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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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e7376f  No.689685

Goofballs like this are the reason I couldn't become Christian for so many years.

More than any rational/scientific doubt it was Christian apologists making Christianity and God seem childish and petty that blocked me. They made faith seem like mere mental assent, "hurr just agree with us or burn in hell…simple!" or they made faith seem like magic "if you pray for it, it'll happen! God wants you to be rich and happy!"

While offering no spiritual nourishment but only moralist threats and wicked judgments. And obscuring the image of Christ, speaking of him as merely a propitiation for our sins and nothing else.

So don't be too mad at atheists/agnostics when they think of Christianity they think of the excessively loud yet very pedestrian representatives. They haven't read the church fathers or the wiser protestants. So they don't know the nuances and deeper meanings of things.

473c31  No.689712

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>>689685

I know kind of what you mean. I've nearly lost my faith due to all this YEC bollocks. I've always found their inherent dismissal of anything contrary to their ideas rather detrimental to the Christian cause. I believe Augustine discussed it in some length, basically saying "don't opine on a subject you know nothing about while preaching the gospel, otherwise no one will listen." To me, people like Ham and Hovind have done more harm to the faith of our people than Dawkins or Krauss ever could.


4a6e41  No.689730

Let the blind follow the blind


df9012  No.689743

>>689685

OP, I believe many self-proclaimed atheists and agnostics actually share your view. The only difference is they're too lazy to follow the Jesus of the Bible instead of the Jesus from the Bible Belt.


a2d11d  No.689764

>>689712

What specifically about YEC do you find dubious?


7af727  No.689800

>>689712

Good luck trying to argue evolution and the Earth’s timeline from the Bible. The evidence for YEC in the Bible is overwhelming. Shape your worldview around the word of God, not the word of God around your worldview.


1f3926  No.689934

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>>689764

Their infantile understanding of both the Bible and science as a whole, and ignorance on a subject without having some paranoid talking head preach it to them. My main qualm was with their "assessment" of hominin fossils. Most of their material is devoted to smearing their discoverers or the researchers rather than actually assessing the fossils in any great length.

>>689800

>The evidence for YEC in the Bible is overwhelming

Sure, as long as you have a horrid understanding of any scientific field, refuse to change on any stance, and would rather have some preacher stroke your persecution complex. At least be honest, and say you take it on faith.


431127  No.689939

Based Americans in charge of killing Christianity.


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1f3926  No.689942

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>>689939

This but unironically


a2d11d  No.689949

>>689934

Could you explain please why a young earth is not supported biblically? Also what your qualms are re fossils? Is it the purported age of the fossils or rather that creationists reject them as transitional?


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Reminder


1f3926  No.689954

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>>689949

<Could you explain please why a young earth is not supported biblically

I think any view can be extrapolated from the Bible. For instance, the sun standing still in Daniel could be seen as evidence of a flat/geocentric universe, but it could be seen in a number of ways.

>Is it the purported age of the fossils or rather that creationists reject them as transitional?

More of the latter, and it's not their rejection, but rather their interpretation. They've placed themselves in this rather bad position where thr fossils must be (a) or (b), never between, and as such most of their interpretations seem contradictory to one another. I think Foley puts it best:

>Creationists, on the other hand, assert that apes and humans are separated by a wide gap. If this is true, deciding on which side of that gap individual fossils lie should be trivially easy. Clearly, that is not the case.


a2d11d  No.689957

>>689954

I thought most paleontologist/geologists also ascribed to the idea of there being large, sudden leaps between species on account of the dearth of transitional examples in the fossil record and the explosive disappearing/appearing of species. Gradualism was discredited and punctuated equilibrium was embraced I thought, though admittedly I'm not to educated in recent stuff.


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>>689957

>punctuated equilibrium replaced gradualism

Competing hypotheses yes, but one has not overtaken the other. Both have their own strengths and weaknesses, and both have been used at one time or another. The minute details may differ among them, but they both agree on one thing: they're related.




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