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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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8eb567  No.716659

What place will they have in God's plan when we inevitably create this new form of life ?

b8d38c  No.716661

Technically they would have no real soul… and that kinda scares me due to all its implications.


b453f0  No.716665

>>716659

>What place will they have in God's plan when we inevitably create this new form of life ?

They will be part of the Antechrist kingdom. Still, I believe we won't have the time to create them at all.


e222ec  No.716669

Antichrist


52429e  No.716677

>inevitably

aha


e42351  No.716684

>>716659

Unless we will be able to create rational souls and impart it on them (which I doubt that we will be able to until Second Coming at least. Im sure that God wont give us this knowledge and ability in our corrupted state) They will be simple automatons and no different from animals. Though scratch that, unless we will be able to create rational souls and impart it on them, there wont be self aware AI in the first place.

Though my greatest concern is that libtards will start giving them citizenship rights, ultimately dehumanizing mankind (though concept of Human Dignity is still supreme in international law thanks to Christian legacy, so I hope that legislators wont do that. Though I dont know if it will last long)

>>716665

>>716669

>rigid and simplistic answers

no


e222ec  No.716695

>>716684

simplistic yes, but rigid doesn't mean wrong


144540  No.716729

>>716684

>rational souls

Scholasticism has got to be the worst thing that ever happened to Christian theology.


bd3a56  No.716734

We won't because such a thing isn't possible. The idea that an AI can become like a human is to accept the idea that the human mind is simply a biological calculation machine crunching the numbers on all inputs and translating them into outputs. A machine made by man cannot ever be more than that.


e42351  No.716735

>>716729

I'm Orthodox though. I just used this term because I could find better term to differentiate between Animalistic lifeforce and our soul, both often translated as "soul". In anyway, I…dont really get whats wrong with said term though.


0fb545  No.716769

>>716659

Hi I'm Connor, an android sent by CyberLife.

It's not inevitable.


850dac  No.716841

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>>716729

On the contrary, Thomism is life, Thomism is love.


9060b9  No.716860

They will be the enemy of everything we hold dear


fb16a6  No.716861

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>>716841

Thomism is pelagianism: a heresy condemned first in the West and then in the East.

Pelagius: We are able to see with our eyes is not of us; but it is our own that we make a good or a bad use of our eyes. So again (that I may, by applying a general case in illustration, embrace all), that we are able to do, say, think, any good thing, comes from Him who has endowed us with this 'ability,' and who also assists this 'ability;' but that we really do a good thing, or speak a good word, or think a good thought, proceeds from our own selves, because we are also able to turn all these into evil.

Scholastics: We are able to think with our mind is not of us; but it is our own that we make a good or a bad use of our mind. So again (that I may, by applying a general case in illustration, embrace all), that we are able to do, say, reason, any theological truth, comes from Him who has endowed us with this 'ability,' and who also assists this 'ability;' but that we really reason correctly, proceeds from our own selves, because we are also able to turn this ability into evil.


2b4c10  No.716862

>when we inevitably create this new form of life ?

doubt

I dont think AI will ever progress past the "feed training input into this black box so it can classify data"


bc6eee  No.716880

>>716861

Are you retarded? Or just ignorant?


850dac  No.716883

>>716861

If the charge is the actual one given within the context of your quote, then no, that isn't at all the position of St. Thomas. The following is the actual text that precedes your quote:

>In his system, he posits and distinguishes three faculties, by which he says God's commandments are fulfilled — capacity, volition, and action: meaning by "capacity," that by which a man is able to be righteous; by "volition" that by which he wills to be righteous; by "action," that by which he actually is righteous. The first of these, the capacity, he allows to have been bestowed on us by the Creator of our nature; it is not in our power, and we possess it even against our will. The other two, however, the volition and the action, he asserts to be our own; and he assigns them to us so strictly as to contend that they proceed simply from ourselves. In short, according to his view, God's grace has nothing to do with assisting those two faculties which he will have to be altogether our own, the volition and the action, but that only which is not in our own power and comes to us from God, namely the capacity; as if the faculties which are our own, that is, the volition and the action, have such avail for declining evil and doing good, that they require no divine help, whereas that faculty which we have of God, that is to say, the capacity, is so weak, that it is always assisted by the aid of grace.

You have been misled somehow. This simply is not the position of any Thomist. To briefly quote St. Thomas: "And thus in the state of perfect nature man needs a gratuitous strength (i.e. grace) superadded to natural strength for one reason, viz. in order to do and wish supernatural good; but for two reasons, in the state of corrupt nature, viz. in order to be healed, and furthermore in order to carry out works of supernatural virtue, which are meritorious. Beyond this, in both states man needs the Divine help, that he may be moved to act well."

http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/15061.htm

http://www.newadvent.org/summa/2109.htm


e42351  No.716888

>scholastic autism commences

well, here goes yet another [-]


bb2be2  No.716929

As a programmer, I don't believe we are capable of creating an actual self aware machine that can do anything more than what man programmed it to do, with the exception of malfunctioning, due to hardware failure or some such. But, I do believe there will be more and more machine like simulations of real life. Things like retail sexbots will be a reality (if the end does not come first,) which is far from what such a machine's place would be in Yahweh's plan.

In regards to how more man-like machines will play a part in the Kingdom Messiah preaches, perhaps there is room for them in relation to dangerous tasks. If given the choice, at face value I would rather send a machine into a burning building to save souls, than risk yet another soul to die in such an awful death. But only if I was certain the machine was capable of such a task. However it seems to be something of an edge case to me, and hardly a good argument when we know that's not what these androids will be used for primarily, if at all. These unthinking machines will be used to accommodate the whims of the most evil men on the planet, such evil desires that even a sexbot is childish in comparison. And because Satan is the prince of this world, people will on the whole think it's good, when it is really very bad.




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