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I've been looking for 6 months now. I blame HR departments.

Why get a job? Why don't you devote your life to Christ and join a Friary or Monastery?

Well, the first thing to do is to pray and to offer your sufferings to God.

On a temporal level, however, I ask you the following:

What kind of jobs did you apply to?

Before going NEET, did you go to college, practice anything or enrolled into some course to teach you any skills?

Do you have any ideas on possible causes for the employer to reject you?

Do you have anybody who could support you in case you decided to enroll into some classes to teach you more marketable skills, assuming one of the causes of your rejections was a perceived lack fo those?

I think those are important questions in order to provide meaningful advice.

>>708402

>blaming others for your shortcomings

great mentality.

>>708408

>can't be a devoted christian unless youre a monk

no

>>708401

God helps those who help themselves, when it comes to practical, external matters you really need to hit the pavement and be pragmatic. If you're unemployed your "full time job" is seeking employment, should be doing that 8hours a day at least.

>>708413

>can't be a devoted christian unless youre a monk

I didn't even imply that. The guy is having trouble finding employment to the point where he's contemplating suicide, I'm simply pointing out there are many vocations available where he doesn't need to worry about finding employment at all.

>>708401

I think lots of people will lurk this thread. See here, lots of young people fell for the shitty college department and "chase their dreams" memes. As a result, shitloads of debt, no marketable skill, no actual skills at all. We were all young and stupid at one point, but some of us were really stupid, not to mention (((media))) and (((academia))) turning into a con artist circle and a scam now.

Lots of people out there with degree, but no skill and not young any more, and the end result is no job because HR demands 10 years in a programming language or a new tool which were released a month ago and some of the really crony ones has a circling blacklist based on their preferences. Something needs to be done.

If you have a way out of the dead zone that's more convenient than hiking the desert like Moses, DO IT.

I'm unemployed because all my jobs ended in bounced paychecks. My applications lack competitive edge because my prior employers are all unreachable. My prospects are all along the lines of "helper needed" where I work for free, or "investment opportunity" where I work while paying out money I don't have. I began by volunteering, earned pay in several places by impressing people so thoroughly they would bleed gold from rocks in order to keep me. But as the money ran out, I went back to volunteer status and the world seemed to see me as a source of physics-defying work with no need for sustenance.

Simply put, there's more to finding work than filling out applications. You need to deliver them to somebody who has money for hirelings.

Have you applied for hard, physical labor? Most NEETs I've talked to don't, this is why I ask. Call your local electric company/cooperative and ask who does their right-of-way [ROW] clearance - this job includes trimming/removing trees along the power lines, Chances are they need help because people either a.) cant handle the work or b.) get into drugs or drinking and thus lose their job. It's tough and dangerous, yet fulfilling work.

If that fails call a company that pours asphalt or concrete, or does contracting building roads for the government. A lot of times these guys live in hotels paid for by the company because they take different contracts all around the country. These are less dangerous but probably even more physically demanding.

Hard labor is good for you, it's humbling, builds character, and good exercise. Plus, you'll get a tan and look like a Chad.

>>708459

>Have you applied for hard, physical labor? Most NEETs I've talked to don't, this is why I ask.

These are generally driving jobs, meaning jobs for people who have already had money flowing through their hands. You're in Los Angeles for one project then Las Vegas for the next, my dad did this in a union back before the supply of such people vastly outpaced the demand for them. That was about 20 years ago and I've watched other wells run dry in the mean time.

No offense intended, but please do not dispense advice built for the 1970s.

>>708401

Let God do all the work.

Become saved.

From dust you came and to dust you shall return. All the Lord wants is for you to live with him for eternity. Accept the Lord fully, and you can start your life with him today.

Even if you live in poverty and misery, your faith will let you rejoice in the Lord. But salvation will not lead to sudden results. Our Lord Christ promised that faith is like a mustard seed. Once we are saved, our faith grows, and we walk more and more in step with our God.

Humble yourself, and believe the Word of God.

>>708408

Being a monk is still a lot of work, but it's probably more rewarding than working for money

>>708539

I will cede this point in relation to some labor jobs, for others not so much. I currently work as an arborist for an electric cooperative, and I don't drive excessive distances every day. We have a show-up lot we begin every day in, and take the work trucks out to the job site. The 'well' won't 'dry up' soon either - we have more work now than we ever had in the past, due to the power lines ever expanding into newly constructed areas. The same thing goes for road construction.

Don't ask for advice and then refuse to take it - that's how you remain a NEET. Not all of these jobs are 'driving jobs', try looking for one and applying. Usually they tell you up front if this is the kind of thing you'll be required to do. I don't mean to sound condescending, but really this worked for me in 2016, it isn't meant for the seventies. It worked for me, it can work for you too.

I want to thank everyone for their replies. They've all been useful in one way or another.

>>708535

>In general, it takes a while to find something, this can even be the case if you have multiple STEM degrees and a career with years of exp.

Being made aware of this was very helpful. I suppose I may have had an unrealistic view of how the job marketplace works since most people I know got jobs less than a month after they started applying for positions. I never really internalised the fact that their cases might be exceptional. In my mind, that was the normal, which made me a complete and utter failure.

>>708459

I have started to consider it. I have worked on an orchard for a couple months in 2012 (a summer job of sorts), so it's not like I am unfamiliar with hard manual labour. But my intention was to put what skills I do have to use and work in a domain where they'd be needed.

At the very least, I think I am going to have to work such a job while I study and keep applying for the sorts of jobs I was initially aiming for. I worry about how doing this will come across to a potential employer however.

Another aspect that worries me when it comes to following this path is collegiality. I am very bad with people and these sorts of job usually involve a lot of interaction with others (in a very different way compared to white collar jobs, where you usually do your own assigned task and only interact with others a couple times a day).

>>708411

I don't think it's my lack of skills that's the problem, but the inactivity gaps in my CV and the fact that I took more time than usual to finish college (due to mental health problems). I am almost 29 years old and the last time I had a job (on paper, since I mostly wasn't there) was over 4 years ago. I tried getting a Master's but I dropped out for very stupid reasons.

Basically, anything I can do, there's bound to be a younger kid that can do it too, so I'll get passed over.

>Do you have anybody who could support you

Yes, but I don't want to continue taking advantage of my parents.

>>708420

a person with mental problems should definitely avoid becoming a monk. It's not for the unstable. And monks work a lot, depending on the monastery.