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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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0db457  No.722534

This has been something that's been driving me crazy for a while, since the thing that I had always thought Arminianism was is actually Molinism.

Arminians and Molinists both believe:

>Every man is atoned for on the cross

>God desires that every man be saved

>BUT not everybody will be saved

>AND God knows who will choose to accept Christ

But somehow in Arminianism God does not choose to use circumstances to influence people's choices regarding salvation.

I thought of a couple of possible ideas that Arminians could believe but not Molinists

>God had to make the world the way it is for some reason, and would not intrude on peoples' free will. I'm not certain, but this seems similar to what SDAs believe regarding the great controversy

>God chooses to not use or think about his knowledge regarding most peoples' salvation - this might be heresy

>Those who are unsaved would not accept Christ in any set of circumstances - so Calvinism without God's decree

>God gives enough prevenient grace for everybody to be saved, but to coax people would violate their free will - this might be what Methodists believe

It seems very heretical to say that God does not have middle knowledge, and it doesn't seem Arminians claim that.

Obviously Arminians are basically all Protestant and Molinism started off Catholic, but that distinction seems to be mostly historical. What I think is strange is how some Protestants are Arminians and others are Monists, but they manage to disagree. I don't want to hear about Calvinism or any other type of Soteriology because everything on the internet is just people showing off how many types they know about without getting into the nitty gritties. Anyway, serious discusison if this board is still capable of that, given what I'm seeing here about these ideas please!

f9b74b  No.723105

http://freethinkingministries.com/arminianism-vs-molinism/

Have you read the top result on this subject on Google? What about it was confusing to you? It doesn't seem confusing at all to me. Good thread in any event.




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