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>>691510

It's not an actual problem. Look up the doctrine of the Age of Accountability.

It stems from eliminating the idea of Original Sin. Children are born sinless and cannot be damned until they are old enough to commit a sin and know that they are committing a sin.

>>691518

Are you intentionally misunderstanding Protestants? Because every single non-Apostolic I've met believe in original sin.

>>691522

Then either we're talking about different concepts or your circle of protestants and my circle of protestants (and I am one) have zero overlap.

Original Sin: The doctrine that all humans beings are born with the burden of sin already on them and are damned from the moment of conception.

Protestant belief: All human being are born with a sinful nature, but must actually commit a sin to be damned.

>>691532

>The doctrine that all humans beings are born with the burden of sin already on them and are damned from the moment of conception.

Yep, we're talking about the same thing.

>>691532

>Protestant belief: All human being are born with a sinful nature, but must actually commit a sin to be damned.

Orthodoxy has same view

>>691537

>inb4 "Muh OrthoProt"

>>691537

Orthodox do not believe in a sinful nature. It's semantics but a sinful nature implies that God created us to sin. This is not true, He created us to be perfect. The nature of man is disfigured by the fall but it is not sinful. Small but very important nuance.

>>691510

You are being silly even with Original Sin or the Orthodox explanation of it unbaptized infants do not go to hell. The Lord Jesus loved the children and constantly preached no harm may befall them. With that in mind although we do not know for sure we may believe Jesus has set aside a place for those who children who died without being cleansed of Original Sin. After all the choice was not theirs to make and they had no awareness to what was happening.

Adults have 0 excuse though.

inb4 muh 60 people denomination doesn't believe that #notallprotestants

>>691537

In Orthodox theology we believe that we inherited the consequences of Adams apostacy, not his sin. Like for example if parents are drug addicts, their kids will be born in a toxic household surrounded by degeneracy. It's not their fault that their parents are sinners but they will suffer the consequences nonetheless. I don't know how similar that is to the Protestant point of view i just wanted to make that clarification.

>>691510

>How does this work?

The prots who believe infants cannot be damned believe that accountability for a child's sins fall on the parent until the age of either reason (whenever this happens) or accountability (12, from the talmud).

>Are people who die in infancy simply predestined to salvation?

Not all prots are necessarily calvinists.

Arminians would think that the accountability for the child's actions fall on the parent, and the parent, being christian, makes the action that god finds pleasing and thus allows the child to be predestined to grace.

Lutherans…require baptism like normal folks.

Calvinists would think they were predestined to heaven…or hell, since calvin's god is an evil tyrant.

>Am I being silly or is this an actual problem for Protestantism?

Of course it's a problem. Credobaptists have to fall back on a talmudic doctrine of age of accountability in order to make it work. When you have to ask the jews how to make your christianity work, you know you've done winnie the poohed up somewhere.

Credobaptism exists because the radically reformed didn't want their kid's being counted in the king's church. They made up the doctrine for it post hoc.

>>691549

How does the existence of a sin nature imply that God created us to sin? The sin nature is just corruption that entered into the world and tainted man after the original sin.

>>691549

>>691564

I am Orthodox

I meant that person is born with an inclination towards sin, not that human nature is sinful and I think thats what that post meant

>>691654

I understand. I'm sorry if I'm being difficult but the word nature has an explicit meaning as it applies to theology. That's why it's improper to say that humanity is sinful by nature when by definition the human nature is an eternally perfect creation made in the image of God