/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

>>709585

Because dressing and acting sexually immodest is PUBLIC, ANIMALISTIC,EASILY AVOIDED, and DESTROYS THE FABRIC OF SOCIETY

>>709590

But every vice is destroying society. I am not even against what you are saying but I find it weird how much of an obsession people seem to have about it.

>>709593

It’s public, easily avoided, yet extremely common. It’s a litmus year for a society.

Once sexual immorality is common, it’s bottoms up.

>>709601

Litmus test*

>>709601

This. All sexually "liberated" nations fall. This degeneracy shows fully that the nations where they are present are collapsing.

Because sexual immorality is not only accepted by today's society, but the mere notion of chastity as a virtue is met with mockery or outright hostility.

Society is far less tolerant of some other sins, like murder or theft.

>>709638

>The mere notion of chastity as a virtue is met with mockery or outright hostility.

Is it so? I have told no one of my chaste lifestyle, but I would not expect a negative reaction from most people, whether it be amused or hostile.

It seems that sexual depravity is the most insidious vice. Everyone knows that substance abuse, violence, and dishonesty are harmful, as their negative effects can be immediately seen.

But fornication, adultery, lust, are easier to rationalize. With popular culture worshiping capital-S Science, people (especially the young and impressionable, who are already going to be sexually and likely spiritually frustrated) are bombarded with claims that "it's just natural bro, it doesn't hurt anyone". And since there's no immediate evidence of a negative effect, it's easy to believe that.

Even among Christians, it's easy to use some idiotic reasoning to pretend it's not sinful. I used to watch porn and jack off regularly, and I'd tell myself that it's not as bad as fornicating, or that nobody involved was getting hurt since they consented to it, etc.

The effects are much more slow-burning than other vices. As Augustine said, indulgence becomes habit, and habit becomes necessity.

Addiction to sexual degeneracy dehumanizes others, reverts oneself to base physical hunger, and cripples the development of any love and enlightenment that have been developing via virtuous living.

A sinister and creeping problem needs to be wrenched from society more urgently than one still considered by "common sense" to be bad.

>>709640

I think so. "Virgin" is widely used as an insult towards young men, and many people always speculate that male virgins are either "closeted homosexuals" or "creepy incels". Even (((academia))) promotes (((sexual liberation))) as a positive trend and paints anyone who thinks otherwise as "living in the middle ages".

The hostility is mainly from feminists and homosexuals, whenever someone points out the immorality of female immodesty or sodomy. Some places are even considering outlawing "mysoginist" or "homophobic" discourse as "hate speech".

>>709647

Then I prefer history reports me as a faggot or an incel if I remain celibate than a fornicator.

winnie the pooh this gay world damn it.

My only problem is why do they almost force people to sin? If they wanted to be fornicators themselves let them winnie the pooh themselves in hell.

But they want to force as this shit down out throats.

Thank God I missed my shot when I was a teen. Thank you God very much.

>>709585

>>709656

If your saying that we should choose our battles then id agree. I think we could focus on the weak spots of this culture. Regarding sex, everyone will of course cringe at no sex before marriage but I think we could put forward a good case against liberal sex/promiscuity. Its clear that many people, women in particular, attach great significance to sex, indeed if it were meaningless why take issue with objectification ect ect (you've heard it all before). We could show that it is this mistake that has lead to many of their problems and this notion that we can somehow make liberal sex less harmful its a sheer fantasy < if we get to that stage, which I think we can , THEN our message against fornication may be able to make a landing, < rising criticism of porn in the secular realm give me cause for optimism. and there does seem to be a resistance by certain sectors of society to transgenderism,

BUT if you are saying we should give up preaching biblical morality then that would be point blank betrayal of our lord. not happening.

Because most people, even christian, struggle with sexual immorality.

I have no doubt that 99% of this board reject basic materialism, that they aren't glutonous, have faith, etc.

However, I can also say for a certainty, than for two anons visiting this board, one of them has winnie the poohed up fetishes he is struggling with. That's how bad sexual immorality is.

Also this >>709643

>>709664

>BUT if you are saying we should give up preaching biblical morality then that would be point blank betrayal of our lord. not happening.

Far from me from saying just stupidity anon. This worlds makes as want to quit but that's just what the devil wants.

>>709585

Given how many sexual temptations are present in modern society and how hard it is to keep lust out of your mind, dressing like a thirsty THOT is a really good way to lead dozens of men every day into the sin of masturbation. We have a nofap thread that's more active than just about any other thread, but we don't have a drug thread, lying thread, etc.

>>709585

Because if you haven't realised from the nofap threads, if you can get a person to masturbate they are incredibly easy to control and therefore coerce into other sins, not to mention the slow radicalisation that inevitably comes with sexually being so widespread.

There is a reason the Talmundists mass broadcast pornography when they invaded Palestine

>>709640

I don't know the people around you of course but I wouldn't be surprised if even friends react with a sort of amused condescension at best. Society expects you to be promiscuous and if you're a man the number of times you've fornicated is frequently used as a measure of your success.

>>709585

Society doesn't really glorify many of the other vices. Maybe gluttony with an emphasis on consumption. The sexual revolution was absolutely devastating to our culture though, the birth rate went through the floor because having a stable relationship and raising a family ceased to be a life goal, instead hookup culture turned the sexual act into nothing more than a pastime

http://www.traditionalcatholicpriest.com/2017/09/23/impurity-st-alphonsus/

Good sermon on it

Lust is what damns the most people, leads most people into sin, and is the easiest to fall to.

The hatred which God bears to sins against purity is great beyond measure. If a lady find her plate soiled she is disgusted, and cannot eat. Now, with what disgust and indignation must God, who is Purity itself, behold the filthy impurities by which his law is violated? He loves purity with an infinite love; and consequently he has an infinite hatred for the sensuality which the lewd, voluptuous man calls a small evil. Even the devils who held a high rank in heaven before their fall disdain to tempt men to sins of the flesh.

3. St. Thomas says (lib. 5, de Erud. Princ., c. li.), that Lucifer, who is supposed to have been the devil that tempted Jesus Christ in the desert, tempted him to commit other sins, but scorned to tempt him to offend against chastity. Is this sin a small evil? Is it, then, a small evil to see a man endowed with a rational soul, and enriched with so many divine graces, bring himself by the sin of impurity to the level of a brute?”Fornication and pleasure,” says St. Jerome, ”pervert the understanding, and change men into beasts.”

Can I propose a different line of thought?

What if it's another deception?

What if the adversary is pushing sexuality because it's so visible?

By focusing the attention of well-meaning christains on sexual deviance, we're distracted from thoughtless and gratifying sins.

Greed. Wrath. Pride.

Cruelty, selfishness, and intolerance. To use modern descriptors.

Not to say I'm any better. Lustful as they come.

But obsessing about that as a failure became a shield. I deluded myself into thinking it was my only sin. Or, in the least, the worst.

By the same token, I've met many who proport to following The Lord. But they use the church as an excuse to congregate and act upon their hatred. Or to gossip, and condemn others while cultivating unentitled superiority.

>>709585

If lust controls you, the evil ones who provide for your lusts are your masters. I have no interest in becoming a slave.

>>709791

It’s easier to quit dressing like a whore than it is to quit gossiping.

>>709721

>if you can get a person to masturbate they are incredibly easy to control and therefore coerce into other sins

How does that work?

>>709810

firstly one sin leads to another, secondly masturbation leads to decreased motivation and energy, which means people are less likely to try change their situation that they are in.

>>709585

>Why is that?

Because it's the continuation of the species, its corruption, and the defilement of male and female relations around sexual intercourse.

This is basic biology, bro.

>>709709

I tried making a drug/alcohol thread. I was ridiculed for including the former option. "hurr durr people drank alcohol in the Bible so derp it's not a sin". Yes this is true but ABUSE of alcohol is as much a sin as doing drugs is. It didn't even have a chance to take off, and I know it could as I'm sure I'm not the only one who has struggled with these sins. This board seriously pisses me off sometimes, there's no Christian brotherhood or camaraderie here it's just shitposting and accusations of heresy/unorthodoxy from every angle. I seriously don't know why I come here any more.

Sage for offtopic rant. I don't know how to fix these problems in society except through prayer, and I'm ashamed to admit I don't pray for our culture to get better.

>>709810

People either blackmail or shame you into doing worse. You'd have to see it for yourself.

>>709810

Controlling someone through their lusts and sexual disorders is pig easy. For example:

>we, the government of California, are going throw babies in ovens to power your house cheaply

<oh wow that sounds evil, you are leftists and even though I'm gay I'm going to vote against you next election

>if you do the right will enact laws that will make it harder for you to have sex with other men during the day in the local park

<oh, well, light those kids up then

That's not exactly masturbation related, but similar tacks can be taken. If you give J/O enthusiasts a constant stream of stimulation, that's basically saturating them with dopamine all the time. That's enough to keep most people docile. Even better, in some people it winnie the poohs up the internal structure of their brain, so then then develop bizarre kinks…which you then cater to as a matter of public policy if there's enough of them that they are politically useful. Then the above gay/baby scenario we have above plays out all over again but with a few changed words.

For some people, sex is their own personal Jesus (to quote an 80s song). Which is a terrible thing, since that divorces them from the real, universal one that will save them.