pirate or access all (all of it) Logos' library of resources, preferably using the software but if manual use is necessary that's fine.

>>731679

I'm not /pol/. I'm just against profiteering and Zionism. It just so happens that a group of people qualify there. But unlike /pol/, I want them to have life and repent.

Anyways, for a free option, try e-sword? I think that's the name.

>>731683

there are reasons why LBS is astronomically superior to everything else. For one, it has by far the best crossrefencing tools. Secondly, it has an extremely vast library of sources, resources, translation and transliteration tools, so on and so forth. It has virtually every relevant periodical you could imagine, both academic and popular. the wealth of knowledge is enormous beyond belief and any minister worth his salt should have a tool like this. But it's locked behind an unpayable wall, and I really do mean unpayable. E-sword is complete garbage that looks and runs like its from 1998. Another tool, also unaffordable, though not nearly as much, but now is also unavailable to even purchase, is Bibleworks 10. It's still supported, but no longer for sale.

>>731688

I sympathize. Really. I just don't think pirating is the answer.

Not sure what to say. I doubt my own studying example would help, but I'll just say it's pretty simple. I mostly rely on hardcover books. A KJV with Apocrypha, copies of Greek/Hebrew and interlinears, a Septuagint, the whole library of Early Church fathers on my Kindle, a Strong's Condorance, Brown/Driver/Briggs/Thayer Lexicons, and some maps. This is all I think you really need for serious studying, but ymmv.

>>731697

i agree with you that for the average person most or all tools they need are freely available or at most extremely inexpensive. My reasons for wanting this software and its associated libraries are twofold. One, which is less important, is because it brings me a lot of happiness to do in depth study, even more difficult stuff regarding language. But the far more important reason, is I "kind of" have my own flock of say, less than 10 friends or so, who i minister to. I say this not to brag either. One of them is was an agnostic from a Muslim family, who, who I had extensive conversations with over a long period of time. I am not claiming credit. He know knows the Lord, and I am grateful God helped him into it. The rest are largely atheist or agnostic, though socially conservative, not fedora tippers. I need extremely sophisticated arguments and knowledge to be able to convince them. my best friend is an atheist, though he now understands Christianity is the best religion, and he has a strong appreciation for the benefits of Christianity, he effectively cannot bring himself to believe without empirical proof, sadly. That being said, any knowledge can help. I do not know if he will ever accept Christ, but I will not stop trying.

Why don't you download Xistos? It's free.

>>731775

Certain bible software can be used to quickly compare texts and search for passages.

I sometimes use Xiphos to compare both English and Dutch sources.

>>731758

I wish you well on how to find a way to attain this, but the best witness you'll ever see is the good news of Christ himself. If people can't accept it, then it's not your fault. Just pray that they do eventually. Secondly, being a good witness yourself and a standup person goes a long way. :)

Some of the most learned Church fathers in the entire history of Christianity lived before there was even such a thing as "software". They managed to study just fine.

>>732005

Yeah, I rely on free resources as well. But in Logos' defense, it's particular "ecosystem" is so much easier to search and organize and prepare information. I wouldn't need it, but it is neat.

Heard that Accordance is an okay alternative. Tho, it doesn't many options to download various commentaries/studies like Logos, but at least it allows you to compare ancient manuscripts with modern translations

>asking Christian board how to steal Bible software

Is joke, yes?