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For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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f76e40  No.690283

Or a man with superpowers? Whenever I hear an apologetic explanation of what God is, he’s always this divine infinite who possesses all knowledge of the universe. He is the perfect and supreme being that needs not and wants not. He is the source of all.

But in the Bible, he acts like just a very powerful man. He gets angry and jealous and has to be persuaded to not destroy his own people. Not only that, but he’s described with humanesque characteristics, having arms and legs and a mouth that breaths fire. He doesn’t sound like some cosmic infinite first principle, he just sounds like a singular deity similar to any hindu/pagan deity, except there’s only one of him. This “God is a cosmic first principle of divine essence that can’t sver be fully understood” just sounds like a bunch of Platonic philosophy being read into the scripture that doesn’t actually come from it.

I’m not trying to antagonize, I legitimately want to know what /christian/ thinks about this. Who is God?

fd989f  No.690290

>>690283

Since we find many terms used symbolically in the Scriptures concerning God which are more applicable to that which has body, we should recognise that it is quite impossible for us men clothed about with this dense covering of flesh to understand or speak of the divine and lofty and immaterial energies of the Godhead, except by the use of images and types and symbols derived from our own life(7). So then all the statements concerning God, that imply body, are symbols, but have a higher meaning: for the Deity is simple and formless. Hence by God's eyes and eyelids and sight we are to understand His power of overseeing all things and His knowledge, that nothing can escape: for in the case of us this sense makes our knowledge more complete and more full of certainty. By God's ears and hearing is meant His readiness to be propitiated and to receive our petitions: for it is this sense that renders us also kind to suppliants, inclining our ear to them more graciously. God's mouth and speech are His means of indicating His will; for it is by the mouth and speech that we make clear the thoughts that are in the heart: God's food and drink are our concurrence to His will, for we, too, satisfy the necessities of our natural appetite through the sense of taste. And God's sense of smell is His appreciation of our thoughts of and good will towards Him, for it is through this sense that we appreciate sweet fragrance. And God's countenance is the demonstration and manifestation of Himself through His works, for our manifestation is through the countenance. And God's hands mean the effectual nature of His energy, for it is with our own hands that we accomplish our most useful and valuable work. And His right hand is His aid in prosperity, for it is the right hand that we also use when making anything of beautiful shape or of great value, or where much strength is required. His handling is His power of accurate discrimination and exaction, even in the minutest and most secret details, for those whom we have handled cannot conceal from us aught within themselves. His feet and walk are His advent and presence, either for the purpose of bringing succour to the needy, or vengeance against enemies, or to perform any other action, for it is by using our feet that we come to arrive at any place. His oath is the unchangeableness of His counsel, for it is by oath that we confirm our compacts with one another. His anger and fury are His hatred of and aversion to all wickedness, for we, too, hate that which is contrary to our mind and become enraged thereat(8). His forgetfulness and sleep and slumbering are His delay in taking vengeance on His enemies and the postponement of the accustomed help to His own. And to put it shortly, all the statements made about God that imply body have some hidden meaning and teach us what is above us by means of something familiar to ourselves, with the exception of any statement concerning the bodily sojourn of the God-Word. For He for our safety took upon Himself the whole nature of man(9), the thinking spirit, the body, and all the properties of human nature, even the natural and blameless passions.

John Damascene


f76e40  No.690300

>>690290

My confusion comes not just the descriptions of how God looks, but also how he acts


664b98  No.690305

>>690300

>but also how he acts

Those are symbols as well. If you're confused, compare God in the OT vs God in the NT.

In the NT this symbolic way of describing God as a "super powerful human being" disappears.


39b09a  No.690314

Imagine you're trying to appeal to a bunch of primitive tribesmen with a corrupted environment, who would rather burn their children for material benefits than listen to a wise man. They won't respect you for your noble deeds or even love you for your beauty. They want a strong leader with an iron fist.


2e2de1  No.690319

>>690305

So what about Christ, especially post-Resurrection?


7f5e98  No.690320

>>690305

I wouldn’t say that. He certainly spooked some merchants, and carried a huge cross up a hill.


8ca021  No.690373

Divine condescension.


56722c  No.690387

>Why does God in the Bible seem to act so much like just a powerful man?

Are you talking about Zeus? Or Odin? What you've described doesn't sound like the God of the Bible.

>He gets angry and jealous and has to be persuaded to not destroy his own people

The way I see it, just because you know something bad is going to happen in the future, it doesn't mean you won't get pretty angry about it when it actually happens. Further more, one might think of God as arrogant, but arrogance means having an exaggerated sense of self, which God does not. It might be difficult to accept but He does our deserve worship, so He has every right to be "jealous" when we treat things with the respect He is entitled to, more respect than they deserve.

>he’s described with humanesque characteristics, having arms and legs and a mouth that breaths fire

Figurative language, it's used all the time. Especially in visions. Make no mistake though, He can have those characteristics if He wants to, and indeed He does now because of the incarnation i.e. Jesus Christ




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