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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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a6f54b  No.686466

Anyone here read Aristotle? I'm currently reading Metaphysics again and want to read Nicomachean Ethics again after I'm done with Metaphysics. It's been a really long time since I've read him, when I was in University though we never read either of these works in their entirety but we did read large selections and studied them. So I've never actually read either of these works in their entirety. Still, I know enough of Aristotle to be able to read St. Thomas Aquinas coherently.

29e4cf  No.686467

Much prefer Socrates and Plato.


08d357  No.686482

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>>686466

>"(7) Besides this, even if the genera are in the highest degree principles, should one regard the first of the genera as principles, or those which are predicated directly of the individuals? This also admits of dispute. For if the universals are always more of the nature of principles, evidently the uppermost of the genera are the principles; for these are predicated of all things. There will, then, be as many principles of things as there are primary genera, so that both being and unity will be principles and substances; for these are most of all predicated of all existing things. But it is not possible that either unity or being should be a single genus of things; for the differentiae of any genus must each of them both have being and be one, but it is not possible for the genus taken apart from its species (any more than for the species of the genus) to be predicated of its proper differentiae; so that if unity or being is a genus, no differentia will either have being or be one. But if unity and being are not genera, neither will they be principles, if the genera are the principles. Again, the intermediate kinds, in whose nature the differentiae are included, will on this theory be genera, down to the indivisible species; but as it is, some are thought to be genera and others are not thought to be so. Besides this, the differentiae are principles even more than the genera; and if these also are principles, there comes to be practically an infinite number of principles, especially if we suppose the highest genus to be a principle.-But again, if unity is more of the nature of a principle, and the indivisible is one, and everything indivisible is so either in quantity or in species, and that which is so in species is the prior, and genera are divisible into species for man is not the genus of individual men), that which is predicated directly of the individuals will have more unity.-Further, in the case of things in which the distinction of prior and posterior is present, that which is predicable of these things cannot be something apart from them (e.g. if two is the first of numbers, there will not be a Number apart from the kinds of numbers; and similarly there will not be a Figure apart from the kinds of figures; and if the genera of these things do not exist apart from the species, the genera of other things will scarcely do so; for genera of these things are thought to exist if any do). But among the individuals one is not prior and another posterior. Further, where one thing is better and another worse, the better is always prior; so that of these also no genus can exist. From these considerations, then, the species predicated of individuals seem to be principles rather than the genera. But again, it is not easy to say in what sense these are to be taken as principles. For the principle or cause must exist alongside of the things of which it is the principle, and must be capable of existing in separation from them; but for what reason should we suppose any such thing to exist alongside of the individual, except that it is predicated universally and of all? But if this is the reason, the things that are more universal must be supposed to be more of the nature of principles; so that the highest genera would be the principles.

>Metaphysics, Book III, Part 3


8274c0  No.686554

>>686466

You can read the commentary of St.Thomas Aquinas to the metaphysics for a good explanation and a Christian perspective.

I'm puzzled why you decided to start from the hardest book, though. I would have read the Ethic or De Anima first.


2d147f  No.686781

>>686466

You should start with the Organon, OP.


1bdc7d  No.686803

>>686482

Couldn't get past a couple sentences. This really hurt my brain and made me feel like a brainlet.


ba6faa  No.686906

Tried Aristotle, Nietzche, Evola, Descartes, and Acquinas. All a waste of time. Only philosophy I've read I've found genuinely useful, as in practical in day to day life, not just crap I read because I wanted to seem smart, was Marcus Auralius's Meditations. Even in that there's nothing I got from it I couldn't have gotten from the Bible.


2b2e31  No.687400

>>686906

Aquinas*

At least spell his name right. How could you, as a Christian, dislike the Summa?


e3db10  No.687418

>>687400

What do you expect from a Protestant?


56824a  No.687428

>>686466

I've read excerpts of most of his work but I only delved into his Politics in great detail. We going to start a book club? Should we both read Ethics and report back to the threat? I'm down with that.

>>686482

>>686803

Don't start in the middle, and uggh, that formatting. Green text doesn't work for dense

stuff. It's not as hard to comprehend as it seems, just take it one sentence at a time, and start from the beginning as it builds upon itself.


a9713e  No.687438

>>687428

Looks like he's criticizing Plato's universals, at least that's what I got from it.


c8c3a9  No.687927

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>>686482

>duuuhhhh dooyyy daaaa duhhh doyyyyyy

That's how my mind felt when reading that. How the winnie the pooh do you read 14 books of that?


56824a  No.687938

>>687927

see

>>687428, 2nd part

Interestingly, at least to me, when I first started this sort of reading in college I got bad headaches. But, I kept pushing through, re-reading anything I didn't understand and, eventually, I no longer got headaches and could clearly understand the ideas on the first pass. Took me about six months of regular study though.

Could just be that I'm a masochist…


0de66b  No.687978

>>686906

try Epictetus


118063  No.688048

The best thing IMO is to read Edward Feser's books on Aristotle and on Aquinas instead. The Last Superstition has the very basics and cites some basic books as well that are worth checking.


005935  No.688106

>>687938

Two years ago I started reading through the classics that were the foundation of western education for centuries and i initially had a similiar problem with headaches. Slowing down and taking time to contemplate helped me get over get over the initial hurdles. After a while it begins to feel more natural and flowing.

There are two main causes, first the classic works are only referenced in modern education so fewer people are reading them beyond a mangled quote or section. The second problem is the internet and always on connectivity reshaping our minds to not retain info, but instead think we can just search it later if we need to. Its bizarre to see someone read an article on their phone and an hour later only be able to tell you the general idea of the opening statement. By stripping away the classics its stripping away how to think and by overloading us with info we pass through life in a haze.


f73e5c  No.689338

>>686482

I love Aristotle so much.




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