Can anyone explain to me how these verses work in tandem? It seems as if there are contradictions. Matthew 7:7>Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.Matthew 7:8>For everyone who asks rec

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Christanon 09/30/18 (Sun) 10:06:46 24ed12 No.708754

Can anyone explain to me how these verses work in tandem? It seems as if there are contradictions.

Matthew 7:7

>Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.

Matthew 7:8

>For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.

Matthew 7:21

>Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

Here is the breakdown IMO.

If you:

Ask → given

knock → opened

But, also

if jesus:

says no to you → not given

I left out the word seek, because that is not mentioned in 7:21, the word used is "says" "who says to me". And I believe that is referring to asking/knocking.

thanks.

Christanon 09/30/18 (Sun) 10:19:15 24ed12 No.708758

And I can see the argument for this meaning that only those who do gods work will enter, hence "but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven"

But, why have 7:7/8 if you are going to change the precedent in 7:21?

Christanon 09/30/18 (Sun) 10:35:37 a327eb No.708760

Asking denotes desire of mind, seeking - of will. But not to give rise to dead faith, which have no charity and bears no fruit, Our Lord says that asking and seeking have to be knocking too - an action, namely doing the Will of th Father - keeping comandments, living out gospel, works of mercy, keeping duties - in one word being charitable.

For without faith it is imposible to please God but faith without works anvileth not.

Eventually, read Haydock and/or a Lapide.

Christanon 09/30/18 (Sun) 10:56:38 24ed12 No.708764

>>708760

that didnt answer my question. and im not going to read another book. theres 3 sentences or so here that are clear contradictions. can you maybe summarize what this other book you are talking about says?

Christanon 10/01/18 (Mon) 12:45:36 df6faf No.709114

>>708764

If you are inable to understand the basic idea being conveyed in sentences and say they are equal because someone used the same word twice, you are ignorant not only because of your limited mind, bit your perverse intent

Christanon 10/01/18 (Mon) 13:40:42 ead194 No.709130

>>708754

>>708764

>>ask

>>knock

This is referring to earnest seekers, who are trying know themselves and their relation to God, in time they will find what they seek.

>but also "Lord Lord" – not given

this refers to people who assume they have "found" and so call Jesus "Lord" yet they are missing something, namely good fruits, and they are missing this because they have only found a name and not a living faith.

Anyone can agree to historic facts about Christ and even call on him, but that doesn't mean they were earnest seekers who follow his teachings.

Christanon 10/01/18 (Mon) 14:32:28 fa0d99 No.709141

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>>708754

>mfw no one has answered this one

>Can anyone explain to me how these verses work in tandem? It seems as if there are contradictions

>Oh noes, you've caught us out in a lie, great and fabled atheistbro. Oooooh, noooeeesss, how will we ever recover …?

Is that what you wanted to read?

This is why you have to read the WHOLE Bible to understand it.

And you have to read Mt 7:21 in context: about specifically what is He referring? Refer sheep and goats.

Christanon 10/01/18 (Mon) 14:42:40 1b0ad8 No.709145

>first two cited verses

In context of prayer.

>last one

In context of saving faith and demonstrating genuine faith through good works.

There, done. Next thread.

Christanon 10/01/18 (Mon) 16:20:34 2da539 No.709164

Have you tried reading Matthew 7:9-20?

Christanon 10/01/18 (Mon) 18:49:43 0a12fe No.709188

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>>709145

This.

Christanon 10/01/18 (Mon) 22:55:38 24ed12 No.709254

>>709130

>>709145

so, it seems that what you are saying is that some words in the bible aren't literal, and have some inference, while others don't and are meant as is. how do you come to this conclusion?

>>709141

>Oh noes, you've caught us out in a lie, great and fabled atheistbro. Oooooh, noooeeesss, how will we ever recover …

not what i said at all.

Christanon 10/02/18 (Tue) 00:14:46 514a0a No.709277

>>709254

Read the whole NT.

The context isn't that hard to interpret. Dont snipe verses out of context.

If you find a difficult section look up early church fathers, they often answer such questions and set a precedent.

Not all who call Jesus Lord Lord get saved but those who do the will of the father.