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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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1e6bef  No.711100

Rad trad's say it was the great apostasy, and the direction the church took after was undeniably bad. I think that it wasn't Vatican II, but the modern world itself. See Vatican II was the church responding to the changing times, and I personally believe that it was a necessary part of God's plan for a great revival of Christendom to bring all easterners and prots back into the one holy and apostolic fold, but things have seemingly gotten out of control. The premises of Vatican II are important, but it's yet to be executed correctly. The great apostasy? I'm not sure about that.

54e63a  No.711124

>>711100

>Vatican II was the church responding to the changing times

Except God and Jesus are both unchanging.

Why do you think that the church should've changed?

If an age is becoming degenerate, the church shouldn't go along with it. It should fight to stop it.


d94775  No.711132

>>711124

>Except God and Jesus are both unchanging.

>Why do you think that the church should've changed?

Explain the change of the early church, with its clear jewish elements to the more "modern"/"popular" roman church.

The catholic church inherits many elements of the roman society which elements and ideologys existed before christ was born.

According to your logic the roman church (vatican 1" is just as much a "degenerate" as vatican 2 is


54e63a  No.711136

>>711132

Why am I supposed to explain that?


7116be  No.711139

>>711100

>but things have seemingly gotten out of control.

Judge them by their fruits.


0674bc  No.711143

>>711132

>According to your logic the roman church (vatican 1" is just as much a "degenerate" as vatican 2 is

Did Vatican 1 Popes pray with heretics? Did they say 'who am I to judge' to gay people? (inb4 not ex cathedra)


3ff135  No.711212

>>711143

Wasn't John XII a fornicator and accused of sacrilege some even saying he did shit with women inside a church?

Everything a pope does is infallible guys.

There's no pope since John XII then.


a24c19  No.711214

>>711100

50 years later the Vatican is decadent like in the Renaissance and a den of the worst faggotpedos.

It's all you need to know. We must undo everything that came out of the Council.


b4db10  No.711235

Are you the sede spammer? How long are you going to keep making these threads?


12eaf3  No.711282

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>>711100

It's not possible to have an accurate view of the council without taking into account the many different groups involved and their various, mostly incompatible, hopes and intentions. You have on the good side those faithful Catholics and those less faithful, though no less well-intentioned, liberals and modernists. On the bad side you have those ill-intentioned liberals and modernists, who are effectively the fellow travelers of the Church's true enemies, rabid secularists (both liberals and socialists) and the Jews. Among this mix the meaning of the council is to be found.

These are an interesting read about the history leading up it, mostly from the view of the good side:

http://www.christendom-awake.org/pages/trower/turmoil&truth.htm

http://www.christendom-awake.org/pages/trower/cc&cf/cc&cf-contents.htm


12eaf3  No.711283

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6a180d  No.711575

>>711212

>Everything a pope does is infallible guys.

The only people who believe that are cultural Catholic grey haired old ladies. If it's not a careful pronouncement on upholding Christian tradition (ie: "muh ex catherdra" as you'd likely put it) then it has about as much weight as a midget in a tossing contest.

For example, any Catholic can say without issue that the Pope's preferred method for immigrant charity is out to lunch. No problem at all with it. Or if the Pope says to fix an old wooden chair that you have to "replace the solenoids", you can smile and escort him to a place to rest while you get a hammer to put new nails in the chair's leg.

Likewise it is also licit under particular circumstances to suggest the Pope resign, as Cardinal Burke has recently said. Even via Wikipedia you can find instances of people screaming at Popes; for example modernists were right in Paul VI's face with bulging veins as soon as Humane Vitae dropped. Nowadays traditionalists are more measured otherwise but are nearly openly dismissive of Francis.

So, no, this "infallible in all circumstances thing" is a complete myth generated by people inside and outside the Roman sphere who have a tendency to gloss over details. Its makes about sense with any serious research as conflating IFB autism over the "KJV Bible = God Himself" as being 1:1 with sola scriptura.


d436d1  No.712026

>>711132

God doesn't change, but the collective awareness of the body and bride of Christ (the church) does change. We become more aware of the nature of God through life's mysteries.




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