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Communism was invented in the West, and only took root in Russia to the extent that they tried to westernize themselves, a process which began with Peter "the Great", a known westernphile.

>>697923

yeah and what did the church DO about it?

did they just tell their people to pray about it?

faith without works is DEAD.

>>697924

Most of the clergy reacted toward the Russian Revolution with open hostility. During the Civil War, many representatives of the Russian orthodox clergy collaborated or had sympathies with the White Armies and foreign invading armies, hoping for a restoration of the prerevolutionary regime.[38] The church had expressed its support to General Kornilov's counter-revolutionary coup attempt. The church adopted the Enactment on Legal Status of the Church in Russia which tried to vindicate the rights that the church had enjoyed for centuries under the old regime. The Orthodox Church, said the document, "holds the pre-eminent public and legal position in Russian state among other denominations".[31] Tikhon anathematised the Soviet government and called on believers to fight against it and its decrees. The church leadership openly urged fighting against Soviet Government in its appeal entitled "To the Orthodox People". "It is better to shed one's blood and to be awarded martyr's crown than to let the enemies desecrate Orthodox faith," said the Appeal.[31]

The church's opposition to the Soviet Government was part of a general counter-revolutionary movement

>>697919

>The (((World Bank)))

lel

Here are some interesting highlights.

Of course the whole piece is heavily biased but it's usefull to know what one of the most anti-Christian institutions in the world thinks about theological issues.

>the rise of individualism in the West - in both family affairs and economic exchange - was mediated by the Catholic Church between the sixth and eleventh centuries

>Western Christian theology placed high emphasis on rationality which culminated in the rise of scholasticism

>with the arrival of Protestantism in the 16th century, monasticism was repudiated, and believers were urged to express their faith via rational and secular activities

>Orthodoxy puts less emphasis on law and reason. For instance, the Orthodox doctrine of God, and Orthodox theology more generally, never developed in the Western rational sense but were closely associated with mystical, experiental and ascetic phenomena

>Eastern Christianity is also more emotional and affectionate, and God is considered to be beyond rational grasping.

>Moreover, Orthodoxy places a stronger emphasis on tradition and communitarian values

>Orthodoxy is to blame for communism

Stopped reading there. You may argue that Russians did not stop the revolution. The church opposed it, they supported white army. The white army did not succeed though…you might spin that and blame it on Orthodoxy but I do not think it would be fair.

You should study the matter more before making such claims. Communism is anti-christian you would know

>>697923

Your understanding of communism and its origins screams “brainlet”.

>>697924

Praying is a work.

>>698085

Not all, there are Christian Communists on /leftypol/ but i don't know how they mix a liberation philosophy with social conservationism.

>>698093

> there are Christian Communists on /leftypol/

no there aren't, those are LARPers, neither communist nor christian.

Romans and Romaics are to blame for Islam.

>>698093

You can be a religious collectivist like the Kurds.

>>698100

Kurds are fags who are trying to destroy Christianity in their regions.

https://www.premier.org.uk/News/World/Syrian-archbishop-There-are-plans-to-oust-Christians-from-the-region

http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Kurdish-authorities-close-four-Christian-schools-in-Qamishli--44796.html

>>698103

t. turcoshit poster

Meanwhile Islamists and their backers have actually done so.

>>698105

>Against the only thing standing between Christians and fundamentalist proxies

>not a neofascist Islamism shill

Again that says nothing about the personal religiousity of the Kurds.

>>698103

Actually the Syriac Union Party was the one who closed the schools. It's an internal division between pro-regime and pro-SDF Assyrians in the region, same thing that split the Sutoro and Sootoro. The ebil kurds weren't even involved.

>>698111

It was kurds, read your propaganda sources better dumb commie shills.

>>698108

kurds are faggot socialists and muslims are heretics. get lost.

>>698113

So are anti-Putinists and NATO military industrial complexes

>>698129

Middle Eastern politics seems inherently dysfunctional even in the best of times.

>>698079

He's 100% right though

>>697923

>The ideology pretended to be capitalism for the poor, a form of vengeance for the proles,

This is true. I had some debates on /leftypol/ and a bunch of them repeat the same defense "revolutionary violence is moral when we do it, immoral when they do it"

and regarding seizing the means of production, why should one class own it rather than another? "because it's moral when we control it, immoral when the other class controls it"

it literally is capitalism for the proles, specially since they all end up forming a state and using money and never figuring out how to get rid of either of these things.

>>706014

Leftism in general is LARPing Sainthood. I proclaim my self a saint and thus i can do whatever the fck i want, since my sainthood guarantees that whatever i do is for the good of humanity and "progress". If you disagree with me, you are an enemy of my sainthood and whatever is good in this world so i have the right to kill you. That's how their minds work. Neonazis and fascists at least play the hollywood bad guy, for their own reasons, but at least they are more honest.

>>697919

I'm not orthodox but this is the typical boomer protestant argument who thinks Christianity lead to democracy and capitalism when democracy and capitalism are corrupting the people and destroying christianity.

And Communism was created by western JEWS. Crazy how they link it to Orthodoxy but not to the greatest ally.

Go home Calvin

>>705997

Why bump an old thread with a pointless comment?

>>697919

>50 million Orthodox Christians died martyr under the atheistic communist regime

>Somehow Orthodox and communism are buddies

>(((World Bank)))

>>697950

Interesting. But the Catholic emphasis on rationality leads to things like Natural Law and Thomism. Causing secularism would be more like a side effect.

>>706140

Rationalism and secularism are the results of Renaissance rediscovery of Platonism and Hermeticism. Renaissance Humanism, with its naturalism, is the ancestor of Enlightenment rationalism and was strongly anti-scholastic.

You must realize, contrarily to a common orthodox theory, that Thomism is not the cause of the modern west.

There were strong political and social causes that led to the "paganised christianity" of Renaissance philosophy. First among them the decline of universal authorities (the emperor was powerless and the Pope was corrupt and discredited), the rise of national monarchies who wanted absolute power in their own territory, the decline of nobility and the rise of the urban merchant class.

>>706154

What I mean is that a theology or a philosophy do not simply spread on its own.

Like St.Thomas said this, then Ockham said this, then Decartes, and then you have modern rationalism who is agnostic. It's not how it works.

A philosophy spread because the people of a certain age wants to hear that.

Renaissance started in Florence, a city ruled by the Medici bankers, philosophers like Marsilio Ficino, who started the platonic revival, were directly financed by the Medici.

Same goes for natural law and absolutist theories, they didn't spread because it was a natural consequence of thomism: they did partly because it was the common thought of that era, partly because powerful people wanted to support them.

>>706166

Orthodox church prays for the ruler of the land (and also possess their portrait) and for the good of the land they are in as a norm since antiquity no matter who they were, friend or foe as Jesus have taught. Even if that was not the case, having a portrait of Stalin (current ruler of land) =/= responsible for whole doctrine of communism and its destruction.

Nice try, satan.

>>706204

When there is an evil rulers who wants to destroy the Church, Christians are legally allowed to resist to his rule, disobey and even take up arms against him

>>706213

And that's what they did if you read a tiny bit of history. Or bothered to read this thread >>697927

>During the Civil War, many representatives of the Russian orthodox clergy collaborated or had sympathies with the White Armies and foreign invading armies, hoping for a restoration of the prerevolutionary regime.[38] The church had expressed its support to General Kornilov's counter-revolutionary coup attempt. The church adopted the Enactment on Legal Status of the Church in Russia which tried to vindicate the rights that the church had enjoyed for centuries under the old regime. The Orthodox Church, said the document, "holds the pre-eminent public and legal position in Russian state among other denominations".[31] Tikhon anathematised the Soviet government and called on believers to fight against it and its decrees. The church leadership openly urged fighting against Soviet Government in its appeal entitled "To the Orthodox People". "It is better to shed one's blood and to be awarded martyr's crown than to let the enemies desecrate Orthodox faith," said the Appeal.[31]

The church's opposition to the Soviet Government was part of a general counter-revolutionary movement

>>706213

Thus the about millions of martyrs who died for their faith despite the communists pressures and threats. Some caved in because they are afraid of death either of themselves for their family, some were not. The point is that the Orthodox Church did not stood for or were the cause of communism like (((they))) said.

>According to a research published by the World Bank

Dear Lord, please remind the money changers.

anyone who has read about the Soviet Union for longer than 5 seconds would know that the Soviets were EXTREMELY anti-religious. they burned down churches and seized them as property.

this is the equivalent of saying Catholicism is the reason the nazis came into power

>orthos caused commies

This is one of the most idiotic things I’ve ever read…the Orthodox and Catholic Churches were robbed, beaten and dragged through the mud under Stalin’s regime and later until the fall of Communism…that is why Orthos and Cats from those Countries are so very often way more traditionalist and wary of ideologies: they experienced first hand the madness of man’s hubris when it comes to create “Heaven on Earth” and other lies of modern spawns of Hegelian philosophies.

Why do Protestant countries always become prosperity gospel oil addicts?

Why are Catholic countries always lazy?

Why are Orthodox countries geopolitical survivors?

>>709049

>Why are Catholic countries always lazy?

>Why are Orthodox countries geopolitical survivors?

But I thought Poland, Czechia, Slovakia, western Ukraine, Hungary, eastern Austria, Slovenia and Croatia were Catholic.

Your post is as retarded as OP.