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>>694983

Well, there is the whole resurrection thing. But beyond that, I'd recommend Irenaeus, "On the Apostolic Preaching," which shows how the life of Jesus was a reversal of the sin of Adam - eg, as Adam was formed from the earth, Jesus was formed from a virgin womb. There's a lot like that, you can see how Christ undoes the bonds of sin.

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The book of Daniel says that the Messiah will arrive before the destruction of the second Temple. Judaism claims that the Messiah has not arrived yet.

That leaves two options:

1. The Messiah never arrived, and Judaism is a false religion.

2. The Messiah arrived, and Judaism is a false religion.

Also, it's quite instructive that of the three Abrahamic faiths, two of them (Islam and Christianity) BOTH agree that Jesus is the Messiah. Only the Jews still autistically go "just wait guys, he'll be here any day now".

>>695006

Here's information on the particular prophesy in Daniel to which this poster refers. Do note: this passage teems with controversy to this day because of its incredible implications:

https://carm.org/does-daniel-9-24-27-predict-jesus

>>694983

For Jews a few concerns often arise with respect to Jesus Christ and these links should go some way toward answering them, or at least serve as stepping stones toward further research.

On the matter of unfulfilled messianic expectations:

http://christianthinktank.com/falsechrist.html

Of the eternal covenant:

http://christianthinktank.com/finaltorah.html

As concerns evidence for the resurrection, this page is an excellent summary:

https://www.reasonablefaith.org/writings/scholarly-writings/historical-jesus/jesus-resurrection/

If Christ was resurrected, and such a conclusion certainly best fits the evidence, then it follows that Christianity is true.

Pray to God and ask Him for help in your search. As a Jew, should you become a Christian, please do a careful study of the virtue of Justice and strive to be just and honest in your dealings with others. You will be a Christian, and your loyalties should thus be appropriately settled:

>Man becomes a debtor to other men in various ways, according to their various excellence and the various benefits received from them. on both counts God holds first place, for He is supremely excellent, and is for us the first principle of being and government. On the second place, the principles of our being and government are our parents and our country, that have given us birth and nourishment. Consequently man is debtor chiefly to his parents and his country, after God. Wherefore just as it belongs to religion to give worship to God, so does it belong to piety, in the second place, to give worship to one's parents and one's country.

http://www.newadvent.org/summa/3101.htm

Please, do not make excuses for the crimes of people distantly related to you. Please, do not show favor to the same over others who have a greater claim to your loyalty. God bless, anon.

>>694983

OP, can you first prove to us that you aren't bait?

>>695006

To add onto this. In Judaism (and Islam), they believe once the Messiah appears that man will be the Saviour of the world. In Christianity on the other hand, this man is the Son of Perdition (erroneously known as the Antichrist) and we are waiting for the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.

>>694987

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>>695006

Thank you all for your sources. I'll be sure to check them out. God bless every one of you.

>>695022

I don't know how to prove I'm not bait.

If I was bait, I'd be pretty disappointed, as everyone here has been nothing but courteous.

Who believes in Judaism because of compelling arguments?

The advice is to accept.

>>695026

We always get people who act like they’re asking in good faith, then immediately start attacking sources. So an op like yours, but then their response is something like “oh but that can’t be true cause [obscure Jewish source] says xyz about that”

You’re fine, is all I’m saying. You seem legit

>>695026

So what's your story, OP? How did you come to take an interest in Christianity? What about Judaism initially put you off?

Just read this

http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0128.htm

>>695047

> So what's your story, OP? How did you come to take an interest in Christianity?

I have a Catholic friend who's training to become a priest. He and I argue about religion, and I found some of his arguments to be very compelling.

> What about Judaism initially put you off?

Honestly, circumcision was one of the big factors in that. The more I learned about it, the more I couldn't help but feel it's a pretty sick practice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLmU6xTdeTI

>>695236

There are different ways of calculating the numbers, but the key point, which he convenient lly glosses over, is that Daniel describes the destruction of the Temple and makes it clear that the Messiah will arrive before that happens. The Temple has already been destroyed so playing number games is pointless.

The classic text on this is "Dialogue with Trypho" by St. Justin Martyr. As the name suggests, it's a conversation, which later becomes almost a debate, between a Christian and a Jew from the 2nd century. You can read it here http://newadvent.org/fathers/0128.htm

>>695243

Tell him he is wrong then???

>>694983

Well, the Old Testament is full of prophecies about Jesus, especially Isaiah chapter 53 is known for this, which is (and correct me if I'm wrong) a chapter that doesn't see the light of day within (at least certain branches of) Judaism.

Besides that, no other religion makes more sense to me than Christianity. God is holy, meaning that nobody is worthy of Him and even a single sin qualifies us to go to hell. Everyone is a sinner and nobody is able to pay the price for the sins they have committed. We need someone to save us, but because the sins are already committed, somebody still has to pay for them… It wouldn't be fair if there were no consequences for sin. Because of this, God was manifested in the flesh and took on the punishment Himself. Thereby providing a basis on which everyone can be forgiven for their sins, which is through faith in Jesus Christ. I know that something 'making sense' to me is subjective, but I thought this might still be useful to post.

You also might find this short video useful, it certainly has been useful to me.

https://youtu.be/DMc38L44avA?t=2m30s

The last advice I can give you, is to read the New Testament. And of course, to pray about this.

I pray that God will bless you in your search for the truth.

>>695272

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