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>>709468

>we all can work togrther for a better future

He says while Israel continues to scheme over how to displace and remove the native Christians and give their lands and homes to Jews

>>709468

>the thing which irks me the most and i want to debate about is the notorious accusations that the jews killed christ and they are guilty of it to this very day.

Then why are jews anti Logos and spiritually kill Jesus to this day?

>>709468

>the idea that this vile man would suddenly yield to a jewish crowd that demands death of someone who deems innocent is outrageous

Why? At the time his position with the Caesar was bad and if another riot broke out due to the Jews, that would be another black mark on his record. He had his own self interest out here.

>not a single jew would ever want their children to carry the burden of their sins

>god himself states that people will never be punished for the crimes of their fathers

That is correct, I think I wouldn't want to taint my children in sin either.

That being said, according to what I've read over here, Jews think that Jesus Christ was a blasphemer and that their judgement was correct. So it should be clear that the jews in that verse did not think they were committing any sin, but rather proud of it.

Okay, I'm a Jewish Christian, so I know my stuff here, and OP is full of pilpul.

>Pilate as cruel man

He was a Roman governor that governed like any other Roman governor of the time. Just because he killed Jews doesn't mean he was any more "vile" than the governors that saw the deaths of other conquered peoples. In fact, we get the view from the Bible that Pilate was not very interested in dealing with the situation the Jews presented him here, and he actually handled himself with a lot of tact given the historical tension between Romans and conquered peoples, but especially with Jews who tend to be some of the most stubbornly nationalistic people to have ever lived. The gospels illustrate Pilate as a man of process, who followed the standard process expected of a man with judicial authority, and the process found that Jesus was innocent of the accusations the Jews brought against Him.

>blood guilt

This is a spiritual sin that has been passed down from generation to generation of Jews because every new generation of practicing Jew follows the tradition of Judaism that evolved out of the Pharasaic branch, which has codified in the Talmud the doctrine that Jesus Christ, the Son of God - the very same God you claim to worship - is burning in excrement in hell. Not only have you sinned gravely in the eyes of God by rejecting YOUR OWN GOD'S Son, you also continue to practice a corrupted faith that declares that your own God's Son burns in hell. Even pagan heresies did not rise to that level of betrayal of their own deities. You may not have physically killed Jesus, but in spirit you have already done so. If you were present in the time of Jesus, you would have been among the crowd calling for His crucifixion.

But don't let that stop you from believing in His Name. Even Talmudic Jews can repent and believe in Jesus Christ, and be given eternal life. God's wrath endures for generations, but He is quick to forgive. You know this from the history of our people, who sinned again and again and again against God, but always found forgiveness in atonement. God will write righteousness on your heart should you repent and believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and Lord.

>>709468

>he was notorious for ordering his legionaries to assault jewish protests, to beat and and even kill the protestors.

Because they threatened Roman sovereignty in the province

>the idea that this vile man would suddenly yield to a jewish crowd that demands death of someone who deems innocent is outrageous

One more rebellion and Caesar would put him to the sword

>furthermore, he absolute power in Judeah only he could carry out a death sentance. no one else

He did not hold exclusive power. The king and the sanhedrin had soldiers. And again, he gave them what they demanded to avert a rebellion

>the idea that Pilate would find Jesus innocent is absurd as well.

What's really absurd is you think you can convince us Jews dindu nuffin just by calling scripture absurd

>Pilate didn't hesitate to kill those who got in him and his greed's way

How did Jesus do that again? I don't seem to recall all those times He ran afoul of the Romans, I think it was always the Jews getting pissed at Him

>Jesus was a clear threat to him as he was anounced as "king of the jews"

John 18:33-37

>the corruption in the temple

The corruption didn't have to do with Pilate, it had to do with the pharisees, aka the JEWS

>not a single jew would ever want their children to carry the burden of their sins.

They didn't consider it a sin, what are you retarded?

>so please there is no need for hatred between us

But you're completely unrepentant for the sin of God's blood. The whole point of this thread is a red herring to justify the murder of the Lord. You've yet to advance an alternative or even deny the Jews were responsible.

>we all can work togrther for a better future

There is no better future apart from the gospel of Jesus Christ. Convert schlomo, or God's curses against your people for their apostasy will not cease

Can't you people argue without hostilities?

>>709484

>Can't you people argue without hostilities?

>new poster, first day

>>709484

1. Where do you think you are?

2. Repent.

3. If you can't repent, go back to reddit.

>>709485

I'm posting here for two years already

>>709486

get off from your prelest.

I didn't think it was possible to fit that much pilpul into a single post.

Congratulations OP, now come to accept Jesus as your savior.

>>709488

Hello (1) and done, we have IDs here.

>>709468

>talmudic speculation intensifies

You people have no honor so co-operation isn't only undesirable, but downright insane.

>one post by this ID

>>709490

you…do realize that proxies change here, right?

>>709494

>claims changing proxies

>gets old ID back

You're really bad at lying. Lying is a sin, anon.

>>709495

>>709490

IDs change from thread to thread. Also, in a <20 post thread, some (1)s are expected.

>>709468

Being Jewish = blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

Repent or you will burn in Hell for all Eternity.

>>709497

I don't think it is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. That was a more specific thing Jesus pointed out that particular Pharisees did. But being a non-Christian Jew is blasphemy against the Son, and God will forgive the repentant for that. The blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is unforgivable, on the other hand.

You got blown out quickly. Where are your rebuttals?

>>709468

>i also know most christians are intelligent and compassionate so i hope this debate will go smoothly without vulgarity or vile generalizations

What a classic, two-faced Jewish sentence; "I know most blacks are a smart and peaceful people, so I hope I don't get insulted or murdered when walking by them.".

Don't twist words. Speak honestly about your feelings towards Christians.

>for a long time a considered christians to be our comrades and friends, especially when fighting against the menace of islam

Yes, many Christians were subverted into fighting and dying in wars to expand the territory of a Christ-denying people. Many still are.

"Israel is a tiny nation full of white Christians that's being persecuted by the surrounding Muslim nations", my Boomer father used to tell me. Like other pro-Jew Christians, I have the feeling he knows nothing about Judaism.

>the thing which irks me the most and i want to debate about is the notorious accusations that the jews killed christ and they are guilty of it to this very day

It's spelled out in the scripture, my friend. You know, the scripture your ancestors rejected and the scripture you reject to this very day? The blood will be on your hands as long as you deny Christ.

Stop following your false religion - which is the equivalent of a child not getting their way, throwing a tantrum, and writing mean things about their parents in a scrapbook their parents gave them - and repent.

>>709507

He needs to ask his imam friend for help. Give him a few minutes.

>>709468

Respectfully: turn from your worship of the created and worship Our Creator, Our Holy Father in heaven. Leave the synagogue of Satan. Take as many "jews" with you as you can, turn as many to the light as possible.

>>709468

>>709468

>Jew here, im up for respectful debate

Antisemitism has no disadvantages for humans (which jews are not), only advantages.

Philosemitism has no advantages for humans, only disadvantages.

>>709543

They're still descended from Adam, and therefore human. See: the Bible. OP is still being deceptive, though.

>>709543

>(which jews are not)

As much as I want to believe this, Jews who legitimately convert to Christianity are our brothers in Christ. I still don't want them living in our nations, but would support them in making Jerusalem Christian again.

>One and done

Eyup

>>709472

>>Israel continues to scheme over how to displace and remove the native Christians and give their lands and homes to Jews

BULL S**T! we do not displace anyone. especially christians who enjoy our protection.

>>709474

>jews spiritually killed christ

what is this crass and arrogant strawman? not accepting him as a lord-and-savior instantly is considered as bad as killing him?

this is bogus

>>709476

>Why? At the time his position with the Caesar was bad and if another riot broke out due to the Jews, that would be another black mark on his record. He had his own self interest out here

WRONG.

A. Pilate governed over Judeah AFTER ceaser was killed. they had no relations at all.

Caesar died in 44.BC Pilate ruled over Judea from 36-26 BC.

also, there were no jewish riots prior. jewish resentment of roman rule only started with Pilate.

>That being said, according to what I've read over here, Jews think that Jesus Christ was a blasphemer and that their judgement was correct

according to Judaism, jesus was indeed a blasphemer. bible clearly dictates that there is only ONE god. jesus claiming he is the son of god is 100% blasphemy and goes completely against the old testament.

although according to historic texts I read. he never considered himself as son of god. that's something that his followers were saying.

so I doubt if he truly was a blasphemer. because he deeply cared for the jewish people.

>>709614

>what is this crass and arrogant strawman?

>He says as he strawmans

and no. rejecting Jesus as my lord and savior doesnt' make me an evil heretic.

I can recognize his contribution to the world without worshipping him like a pegan god.

I did not ask him to get crucified for me 2000 years ago.

god explicity states that he is merciful and forgiving.

i do not need jesus because i can pray directly to god to have my sins forgiven, because god knows i will try to not do them again and that i am a flawed human

>>709617

>God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.

>>709614

>Pilate governed over Judeah AFTER ceaser was killed. they had no relations at all.

Holy shit, you actually are retarded

>>709614

Okay you really lost it there buddy.

>jesus claiming he is the son of god is 100% blasphemy and goes completely against the old testament.

If the Trinity is blasphemy then explain Judges 3:10:

"The Spirit of the Lord came upon him and he judged Israel"

You mean the lord came over to judge Israel?

Also, double wammy: This is a passage of God judging Israel for being unfaithful

>although according to historic texts I read

Oh great.

>>709614

>BULL S**T! we do not displace anyone.

lol…

https://interactive.aljazeera.com/aje/2017/50-years-illegal-settlements/index.html

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-map-of-israeli-settlements-that-shocked-barack-obama

>>709614

>I’ve been here for two years

>BULL S**T

>WRONG

>bogus

You sound new to me

I never saw Pilate as an innocent. His washing his hands of Christ's execution is hypocritical and cowardly since he still had the Romans crucify him. Also if Pilate was so vindictive towards Jews, and the bulk of Jewish leaders hated Christ, consider that he may have acted as if he liked Christ simply to irk the other Jews. The same reason he ordered a sign be placed over the cross declaring Christ 'king of the Jews', to the Jews' chagrin. In modern parlance we would call that an 'epic troll'.

The Jews calling for Christ's blood to be on their children is only calling for a sin to be passed on to their children if you believe killing Christ was a sin. But they did not believe it to be a sin, as they thought he was a wicked sorceror. Anyway it doesn't matter what the Jews said, Biblically God does not curse infinite generations of a people for their ancestors' misdeeds, even if their ancestors requested it. I do not think Jews are under a curse. God views them like any other nation with respect to salvation. He is certainly glad when they convert, due to their former favored status.

>>709468

>Pilate is widly known as a cruel, corrupt and vinicitive Roman prefect. he was notorious for ordering his legionaries to assault jewish protests, to beat and and even kill the protestors.

>the idea that this vile man would suddenly yield to a jewish crowd that demands death of someone who deems innocent is outrageous

Pilate was indeed cruel at the beginning, so the Jews complained to governor of Syria who then reported him to Caesar Tiberius. After that Pilate mellowed considerably because he was treading on very thin ice.

>>709614

>Pilate governed over Judeah AFTER ceaser was killed

Caesar is a title, not a name. I thought Jews were supposed to be smart?

>>709617

>i do not need jesus because i can pray directly to god to have my sins forgiven, because god knows i will try to not do them again and that i am a flawed human

Are you a Jew? I ask because you don't have the same ID as the OP. If so, you have a very poor understanding of how atonement works according to your own religion's doctrine in the Torah. If not, you're literally NPC-tier in religious education. Also, here:

>god knows i will try to not do them again and that i am a flawed human

You contradict yourself. If you are a flawed human, then you will sin again. That is why we need Jesus. With the shedding of Jesus's blood and justifying faith in Him, the rules of atonement are eternally satisfied and you will be forgiven.

>>709468

>Christkiller shilling intensifies.

Stop blaspheming against the Holy Spirit. Accept Jesus Christ as a messiah or you are going to burn in hell for eternity.

>Discussion

After experiences from Russia and Eastern Europe for 100 years, no thanks.

For Christians out here: Read A. Solzhenistyn, Learn about Holodomor

>>709617

>rejecting Jesus as my lord and savior doesnt' make me an evil heretic.

It does

>>709556

It has never worked in history but yeah…perhaps you're the elected one to do the job.

kek

Won't happen.

Stop shilling and most importantly stop swearing. This is a Christian board. Nobody is interested in your degraded language.

>>709854

meant for

>>709614

>>709617

>and no. rejecting Jesus as my lord and savior doesnt' make me an evil heretic

Literally anti-christ lol

>>709468

>mathew 27:25

>>And all the people answered, d“His blood be on us and eon our children

>again. as someone who knows history of the jewish people. this scripture makes no sense.

>A. not a single jew would ever want their children to carry the burden of their sins. not. a single. one.

>there is not a single moment in history or jewish literature where a jews says that they are ok with guilt of their sins to be passed down to future genarations. except this one scripture.

Are you by chance implying we should not believe the apostles? Because you seem to say St. Matthew lied when writing it.

>>709503

This

>>709929

yes this is exactly what im saying.

historical documents and contradict these time and time again

>>709889

Why aren't there any St. John Chrysostom quotes in this image? He wrote the definitive Christian writing against the Jews.

You're not a jew, kike.

reminder

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_curse

>>709949

>>710199

History is hard, i know. Go on and play with your crayons

>>709468

Sadly, this thread didn't go over so calmly but I wanted to point something out. You seem fixated on this blood guilt because you seem to see it as the primary source of Jewish persecution, but this is in error. The causes of such persecution have had very little to do with this, which is simply a red herring. Also, obviously, whether it truly became a real live curse would not be up to any Christian to decide. I think >>709480 has it right.

>>710253

The apostles didn't lie. They were there and were witnesses to those events. The jews distorted the truth about Jesus' miracles and they do it now (i am talking about you).

This will be funny.

What else did the apostles lie about? Come on. What other lies do those stupid christians believe?

>>710286

distorted Jesus' miracles then and they do it now….

Hyrcanus and Aristobulus both in their own way tried to cozy up to the parthians. Herod did nothing wrong! Make Iudaea Roman again!

T. Flavius Iuvenus Romanus

>>709468

The understanding presented on good friday anymore is that we all killed him, and this is a fundamental thing to understand when considering vicarious atonement. When christ crucified says "forgive them, for they know not what they do", he speaks not only of the romans or the jews, but to all men in all places as well, just as when he is offered at golgotha he is also offered on every altar in all places and all times.

The jews condemned him, pilate a roman mocked him cynically, likely ethic greek roman auxilliae beat him…

We all killed christ.

Jewish deicide isnt a modern reason to get angry at you lot. Youre a competing religion, and zionist politics hurt the arab churches in palestine. Those two points alone constitute the root of anti-judaism.