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>Contact with indigenous Andaman tribes living in isolation from the world is illegal

I think (((they))) want these people to live in squalor and die in hell

>>730610

Well, he wouldn't be the first missionary killed by a native population. There's an entire catalog of martyrs and saints filled with missionaries killed by a native population.

>>730618

Not only that, but contacting uncontactes peoples is illegal for a reason, you can eradicate the entire population via exposure to a pathogen like the common cold.

>>730613

They would be in e-z hell or some such at worst, having never heard the word of God.

>>730625

Not necessarily. Do we know what language these people speak or if they have a written language? If so, the great commission is still in effect. We can still give them the gospel without setting foot on their island. What a great technological age in which we live.

>>730627

Apparently they speak their own language that isn't close enough to the languages of the nearby islands for people to work off of.

Rule of thumb: uncontacted tribesmen attack strangers with deadly force on sight.

You can't travel the sea without knowing that.

>>730625

>They would be in e-z hell or some such at worst, having never heard the word of God.

<For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

>They would be in e-z hell or some such at worst, having never heard the word of God.

>>730650

>Are there any Christians left on this board, or only trannypol larpers?

I do think many of us still lurk here sometime, but only post occasionally in wholesome threads like prayer or purity thread or others that appears from time to time.

>>730650

>trying to spread the word of God to those who haven't had contact with it is a duty of Christian charity

Matthew 10:14,15. If they refuse to even let you near the island, you should move elsewhere, to preach to people who will actually listen to the Gospel.

>>730668

If you walk up to an uncontacted tribe then they're going to start throwing spears at you. The ones who don't act this way stopped being 'uncontacted' a long time ago.

In all likelihood, the dead man suffered from a terminal case of "nobody ever thought of this until I showed up" syndrome.

Leave the Sentinels alone

They don't know the psychological suffering of the modern age

>>730617

>barely even human

Still human and the end of times won't be triggered until everyone gets the word.

>>730613

It's because the people of the island are homicidally xenophobic. No one has gone to that island and lived to talk about it.

>>730687

>what are firearms?

>>730687

waaaay back, the british went there. they got into a fire fight and took a sentinelese with them. I think it was a kid, a woman and an old man. IIRC, the adults died, and when they found that they couldn't civilize the kid, they took him back and dropped him off.

people've been there and even taken sentinelese off the island, it just isn't really worth the effort. they try to kill you going in, and they die of disease on close contact with foreigners anyway.

I bet he is an Evangelical or a Baptist lol

>>730618

>>730623

>>730672

Yeah, lets just let them all burn in hell for the rest of eternity, I mean, we wouldn't want them to have pay taxes or get sick, right?

>>730668

>>730713

>>730728

Isn't presumption a sin?

>>730617

>We must sound the drums of war.

But seriously though, what would be the righteous and Christian thing to do about these people? It's pretty much impossible to preach to them as they kill everyone on sight. It also seems impossible to gather information about their language/culture/vulnerability to diseases etc. Leaving them be is also not good.

>>730610

They sent him to heaven, dude. He's fine.

If this guy was Cathodox would this qualify him to be a saint due to martyrdom spreading the gospel?

I can't believe some of the replies I'm reading in this thread.

>>730668

Sadly this. This man most likely didn't have Christ in mind when he made this trip, just his own selfish desires of exploration, fame, and possibly martyrdom. Christians in the U.S. need to get their pooh together and bring the word to their own broken countrymen before it's too late; we're hardly a Christian nation ourselves anymore. I guess soul-winning in the U.S. doesn't compare to exploring the world and taking selfies with foreign people for attention on social media though.

>>730788

me too, this guy literally died trying to spread the word of god

>>730740

>Prove to me he's not.

Is that how it works?

>Heretics usually do stupid stuff like this.

Christians have been killed from the beginning trying to spread God's word, there's no difference between this and any other mission to tribal people.

>>730759

>hell doesn't exist

We'll see about that

>>730826

>Hand rubbing intensifies

>t. duplicitous jew

You're telling people to ignore the great commission, effectively damning them to hell, and you're calling me the jew?

>>730788

Apparently when you're attacking protestants, you get to say anything you want here and the mods wont do anything about it.

>>730831

Yeah yeah, pretty hard to take seriously the word of someone who probably mocks Christianity in one thread while (((promoting))) it in another to their own destructive ends.

>>730756

sneaking in little drones and stuff like that?

>>730788

This. The young man did more to further the Gospel than most people on this board ever will. None of us have any idea what was in his heart, and to presume it is only selfishness says a lot about the state of our own hearts. He left home, went across the planet, risked (and gave) his life, all so that some people who he has never known may know Christ.

>>730880

I can admire his drive and courage to do so, but I must ask, despite this possibly sounding stupid, but did he even speak their language? Speaking the teachings of the Lord is not bad, but it would help if those they are preaching to could understand.

>>730884

Idk fam I didn't read the article. I read the title and formed my own objective opinion about the whole situation. I think he did speak it a bit, but how well I don't know. Would be pretty stupid to engage with hostile people yelling in a language they don't understand.

>>730886

>I think he did speak it a bit

Nobody knows their language, and any attempts at communication in the past have shown that whatever they do speak, it's probably not related to anything else.

He literally turned up on an ialand trying to preach to hostile people he cant even speak to. This isnt evangelisation, it's just stupidity that lead to his death. On top of that the whole disregard for the disease thing, you know that thing where his mere presence could potentially wipe out their entire population, that doesnt make Christians look too good tbh fam.

>>730831

>Christians have been killed from the beginning trying to spread God's word, there's no difference between this and any other mission to tribal people.

Babbling in English to people who clearly see you as an enemy is not being a Christian. It's like entering a terrorist cell looking as american as it gets. Being inconsequential is not equal to monks who were mutilated by Constantine V.

I'm appalled by some of the responses in this thread. Why do you guys have such a hard time just behaving like civilised people?

Thread reopened and cleaned up. Behave this time around.

>>730947

This. I understand wanting to spread the Gospel, but I think a lot of posters here are being more prideful than they'd care to admit. We have the entire civilized world falling into apostasy or outright heresy, and the Catholic Church is doing everything it can (from an optics perspective, anyway) to drive an entire generation of people away from the Faith.

I get that everyone means everyone, including uncontacted peoples, but when there's obviously far too much work to do here, there's no point in blindly running into a hostile situation where the best case scenario is you spread the word just long enough to accidentally kill the entire population of a rare and isolated peoples with disease before they can convert. Fix the Anglosphere first, then go South and East.

>>730636

He knew that full well. He said that he hoped he wouldn't die, but he seemed ready for it. He wrote that he didn't want anyone to hold it against the natives or God if he was killed, and that they should forgive the natives and keep living in Christ.

>>730788

Same. I've read tons of the articles on this and the guy honestly sounds like a genuinely good guy who was trying to preach the gospel. Tons of fedora tippers and the like are using it to ramble about "hurr stupid Christians get what they deserve," though.

>>730610

Very good for him, very bad for them.

I probably don't agree with his theology, but still a martyr is a martyr

With these type of people, the only way to do it properly is to send the military to protect the missionary. The instant the natives shoot them they shoot back, until they prove their superior military force to the savages.

Then the missionary will have to do as the missionaries of old did, live among them, learn their culture and language to only then begin spreading the Word of Christ.

Unfortunately whe dont have christian governments worried about the salvation of people's souls, we have secular/atheist and satanic government that despises us and seek eternal danmation for all people on the world, so i don't think it will happen soon.

>>730931

I'm not going to say they weren't wrong to say what they did, but

>Guy breaks a law made to stop someone form committing unintentional genocide

>People are upset for some reason

How can you not see it?

>>730947

this

its not like vaccines exist or anything

What the sentenalese need is someone like Juan Diego (who I admit converted before his vision) to preach the gospel to them in their own terms. Their xenophobia won’t allow for anything else.

>>731165

Ah yes, perpetuate the injustices of the past. The bit about shooting back echoes some current political controversy.

And it's wondered why such people are disliked, not that it should be a trouble for them as their religion teaches that being hated is ideal.

>>730610

Theists ask that they be preached to. Secularists ask that they leave this largely virgin remaining culture untouched by a predominant religion and culture with all the foreseeable effects.

It's been seen before what happens when a religion is imposed on those not of it.

It has also been observed before what happens when atheism is imposed on religious cultures.

>>730613

>I think (((they))) want these people to live in squalor and die in hell

No it's probably just a general principle in leaving people be by those who don't subscribe to your particular belief instead of any deluded presumption of malevolence, which is probably what is wicked actually.

Flurry of backlash and accusation impending.

>>731188

I do see it, which is why I deleted some comments calling for barbarism and genocide(a crime you can get jail time for in my country), same as some comments which had a less than civilised way to discuss the fate of the young man in particular and americans in general.

Rule 2 applies to the entire board, in all threads and during all interactions, no matter who and what is being discussed.

,,Interactions must be for the sake of Charity. Post made in the spirit of disruption or spite could earn you a short to permanent ban.

Charity is a foundational concept in Christianity. It is the virtue of supreme love for God and others. It is the greatest of the three virtues Paul emphasizes, and governs all Christian conduct. Just because this is an 8chan board does not alleviate Christians of their moral duty. All interactions must be done with this in mind."

>>731188

Because of the risk of disease, we must leave people to live in squalor and sin? Before you say I'm being ignorant for assuming they're evil or sinful in their ways, remember they try to murder anyone they come into contact with.

>>732032

>Try to cross a border illegally

>Guard shoots you

>This is correct

>Try to cross into tribe territory

>Tribe shoots you

>This is incorrect for some reason

What is it? Because the government behind the first example is big enough or something?

>>732041

*>>730610

>>730623

Actually, that's the reason.

Apparently, most of the Sentinel people got wiped out by the british occupation a long time ago, so now thy are violently rejective of most foreigners, for good reason.

>>730892

> it's probably not related to anything else.

Well, it seems the Onge, their "cousins"(which ironically, are described as super sweet and peaceful folk), speak some related tongue, but even they can't understand them anymore.

>>732032

>Because of the risk of disease, we must leave people to live in squalor and sin?

No, but you should do it in a way that doesn't involve giving them SuperAIDS, because then you have no one to preach to.

And that's beside the lovely impression they will make of Christendom when the first and last missionary they get before they get wiped out is pretty much a herald of Nurgle.

Yet millions of illegals travel to the US to take welfare and erode our culture = you're racist if you don't let them take over America.

>>732076

Why did you have to shoehorn shit like this into threads, no matter how unrelated the subject matter is at hand.

>>730696

>>730691

All the apostles spread the gospel without raising a sword.

This man may be stupid, but at least he has more conviction than you guys