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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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941ac2  No.711218

I'm making a new thread for this so that it will get more oxygen and people can contribute. This is a very basic rough draft of the first outline of this chart. This is meant to be like the start with the greeks/resume with the romans /lit/ charts. What input does /christian/ have here?

I am also the OP of >>711204 and that book is meant to be in the far left of the chart

941ac2  No.711219

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>>711218

This thread is also inspired by this thread

>>710885


941ac2  No.711298

>>711218

Alright, I'm looking for books to fill that red square. Basically I want it to be supplemental reading for the OT. A book that both serves as a history of the ancient kingdom and provides background to the books of the Old Testament. Here are some contenders I have found

>Asimov's Guide to the Bible: The Old Testament

>Sacred History, Sacred Literature: Essays on Ancient Israel, the Bible, and Religion

>Walther Eichrodt - The Theology of the Old Testament

>The Old Testament: A Historical, Theological, and Critical Introduction

Does /christian/ have any suggestions on what book should fill that red square?


f61bec  No.711300

On the Incarnation - Athanasius of Alexandria

On the Holy Spirit - Basil of Caesarea

On the Unity of Christ - Cyril of Alexandria

Tome of Leo - Leo of Rome

Disputations with Pyrrhus - Maximus of Constantinople

On the Divine Images - John of Damascus


941ac2  No.711301

>>711300

Those are for each council, right?


f61bec  No.711302

>>711301

yah exposition of doctrine that were adopted by the councils


f61bec  No.711305

>>711301

the 5th council doesn't really have a equivalent since its mostly a rehash of previous councils and a condemnation of elements of Origenism


941ac2  No.711309

So re: the Fathers, every book rec I see here is either not limited to the church fathers and includes a bunch of modern works with only a couple fathers, or it’s full on complete church fathers collections. What are the essential works of the church fathers? The one I know right now are

>>711300

Beyond these books that explain the theology of the councils, what are the main works to include?

>>711305

Does Disputations with Pyrrhus work as a fifth council book though?


0afe75  No.711310

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Here's probably the most authentic depiction of a Torah scroll written in a Paleo-Hebrew like script, matters of textual difference aside.


f61bec  No.711311

>>711309

>Beyond these books that explain the theology of the councils, what are the main works to include?

Out of all of them probably, 'On the Incarnation' imo

>Does Disputations with Pyrrhus work as a fifth council book though?

6th


941ac2  No.711313

Some suggestions: (copied this from an anon on /lit/

>Assorted NeoPlatonists + Plotinus

>Augustine, Confessions (maybe City of God?)

>Boethius, Consolations

>Pseudo-Dionysus, Corpus Dionysiacum

>Abelard, Assorted Works

>Anselm, Monologion + Proslogion

>Aquinas, Summa – or some condensation/replacement

>Pico della Mirandolla, Oration on the Dignity of Man

>Luther, Theses + Assorted Writings

>Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion

>Kierkegaard, Fear and Trembling

>Karl Barth, Church Dogmatics

Maybe Eriugena, Duns Scotus, Meister Eckhart, Hildegaard of Bingen, and assorted Papal works?


f8b94c  No.711319

>>711218

Historical background:

- Context of Scripture (Hallo)

- ANET and ANEP (Pritchard)

- Cambridge World Prehistory

- Encyclopedia of Ancient Christianity (Di Berardino)


177013  No.711322

>>711310

Is that Samaritan?


0afe75  No.711324

>>711322

Yeah apparently one used at or from Mount Gerizim.


83dc5f  No.711325

>>711300

That last one is heresy


941ac2  No.711327

>>711325

*anti-heresy


1a38db  No.711329

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f61bec  No.711331

>>711311

>>711309

>Beyond these books that explain the theology of the councils, what are the main works to include?

Well I could add 'An Exact Position of the Orthodox Faith' by John of Damascus its a synthesis of the theology of those books and some other elements by a Church Father himself. Basically a tl:dr.


83dc5f  No.711332

>>711327

Nope it's heresy

<Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.


f61bec  No.711335

>>711332

>An Exact Position of the Orthodox Faith

>Position

Exposition*


941ac2  No.711341

>>711332

I agree with that verse and the book. Maybe you should read it.

>>711329

>>711331

Thank you both very much


941ac2  No.711348

Should I start the thread with Mere Christianity? I'm thinking of doing so, as it's considered one of the easiest introductions to Christian theology and apologetics. Maybe including it as a "start here" point before leading into the Bible

Alternatively (cause I do like the idea of an easy to read "start here" point before you read such a massive and difficult work as the Bible), does anyone have any suggestions for something better than Mere Christianity?


941ac2  No.711357

Should I include Origen in this chart? He was very influential, but his views were later denounced as anathema


3251db  No.711379

>>711357

better stick with more orthodox people. although, st. thomas aquinas' catena auera (golden chain) does include origen as one of the commentators, but I guess Aquinas made sure to only include the orthodox stuff.

There are so many other people you could include other than origen first though


941ac2  No.711381

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>>711379

Here's what it looks like right now


941ac2  No.711385

>>711381

Right now, unless anybody speaks up, I'm gonna follow up the apostolic fathers with the apostolic constitutions. Do you guys think that's good?


3251db  No.711386

>>711381

personally I wouldn't actually recommend anyone to just read the bible alone, maybe a bible with commentary? The Catena Auera for the Four Gospels are pretty good, and then i've found there is Ancient Church Fathers Commentary, although I hear that it tends to exclude commentary that's too "catholic", but personally I would recommend some sort of Bible with commentary.


941ac2  No.711389

>>711386

The hope is that people won't read it without any commentary, that's why I recommend the other book for context.


51a972  No.711407

Just posting the ones I've read so far that I think are important, in no particular order:

1st and 2nd Apology, Dialogue with Trypho, On the Resurrection, Discourse to the Greeks, Address to the Greeks - St. Justin Martyr

Against Heresies - St. Irenaeus

On First Principal, Against Celsus - Origen

Stromata - Clement of Alexandria

On the Apostolic Tradition - Hippolytus

The Divine Institutes - Lactantius

Confessions, City of God, On the Trinity - St. Augustine

On the Priesthood, Homilies on the Gospel of Matthew, Homilies on the Gospel of John - St. John Chrysostom

The Sacred Writings of St. Jerome, Commentary on Daniel - St. Jerome

On God and Christ, The Five Theological Orations and Two Letters to Cledonius - St. Gregory of Nazianzus

On the Incarnation, Against the Heathens - St. Athanasius

On the Holy Spirit, On the Human Condition - St. Basil the Great

On the Trinity, On the Holy Spirit, On the Soul and Resurrection - St. Gregory of Nyssa

On the Mysteries and On Repentance, On the Holy Spirit - St. Ambrose

De Trinitae - St. Hilary of Poitiers

Book of Pastoral Rule - Pope St. Gregory the Great

On the Cosmic Mystery of Jesus Christ - St. Maximus the Confessor

On the Unity of Christ - St. Cyril of Alexandria

The Ladder of Divine Ascent - St. John Climacus

The Fount of Knowledge - St. John of Damascus


3251db  No.711410

>>711389

it's so much easier to actually recommend a bible with interline commentary though


340563  No.711413

>>711381

I recommend slightly larger pictures or typing the author/editor/series in the writeup. I can't see any of the details on "The Apostolic Fathers" and that's a pretty general title I imagine is used for a few different volumes.

I also recommend a general reading order for the Bible, eg. Gospels first, then letters, prophets, etc. That might even be worth a chart on its own if people want to get detailed enough.


19d5d3  No.711482

>>711381

Add Ecclesiactical History by Eusebius and the First and Second Apologies of Justin Martyr


941ac2  No.711560

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>>711407

Thank you

>>711410

I wanted to leave Bible choice up in the open, cause if I come out swinging for one I know it'll cause shitflinging

>>711413

That's partly due to my crummy software, unfortunately. No matter what I do, once I transform the images they get and janky and weird. It might be best if, once I'm done, some other Christanon with photoshop go through and fix the book covers

>>711482

Added

I'm going to bed, sleep tight

This is just for my own memory, in case I forget tomorrow. The font is Karla size 36 and the draft is in my downloads folder.


941ac2  No.711561

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Actually, since I haven't gone right to bed yet, I'm gonna float this by /christian/: are there some writers I should just put "complete works" for? Cause I'm thinking of doing that with a few, especially Augustine. I probably will in the description say "the essentials are…" but I have trouble fitting a bunch of squares in for each individual work. I think that's no problem cause the start with the Greeks thread does that, listing Plato's and Aristotle's complete works


d68803  No.711581

>>711561

That should be okay, especially with the Saints of the 4th and 5th centuries since they wrote volumes upon volumes of texts.


f61bec  No.711644

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bb7491  No.711652

>>711560

Hmm… i don’t know if this is too high a level for an introductory reading list, but maybe put in the Ladder of Divine Ascent after the Desert Fathers, and if it’s going to be divided up by Traditions, the Philokalia further down in the Orthodox section. If not, i don’t really know a place for it, but I’m sure you can work it out.


f8b94c  No.711883

>>711560

why did you ignore these recommendations for historical context?

>>711319




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