/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

>>711285

Idk, we could try recruiting from 4/pol/ and other boards.

22pph now

Catholic shitposting ruined the board.

Funniest thing is I'm bible study streamer and Paul streamer and my main ip is banned from the board for saying this place should be called catholic and banned for saying Catholics are delusional in the discord (1 time mind you) your moderation sucks and bans potential good contributors cause they are catholic and orthodox autist….

Because this board may as well be called /catholic/

>>711312

Agreed

>>711293

that's not very nice :( i'm a cat and i tuned into your bible study stream one night. oh well.

>>711362

but not very nice i mean what you were saying

>>711285

Because there are so many duplicate threads.

Too many sodomite troll threads allowed to stay up.

>>711286

NO

>>711286

what if we recruit from r/catholicism

inb4 my ban

>>711394

Why should or must I embrace Gnosticism, and why isn't Gnosticism heresy?

>>711394

Who are the guys behind Christchan?

>>711397

I don't think I understood your post. Could you explain more?

>>711400

originally a dead one off meme from 4chan that was revived and made to what it is here

Mods killed the board allowing reddit in.

>>711285

>Trusting questionable view count to begin with

>>711414

you mean ((vews))

real talk OP it is because the catholic mafia mods have ruined it and have turned this place (as well as the discord) into a radtrad catholic echo chamber. I have been using this board since early 2015 and it all went to hell when Alex stepped down as the board owner.

If anyone has an alternative imageboard that is active please share it.

>>711429

This times a 1000

I mean there is /christ/ mods there are a little chiller

>>711289

But the biggest shitposters are clearly Baptists. Catholics and Orthodox generally have reasonable conversations, Baptists tend to be cancerous in every single discussion. They constantly act insufferably, accusing the Catholic Church of being "whore of babylon", talking about how all you need is to believe in Jesus (but only in this particular way! If you believe in Jesus but are Orthodox/Catholic you're not saved!), shitting on thousand year old tradition.

Clearly this board is for all Christians and we should be able to set aside our denominational differences and talk about Christ in good faith. I rarely see that good faith extended by Baptists,they're aggressive and spend far more time shitting on apostolics than they do discussing their own doctrines.

>>711437

I agree Baptists don't act in good faith, but far too often I see Catholics either badmouthing protestants or just posting out of spite. Like making obnoxious Mary threads just to bait.

>>711437

Probably musulmen falseflaggers too. I suspect a lot of attempts to false flag as Orthodox and Catholics to tarnish their image.

Then there are threads that look like scripted Q&A posts. Like "I wanna convert to ____ denomination but I'm afraid I'm gonna upset my mother, what do anons?"

>>711451

>>711437

Dude orthodox and Catholics have this horrid air of superiority and go on about their 1000 yr tradition and call other churches invalid at the slightest critique of their religion then act high and mighty like they didnt sink liq the second some one uses harsh language back.

>>711461

90% of the time it's the Catholics doing it. Most of the Orthodox posters are respectful imo.

>>711461

>call other churches invalid at the slightest critique of their religion then act high and mighty like they didnt sink liq the second some one uses harsh language back

I see a of lot baptists doing this either

>>711285

>An upgrade patch to convert Alacrity to support multi-dimensional atomic memory transactions is ready to deploy. This patch should help alleviate posting lag and 50x errors.

Wow, why would people post less on 8chan if it's not working correctly. This has never happened before.

Also, there's a meta thread for these kinds of topics you know…

>>711467

a lot of*

>>711467

>>711464

It doesnt matter who it is tbh as long as they are all treated equally, Catholics and orthodox get preferential treatment and their low moments are forgiven, the Baptist, protestant etc dont they get banned.

>>711477

I can see what you're saying, but I can't remember the last time a Catholic or Orthodox made a thread calling the IFB church the Whore of Babylon for example. It's also unusual, from what I see, for a Catholic or Orthodox to say that Baptists aren't actually christian, but I do commonly see Baptists do this.

I'm not saying the mods don't tend to favor the Catholics, but sometimes the Baptists bring it on themselves.

>>711490

Going

>my religion is backed up by 1000 yrs of church history unlike yours

Is saying x is not Christian just in flowery better than though language

Here you are casting baptist these rabid ignorant people.

I'm not even baptist.

>>711432

If /christ/ isn't a cesspool of heresy and chaos (whether it be Cathars, Christian Kabbalah, Tulpas, pagan-Christian syncretism, or this one particularly obnoxious Gnostic who thinks he's being deep and profound by being edgy and lolrandum, if he's not just a troll), it's basically constant whining about /christian/ and Catholics, or people whining about being banned from here, even if they did something that obviously caused them to deserve to get banned (the "whining about getting banned on /christian/" thread on /christ/ included individuals bragging about making porn threads on this site.)

As flawed as this place is, I'll take the slight over-moderation of /christian/ over the under-moderated dumpster fire that is /christ/. And this is coming from a guy who's jimmies were seriously rustled when the mods here de facto banned Christian anime discussion under blatantly slimy and suspicious circumstances.

>>711497

Saying

>my church has tradition and yours doesn't

isn't the same as saying

>if you're not in my church, you're not a christian

And baptists do, on average, say this quite often.

>>711497

baptists jump into every thread about Our Lady or anything remotely cathodox/apostolic and start stinking it up with muh paganism day in day out. May they are bored because they are "saved" and now have nothing else to do with their life cause nothing matters anymore? I don't know but they don't have to engage with us all the time and foolishly insult, like it's going to do anything. I'm fine with them having their Baptist general and whatever, and if they're talking about something really Baptist i'm not gonna go in and rain on their parade, but they seem incapable of doing it.

>>711502

Well it's rather annoying talking to some one about christianity and them pointlessly reminding you over and over

"We are the original church"

The winnie the pooh moderator in the discord before they banned me for saying 1 time Catholics are delusional spammed my dms with catholic conversion shit the second I joined the discord.

The mods here are shit and you know what I'm gonna say it Catholics are delusional stuck up assholes worshiping a church of pedos I'm only saying this to anger the shit catholic protectionist mods

>>711509

Brother, do you love your enemies?

>>711511

Yes I do but I have a human tongue.

Are you gonna make another dis masked as piety? Think about how sinful that is.

>>711515

The Scripture says we must bring every thought into captivity. Had you brought your thoughts under the dominion of Christ, then Satan would not control your tongue.

Hate other people if you want, but don't think you can add one penny of treasure in heaven for your "works".

>>711519

Continue your insults with airs of piety and religious superiority I'm sure your God is loving it you surely arent literally using the lords name in vain.

>>711523

You think that I'm insulting you, but it's the Scripture that hurts your pride.

>>711525

My pride is not damaged cause I recognize your sickly misuse of scripture and your intention. You should surely stop this I worry for your soul.>>711525

>>711527

What is my intention?

>>711528

If your intention was not what I implied you wouldnt of bother to respond or you would lash out stating exactly what I'm implying. thanks for proving my point.

>>711531

What?

(((discord)))

Yeah I'm not sure if it's over-aggressive moderation or what but the board is clearly slowing down.

>>711285

Non-Catholics regularly get permanently banned for mildly disagreeing with Catholic doctrine.

>>711490

I've seen quite a few instances of Cathodox calling baptists and protestants non-Christians. Anyone who calls the Catholic church the whore of Babylon will be banned.

>>711429

>Alex

Actually I've been on and off here, did Alex say why he left?

>>711511

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>>711525

lol exactly this interaction see has the cathodox tries to slyly insult and call them not Christian and just gets exposed kekeke

re:Catholics considering others non-Christian

to be a Christian is simply to be baptized, that's it and why you don't have orthos/Catholics saying that to people because we have a very clear sacramental theology about how the sacrament of baptism, and any group who practices a valid baptism will consist of people who are Christians/sons of God.

Of course a key thing would be this in no way indicates "beliefs" as Christian, to be a Christian is to participate in the Body of Christ in his Church, they are all essentially heretical Catholics, their beliefs have nothing to do with being Christian and go against what would be considered Christian for the first 1400 years.

So non Catholics are Christian by virtue of their baptism, but that's it. Nothing about their ideas or beliefs are in anyway Christian. There is no such thing as "Christianism" as world view you get from reading scripture, people didn't die because they liked scripture and what it said, they died to protect the body of Christ in the Eucharist.

Christianity isn't a philosophy it's a body/institution/group of people and non-Catholics reject it, so they are Christian by virtue of their baptism, but all of their beliefs are anything but.

So you won't really ever have Catholics/orthos calling others non-Christians because we know they are chosen as God's children by virtue of their baptism. They might not say/or even be aware of course that that just means their judgement will be worse if they don't eventually repent.

It's better to die an unbaptized pagan then be baptized and reject Christ and they'll be mocked in hell and be punished greater for it. (best to repent and not go to hell of course though)

I can't say they aren't Christians though, but I'll always clearly say their beliefs/doctrines have nothing to do with Christianity.

>>711546

the difference is, if someone is at least adhering to the nicene creed, a Catholic can't say that they aren't Christian. That's our religion.

For a baptist, for many of them, it literally is their religion to call us pagans, and non christians and that the Catholic Church is the whore of babylon. This is their official doctrine and what their religion teaches them. There's a huge difference and that's why you see it so much. To teach that a baptized christian who adheres to the Nicene creed (which at least some protestants/baptists do) are not Christian is just against Church dogma, we can only be idiots by saying that. A baptist calling Catholics not christians and a pagan cult and that our church is the whore of babylon is for many baptists, them simply practicing their religion. This is why they are so hostile and so trash most of the time.

Catholic saying baptized person is not Christian = always bad catholic (speaking heresy to us)

Baptist calling Catholic a pagan, and that the Catholic church is the whore of babylon = many times just practicing their baptist religion.

and also it's virtually impossible to find out what each of these baptists believe. if i go to steven anderson's church, i have to believe that the words of bible is God. so i mean if someone following him goes and claims that, he's just following his religion.

for many baptists, following their religion is saying catholics are not christians, their religion is the worst cult in the world and that the church is the whore of babylon, the pope is the antichrist and so on. this is what their religion teaches them. they aren't being a bad baptist(or whatever denom), they're following their teachings.

a catholic saying a trinitarian baptized person isn't a Christian is 100% saying heresy always, they're not following the religion correctly.

>>711555

As I said though you can't leave out the fun part

that them being baptized unless they repent will be to their condemnation and just increase their suffering in hell.

Also someone being baptized in the trinity having no bearing on their actual beliefs/teachings or meaning those have anything to do with Christianity

>>711556

ya that is fine but that's why we aren't screaming around that they aren't christians and this and that. honestly baptists/prots are pretty brainwashed because it's in their name. they are raised to be anti-catholic. when i was growing up i didn't even know what the hell a protestant was.

i find it funny that baptists are whining about this when on literally every thread they show up trying to say whore of babylon don't pray to mary blah blah. i don't think they really practice a religion that's all they can think about, catholicism day and night.

>>711558

So did the mods successfully avoid all complaints and Catholics are all free of guilt cause the Baptist/prot strawman

>>711562

what

>>711558

Meanwhile the Catholics go on and on repeating that there is no salvation outside of their (Roman) Catholic Church (hierarchy). The Catholics are saying that all Protestants will go to Hell for not following the Pope.

>>711569

Why yes, Jesus Christ was obedient unto death so you can be disobedient unto death. Not.

>>711553

>the difference is, if someone is at least adhering to the nicene creed, a Catholic can't say that they aren't Christian. That's our religion.

Maybe that's official policy, but many Catholics on this board have said just that.

>For a baptist, for many of them, it literally is their religion to call us pagans, and non christians and that the Catholic Church is the whore of babylon. This is their official doctrine and what their religion teaches them. There's a huge difference and that's why you see it so much. To teach that a baptized christian who adheres to the Nicene creed (which at least some protestants/baptists do) are not Christian is just against Church dogma, we can only be idiots by saying that. A baptist calling Catholics not christians and a pagan cult and that our church is the whore of babylon is for many baptists, them simply practicing their religion. This is why they are so hostile and so trash most of the time.

Well you've lost a bit of nuance there. First of all just about every major denomination of protestants originally taught that the Catholic church was the prophetic whore of Babylon. You can look at Martin Luther, John Calvin, John Knox and so forth on down the line. Most of those churches have changed their position on this, although there are some hardliners who still cling to it. Well, the same is true for baptists. And in fact, even the most influential baptist on this board, Steven Anderson, does not teach that the Catholic church is the whore of Babylon, although in other ways he is much more anti-Catholic than the average modern protestant. But an additional point is, not everyone who believes the Catholic church is the whore of Babylon necessarily therefore considers all Catholics non-Christian or even unsaved. It is a prophetic identification of the institution, but sincere yet misled Christians could still belong to the church.

>>711555

>a catholic saying a trinitarian baptized person isn't a Christian is 100% saying heresy always, they're not following the religion correctly.

What difference does it make, if you give people the title 'Christian' but still think they're all heretics damned to hell who you have no common ground with and everything they believe is wrong? I mean it seems like you're patting yourself on the back for civility over a minor variation in how you express your vitriol.

>>711582

what's there to miss, you confirmed what i'm saying. a baptist calling the catholic church muh whore of babylon is practicing their religion. a catholic calling a protestant a non-christian isn't practicing their religion. that's the big difference.

the problem is americans

american catholics, american orthodox, american protestants.

you act like your reality shows on tv always screaming

>>711585

and also it's quite telling you don't even care about being called a christian.

another thing is catholics accept all trinitarian baptisms, how many protestant accepts baptisms from muh hoe of babilawn? how many oh i got rebaptized bs do we here?

stop trying to act like there are two sides to it. it's sour bitter bappies and prots always flinging mud, and the moment people actually call them out and expose their ridiculous beliefs and poor logic they just start crying.

>>711592

Consider the context; if one is not saved and is going to be damned to hell, the title of Christian avails them nothing.

>>711593

Many here consider just a plain statement of our beliefs to be flinging mud though. If I say I believe praying to saints is idolatry, and give an explanation for my beliefs, that is 'flinging mud'. But when you plainly state your beliefs, calling us damned heretics, of course that is not flinging mud. See the bias?

>>711285

I still lurk regularly, the thing is I have no good knowledge of theology and whatnots being discussed so regularly about so I held my silence. Still, I kind of wish we have threads about feels and things like when I first stumbled here. Lots of people were lost and asked for help and were pointed in the direction of Christ.

As far as "are heretics Christians" thing that everyone is concerned about presently, I personally put it in matters of degrees. The "zeroth" degree would be that which is within your own congregation or denomination, that which you find has the strongest traditions and interpretation of affairs, based from what is in the Bible, and what the apostles and the early church fathers wrote. You can be fairly assured that someone within your own group is on a path to salvation. However that does not guarantee salvation due to situational considerations, and possible corrupt communications or actions from clergy for whatever reason (and so on).

Afterwards you have the first degree of separation, schism. Basically there's largely similar or in fact the same traditions between a particular group, however a comparatively minor doctrine or interpretation issue, or even worldly situations like power politics or personality conflicts between laity or their shepherds have caused a split. Broadly speaking they will both begrudgingly admit they have more points of agreement than not but will speak to certain issues that put the other congregation at risk. They a both still Christian groups per se and may consider each other Christians, but the risk of error being spread has multiplied due to friction, disunity and the chance of further mutation of tradition down the road.

Next you have outright heresy. These would be very broad departures from tradition, for example Catholicism vs Protestantism. The interpretation of early history, apostolic succession, traditional variations such as the intercession of the dead and so on is heavily disputed. Very frequently you will see members of those groups, especially radicals, who will disclaim that those others are not Christian or even outright evil/Satanists for whatever reason (and sadly some enjoy this very last part). In actually, both groups are still Christian in the broadest sense of the word (using the basic litmus of belief in Christ as Messiah, Nicean Creed and Trinitarianism all being upheld), however that does not mean that invalidates the "narrow path" to salvation. Hence, the most concerning point of heresy; at least one of those groups have an exponentially greater risk of damnation due to profound distortion of doctrine. It may not be enough to blanket condemn a group, but there is a real fear that most members of one or the other groups are potentially doomed without immediate correction.

Finally, you have apostasy as the third utmost degree of divorce from Christ. These are pretty obvious cases of people are knee deep in it. These are active homosexuals, unrepentant abortionists, people who deny Christ or the Trinity. Non-Christian religions, atheists, and especially active Satanists (in particular the non-LARPing "spirit cooking" Satanists, as opposed to the kiddie kind that are edgy over their parents stable lives and listen to black metal at 3AM). These are explicitly positions that cannot be reconciled with the New Testament, or church father statements, even through radical interpretations. Not only is the chance of their salvation in that state practically zero percent, but some of these other groups attempt to bring spirits into this world (which under other reasonable expectations could be considered demons) and as such are active threats to mankind.

>>711582

>Steven Anderson, does not teach that the Catholic church is the whore of Babylon, although in other ways he is much more anti-Catholic than the average modern protestant.

Well, to be fair, he's pretty hard on any one who isn't him…

>>711599

I concur on this sentiment.

this board has become progressively worse since flags were removed and it won't improve until they are reinstated.

>>711570

Obedience to God vs. obedience to the human Bishop of Rome. Talk about apples and oranges. Even Catholics admit that some of the historical popes have been more than a little corrupt.

>>711593

Baptists don't accept even Protestant infant baptism as valid, but normal Protestants accept Catholic baptism. It's an issue with the quirky Baptist ideas of baptism, not Protestantism in general.

>>711596

no i don't because you bappies constantly come into threads about saints and our lady and just repeat your idiotic nonsense again and again. we get it, you guys are brainlets who can't understand understand basic things, you don't have to sperg out about it every single time when it doesn't concern you. thats why i seriously wonder if you guys practice religion at all or are just muh hoe of babilawn bots. we're here learning more about the faith, discussing matters etc, and all you guys seem to do is just copypasta some nonsense and thats it.

>>711609

God loves you my friend. He gave his only begotten son to suffer and die that all your sins, past, present, and future may be forgiven. But you have to trust in the words of God alone. Abraham believed what God told him, and it was counted to him as righteousness.

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>>711403

Well sorry anons, I have been banned, I can't participate. I posted about it in the meta.

>>711365

this. people post in them, then they get deleted and the duplicate with no responses gets to stay up.

>>711285

I can only speak for myself but the excessive amount of "memes", jokes, fighting, accusations, et cetera… are a big reason why I often just leave this place for weeks or months.

Yeah, maybe it would be consideren "dry" but I'd like to just have a place strictly for friendly inter- and intra-denominational discussions.

>>711285

Because Cathofag mods keep deleting posts that disagree with them.

>>711286

Always spread the word brother.

This board focuses more of the divisions that exist between Christians rather than focusing on our similarities. We should come together as believers of Christ in order to spread the gospel, rather than arguing over whose particular church is the best.

>>711610

God alone and my words saying how to mangle the words of God alone into only my new interpretation that the apostles and their disciplies didn't agree with. and Gods word alone and the word of other people who decided what was Gods words and what wasn't.

the absolute state of prots mental abilities. no wonder they're so frustrated. they can't put forward a single coherent argument so all they do is just whine and copy pasta. try finding a real religion.

>>711788

it's cause bappies can't take the fact that nothing of what they believe makes any sense and so they just have to run around like headless chickens clucking around about nothing. this board is absolutely triggering to them, because some logic is used and people aren't pushovers

>>711650

Pretty low tier reddit post not going to lie.

Too many concern trolls.

>>711286

Why do so many people think this is a bad idea?

It's like we forgot that /christian/ was born out of 4/pol/

>>711811

Meant to reply to:

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>>711791

What logic? All Catholics (and the Mormons I've spoken too, by the way) ever say is read James. I've read James, I've also read the rest of the Bible.

He that believeth the son hath everlasting life (John 3:36).

Here's a question, would you say you have everlasting life?

>>711293

Yeah, I was there when you got banned.

While you may have used that phrasing only once, you certainly went farther than you seem to want to admit, but hey, who am I to stand in the way of your tales.