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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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a02c2f  No.723267

I've just wanted to tell everyone on here goodbye. This environment has just become so toxic as of late. There is so much vitriol here and on top of that the mods have been going insane lately. It's just not cool anymore. I love you all, and you will always be in my prayers. Chan culture is just not something for me anymore. I used to be about edgy dark humor but now I have matured a lot. The culture here just doesn't fit Christian charity. The straw that broke the camels back is just the amount of chaos recently, a lot of it having to do with the way the mods are acting and the amount of people getting banned for no reason, myself included. I'm going back to Christian Forums and reviving my old account there. I'll probably also go back to Catholic Answers Forums, I'm not Catholic but I used to have a really active account on there where I used to actually engage and have nice conversations with Catholics. Catholics are great people, but the mods on here are not acting like good Catholics. You can say the people on those forms are "normies", but you know what, that's why they're loving and caring and mature people. Goodbye everybody, I will be praying for you.

(USER WAS BANNED FOR BAN EVASION)

e3bdef  No.723273

>The straw that broke the camels back is just the amount of chaos recently, a lot of it having to do with the way the mods are acting and the amount of people getting banned for no reason, myself included.

Maybe stop trolling and you'll be left alone?


a83144  No.723276

>>723273

>disagreeing with catholicism is trolling

The absolute state of Papists on this board.


bce365  No.723290

>>723267

I feel very much the same way, anon.


fb05b9  No.723291

Well cool, your loss.

Good journeys.


d78d8b  No.723326

It's not the chan culture, it's the moderation.

We used to have great chan-style threads here under different moderatorship. Memes and chan-style dialogue were just as prevalent. It's a shame there is this looming Catholic jackboot and steadily increasing hostility to Orthodoxy and the stripes of Protestantism.

I suspect it's a form of astroturfing used to D&C Christian chan groups for some political motive. I've heard much of Marxists doing this with various chan boards by getting on janitor/mod lists and slowly taking over the way they have with media, academia and entertainment.


0fc201  No.723330

>>723326

>I suspect it's a form of astroturfing used to D&C Christian chan groups for some political motive. I've heard much of Marxists doing this with various chan boards by getting on janitor/mod lists and slowly taking over the way they have with media, academia and entertainment.

That's sad. Is there any way to stop them?


af71b3  No.723333

>>723267

I agree. There is no Christian fellowship or even real discussion here. Just stupid flame wars and shit-flinging. Sometimes, every once and a while, there's a really good post but the rest of this board is utter crap. I don't know why I continue to come here anymore.


343932  No.723334

>>723333

there's lots of discussion here. haven't you seen like people spam 20 posts of nonsense, baptists running into any apostolic thread saying muh idolatry etc, totally in bad faith and so on? the issue is that baptists gets called out, tell me how many cats are in the baptist general, like none. but baptists can't help but stink up any cat thread, cause basically first of all they have nothing to talk about (they're saved) and so all they can do is try and monkey it up in cat threads. this is the main issue. what do you want a baptist to talk about. they are already saved, nothing else really matters to them. they can smoke crack for the rest of their lives and they're in heaven for eternity.


599fa0  No.723335

>>723330

>Is there any way to stop them?

They're not a worry since leftypol is incompetent and will screw up easily. The actual problem is Tutor, the board owner.


ec1b85  No.723336

>>723326

>It's a shame there is this looming Catholic jackboot and steadily increasing hostility to Orthodoxy and the stripes of Protestantism.

I feel like it has always been that way for at least 2 years. A lot of catholics on here would lose their minds if you didn't celebrate Halloween or considered the Apocrypha deuterocanonical which caused loads of fighting with other denominations. I was never really a fan of the huge catholic presence on this board.


ed9079  No.723339

Meh, I'll probably leave this board soon too, but only because it became extremely vain, to be quite honest.

I know this comparison may be out of context, but when talking in the church with priests and clergy in general, live discussions, I always gain something new, new knowledge, new information, I have clear informants on my questions regarding faith and priests that I know are quite educated and good hearted so I always feel happy discussing various important topics with them.

When I visit and then leave this board though, I feel kind of…empty. Its like theres a void in my heart after these threads.


d1fb80  No.723342

>banning someone that's saying goodbye because mods are too bitter

Do the mods have any shread of self awareness?


0b665a  No.723380

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>>723267

>(USER WAS BANNED FOR BAN EVASION)

Does this qualify for the most ironiest irony since Iron McIronity went to the iron mine?

Or has the irony meter flicked so hard around to lodge back at zero again?

Safe surfing, OP. The grace of God go with thee.


0b665a  No.723393

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>>723326

>I've heard much of Marxists doing this

Unless you mean "cultural marxists" – and even then I think that's hilarious – give it a rest.

Stop looking OUTSIDE for the problem. There are more than enough problematic Christians whose culture or personal beliefs are antithetical to chan culture and get easily triggered by the hard rough-n-tumble jocularity we inflict on each other. We don't need no stinking marxists to cause trouble. We're more than capable of doing it to ourselves.

I will offer up just one word for proofs: cuckvol.

I have no trouble believing the man (let's just assume) was a devout Cathbro, but he certainly did NOT belong on a chan much less hotpocketing one. He was a nightmare.

Now, do I believe we are sometimes cruel to each other on this board – no doubt. But, I tend to think that we are more likely to change by the example we're set than by the awesome power of the easily-evaded banhammer. Or with ten minute bans – that aren't worth evading – warning us that we're being uncharitable, or hour-long-you're-sent-to-timeout than just hurling us out for a week or four because we were uncivil to someone we're arguing with. I think we sometimes forget that the highest standard we as Christ's OWN are called to is to LOVE our enemies and be kind to those who inflict egregious intellectual butthurts on us.

By all means, ban the porn that routinely pops in. Ban the interloper with nothing interesting to add other than bile. But, let the board riff on itself. I will eagerly contend that through this board, and through the few occasions when a Orthbro or Cathbro has shown me consideration, charity – dare I say it – LOVE that my respect for the PEOPLE behind the differences that seem to divide us has grown exponentially through this board.

So, I find it to be a shame that moderation could drive some away, or frustrate the many who have clearly abandoned this board. (What's our pph now? Even half what it was?)

I'm sure moderation here is a tough job, requiring enormous commitment. Those guys that gave birth to http://www.christchan.is/ (an attempt to de-8ch-ify /christian/ ) proved that to me. Their BO lasted barely four months before the first of them handed over to one of the mods, and so on it went. That was the last time I felt really like this place had a solid chance. Alas.

Anyway. Stop blaming outsiders and Jews for our own problems. Christians have been near-perfect at eating our own for centuries. The devil may make us do it, but it's still our mouths doing the work.


d78d8b  No.723424

>>723393

It's true that chan culture is not for everybody, but what indicates that it's non-channers ruining this board instead of moderators? What else explains the change in post quality?

I have been posting actively to try grease the wheels on this board, to fan the furnace so to speak.

If the mods pinned a non-expiring thread about "say something nice to another denomination" or something fraternal and uniting it will defuse much of the tensions here. Chan culture is in a way inherently discriminatory based on any kind of difference, and has a reasonably healthy attitude of oneupmanship.

It'd also be nice to have mods of all kinds of denomination. The inhospitable air here is discouraging and certainly not going to attract people new to the faith and still questioning. The friendly ribbing is fine but the spiteful bickering is not.


89c046  No.723434

>>723267

Prots have been leaving this board butthurt ever since this board started. Remember that dude that even started an another Christian board? Anyway, bye.

>>723424

>"say something nice to another denomination" or something fraternal and uniting

We can't unite, we're inherently different. There is only one truth and claiming that everyone's guess as to what truth is the correct one is of equal worth, cannot be done for the sake of feel good unity.


d58ae9  No.723437

Yeah I think I'm may jump ship too. I come here every day so it might be hard to break coming here but shit seems to be hitting the fan. :/


d58ae9  No.723438


d78d8b  No.723440

>>723434

we're all Christians here at the least, we read Scripture, follow the Creeds and are usually Trinitarians

Early Church history is common to us all, there is wisdom from Saints we can all appreciate, there are ways to use the this place to hold ourselves up to the gold standard. The cynicism and pessimism here is tiring, nobody should be defending it.


c8932d  No.723443

>>723440

>we're all Christians here at the least, we read Scripture, follow the Creeds and are usually Trinitarians

We thoroughly disagree on salvation and the basic precepts of faith. This syncretism you're proposing was certainly not supported by the Apostles in the Bible. As st. Paul said, follow the traditions we have given you. Now, you can argue which traditions are true, but the point is that there is no middle ground, there is such thing as heresy, which leads to hell. Christianity was never this relativistic system where no one really knows the truth so everybody's guess is of equal worth.


d18758  No.723474

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>>723434

>We can't unite, we're inherently different. There is only one truth and claiming that everyone's guess as to what truth is the correct one is of equal worth, cannot be done for the sake of feel good unity.

He's right you know? Cause at the end of the day. I don't believe in Calvinisms Theology. I don't believe in Low Tier Protestants That's for God Sure. Not even the Higher protestant Churches, even as they contain just a glimpse of the Truth, of what was their Ancient faith. You know Luther Retaining the sacraments…….Baptism, etc. Again. The more i go down the rabbit hole of Early Church History. I find myself surely being at *Severe* Disagreements with all the protestant sec. As far as i'm concerned They're all Heretics and need to repent. I'm not claiming men can't be in a position of Agnosis. While, in a discerning Phase. To seek for honest Truth. But once the picture starts to come into play. Then a real Distinction can come into play. I'll quote from a book that my priest handed me. And really sums this up wells. *An unbroken tradition dating from our Lord and His apostles, no other Christian Church could legitimately claim that, not even Roman Catholicism.

I read more of the early church fathers i continued to read about the sacraments, Incense and chanting, fasting, rules of prayer, and monks. The pursuit of holiness was taken seriously Most importantly, i found the early Church did not use the bible as an exterior proof text for its theology, but rather obeyed the unbroken Apostolic tradition handed down, guarded, and proclaimed by the Church. In fact, the bible itself was authenticated, canonized, and subsequently understood and interpreted within that Tradition. It seemed reasonable that the older the tradition, the more reliable it would be. Yet no PROTESTANT body(Including the Lutherans) could claim a tradition which was more than 500 years old. Just one FOURTH of Church History!* End quote. But keep harboring these pet heresies, see where they take you.To all the people saying. We..we…we can all just get along. One in Christ, again at the end of the day. If you really take your faith seriously. Whether Lutheran, Anglican, low tier Protestantism, KJV Bible alone, i don't need no church……And especially Roman Catholic, or Orthodoxy. The other Faiths. They're still in Heresy, They're ultimately not the Ultimate Truth. Again. I may still be in the discerning between Roman Catholicism and Orthodoxy. But again, it just starts with a simple question, of is this Truth. Is the baptist faith and Tradition True? When you get into history it's pretty easy to say, no. It's just an offshoot That came out of the Protestant reformation……


d78d8b  No.723486

>>723443

I'm not advocating for syncretism, of course there are theological and historical differences. I'm not saying there's a middle ground, to be perennialists or relativists. Just to be charitable and loving in discussion. We can still bond over the Gospels, discuss events pertaining to Christian ideas in the wider cultural and political sphere. It doesn't have to be a scat-flinging fest all the time here.

>>723478

Maybe they're Jesuits?


a7819b  No.723488

>>723478

Wow sounds a lot like Satanism


7a6aea  No.723490

>>723326

>It's a shame there is this looming Catholic jackboot and steadily increasing hostility to Orthodoxy and the stripes of Protestantism.

/thread

Cathomods needs to be purged and this board would be great again.


93019f  No.723493

>>723474

I'm a Calvinist and I agree with the basis of what you are saying, that we are too different for fellowship. I see the Catholics believing in a different gospel, using baptism incorrectly, and a suffering a priesthood which bears bad fruit with disturbing frequency, corrupted to the very top of its hierarchy. Catholics offer all kind of rationalization for this corruption, while maintaining their claim to exclusive access to God's grace. Everyone outside of their organization is a heretic, not because of any matter regarding faith or doctrine, but simply for not belonging to their organization.

For these reasons, I think ecumenicism is limited to particular endeavors, such as political organization to end abortion, end attacks on marriage, etc.


7a6aea  No.723496

>>723493

God in his eternal wisdom has created the Catholics, so we Orthodox and Protestants, despite our many differences, can be united in our hatred towards them. Praise be to God.


93019f  No.723500

>>723496

Nope, you're alone in your hatred.


ae98bb  No.723515

>>723489

>It's not Satanism, it's just hubris.

>He's also talks about how his guardian angel will do things for him and how the rosaries he designs are inspired by his guardian angel when he asks for a design.

>and they talk about how they have "prayer power" from doing certain devotions and how they're going to get "super powers".

Hubris that is directly leading to the kind of behavior typically exhibited by your garden variety New Age Wiccans. Not to mention that Pride/Hubris is the keystone sin in all of this. Thus I think the "Satanism" label is quite appropriate.


e2a416  No.723520

>>723478

Screenshots, please!

>>723516

Communing with a some sort of spirit goes beyond Pelagianism and to a very concerning territory.


ae98bb  No.723523

>>723516

Thinking one has a special relationship with their guardian angel to the point getting rosary designs, and getting special "prayer power" and "super powers", goes a bit beyond just mere works heavy salvation.

>>723520

>Communing with a some sort of spirit goes beyond Pelagianism and to a very concerning territory.

^This.

And even then, at the end of the day, Pelagianism is essentially a Satanic heresy that elevates human works above being mere menstrual rags without faith in, and the grace of, God.


ae98bb  No.723571

>>723525

Whether it's chucking kids into the fire for Moloch, or erroneous heresy, if it's against God, it's Satanic.

Also, seconding the screen-shots/evidence request. If true, your testimony is quite bold and possibly earth-shattering for this board. Do you have anything to back up your claims, or are you just a troll/shill taking advantage of the current tense situation between mods and users here to sow discord?


4a4b99  No.723577

>>723571

Mods just deleted the screen shots. Wow.


4a4b99  No.723579

>>723578

Unfortunately, no. I've just been lurking on this thread for the most part.


343932  No.723596

>>723493

Were there Calvinists in the 12th Century? If so who were they? Or were all people lost


343932  No.723597

>>723493

Catholics build hospitals, heal the sick, feed the poor at disturbingly high frequencies. How many calvinist hospitals are there?


93019f  No.723642

>>723596

>Were there Calvinists in the 12th Century?

Anachronism.

>Or were all people lost

False dichotomy.

>>723597

>Calvinist hospitals

You've never heard of a Presbyterian hospital? Many churches in the Reformed tradition have established hospitals globally, and they are some of the best in the world.


343932  No.723657

>>723642

so you responded to nothing. where there people who believed what calvinism teaches in the 12th century? who were they? presbyterians are not calvinists exclusively. and hahahah the amount of garbage hospitals you've made is nothing compared to catholic hospitals. catholic schools are so good loads of non catholics want to go there. we build schools at an alarming rate and provide alarming quality of education. we're a minority in the states but have far more catholic schools, universities and hospitals everywhere around the world. we converted japanese people to christianity at an alarming rate compared to calvinists. we converted indians at an alarming rate compared to calvinists. why was the worship of st. thomas christians so similar to catholics, that majority of them came to the church? st. thomas was a heretic as well?


93019f  No.723671

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>>723657

Reformed theology is nothing more than biblical Christianity.

>12th century

That's when you guys started carrying around prayer beads, right? The things the pagans have been using for hundreds of years before that to count their vain repetitions that Jesus warned about in Matthew 6:7, right?

>garbage hospitals

pic related

>Presbyterian not Calvinist

lol

>converted the Japanese

<0.5% Catholic

<0.4% Protestant

>converted the Indians

They completed conquered the Indians and impregnated so many of their women, that the indigenous culture almost fully disappeared. It was conversion, it was replacement through war and interbreeding (similar to Muslim behavior).


06f1ee  No.723678

>>723342

He was spamming threads like crazy


0b665a  No.723759

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>>723424

>but what indicates that it's non-channers ruining this board instead of moderators? What else explains the change in post quality?

It's not one or the other, it's both in the same hotpocket. They have come to tolerate the partisan intolerance, as evidenced by the post following yours:

>>723434

And on the river of shit flows.

Yet somehow everyone likes to blame the "baptists" for all the problems here.


55029d  No.723819

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>>723267

I was actually feeling a similar feeling as I typed in the URL today and saw your post. I think I'll be leaving as well, at least for a nice long while. I've posted on this board since around 2015, and since then it has always been absolutely terrible. I stuck around for the occasional good thread, but now that I'm looking at it, I realize that even these "good threads" soon get destroyed by garbage posts and even worse moderation. Looks like the mods had to rub it in for you one more time, didn't they? What a shame.

>>723326

This board was never good. Remember cuckvol? Then he got purged, and now it's back to basically cuckvol levels of moderation abuse.

>>723339

Bingo. Every time I speak with a cleric or read some work of a saint, I gain something. When I come to this board, I do not. It is wasted energy.

>>723434

I'm praying for you. If you cannot see what has been happening to this board since its beginnings, then you really need it. There are many frustrated with this board: Catholics, Protestants, and Orthodox.

>>723759

Heh. Funnily enough, I often find that it's Catholics that fling the most shit on this board. Baptists do it too. Other Protestants and Orthodox are stuck in the middle.

As a final note to the mods: moderation of a community is tough. It's difficult to reconcile personal beliefs and principles with those that the board is founded upon. If this board were named /catholic/, I would not have a problem. But it is named Christian, and in your quest to be correct, you have sacrificed much of charity. See the attachment.

Also, I'll remind everyone of this prayer that we ought to pray, just once more, in that one language that for some reason nobody can ever remember but is definitely a big part of the early Church. What was it called again? Geek? Grook? Κύριε Ἰησοῦ Χριστέ, Υἱέ τοῦ Θεοῦ, ἐλέησόν με τὸν ἁμαρτωλόν




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