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This is disturbing because this moron has a church.

Wow, that hurt to watch.

wtf i love calvin now

>>727402

John Calvin gave all the credit to the Gnostic Augustine in that book and also credits his salvation to his infant baptism ,

try finding that in scripture , no wonder he got it all wrong

>>727440

All (historical) Protestants are basically Augustine Catholics imho…who sort of revolted at Thomism and the same innovations that brought about the schism from Orthodox.

>>727524

How if they have different opinions about justification and free will? Calvin pushes the doctrine of free will of the church (augustinian) and takes it to the absurdum.

I don't know of it was Luther or someone close to him but they said that although they thought Augustine was cool, he was with no doubt the father of Catholic theology and he didn't support any of their views.

>>727440

Funny they even mention Gnostics cause Prots are actually Gnostics

>>727555

elaborate

>>727565

I’ll elaborate for him: he’s wrong. He doesn’t know what a gnostic is.

>>727524

Thomistic metaphysics proved more valuable to the reformers than to Rome which is why she abandoned Thomas in the Counter-Reformation in favor of Molina's new teaching. Of course, these days every papist's a Thomist, but this wasn't the case a few centuries ago, and the prominence he now has in Protestant thought is due to tradition, not Roman influence.

>>727547

>I don't know of it was Luther or someone close to him but they said that although they thought Augustine was cool, he was with no doubt the father of Catholic theology and he didn't support any of their views.

I'm gonna guess neither given that the early Lutherans cited Augustine almost as much as (and sometimes even more than) the bible. That sounds much more like an Anabaptist, who generally disdained all things old and traditional. Also, the reformers used the term 'Catholic' with exclusive reference to themselves.

>>727402

Why is he pronouncing it "Paah-pacy," and "Paydee-oh baptism?"

>>727555

>>727636

OSAS was first believed by Gnostics. Prots say they believe what the Early Church believed. The only early "Christians" that believed what Prots do are Gnostics.

>>727673

Okay, so you don’t know what Gnostics are. Thanks.

>>727402

All Catholics are unsaved.

>>727694

Okay, since I need to spell it out

>Gnostics: secret doctrine, only the “elite” gets saved

>Protestants: extremely open about all doctrine, try to spread salvation to as many people as they can

Gnosticism isn’t a list of doctrines, it refers to a way they believe God redeems/interacts with humanity. Remember Tertullion is only speaking about certain Gnostic groups, and what he says they believe doesn’t apply to all Gnostic groups (for instance, the Mandaens and the Cathars). By your logic, since most Gnostics believe Jesus is the savior, all Christians are Gnostics.