/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

>>685665

/pol/ will be trigger be careful

Two things can share similar traits but that doesn't mean 'A is like B, therefore A is B.'

Perhaps the reason they look similar is because they have the same originator :^)

>>685665

Neopaganism is not to be confused with actual paganism of the ancient world. Modern paganism is an offshoot of the new age spirituality movement from the 60's. A gay pride march is truer to actual paganism (like a Cybele worship festival) than a metalhead who watch Vikings on netflix.

>>685852

> A gay pride march is truer to actual paganism (like a Cybele worship festival) than a metalhead who watch Vikings on netflix.

Can you provide evidence for this, anon?

>>685859

From Cybele's week festival

>24 March. "The Day of Blood" (Sanguis). Frenzied rites including scourging and whipping. Castration rituals would take place on this day. The tree is symbolically buried.

Hightly reminds of gay prides, slut walks, feminist marches etc. Also the notion and worshiping of transexuals as magical beings a third gender (for example Jazz Jennings, Caitlyn Jenner) is still present on Hinduism under the term Hijdra.

>>685852

> A gay pride march is truer to actual paganism (like a Cybele worship festival) than a metalhead who watch Vikings on netflix.

Pretty much. Vikings were the original cuckcholds and gayer than the Romans.

>>685665

>that feeling when all religions attempt to assert their superiotity by being more anti-gay than their competitors

Pro-tip: The victorious religion will be the one that will successfully give a function to homosexuals in society while completely destroying their corruptive influence.

>>685665

Yes, the vast majority of modern pagans, which are of the liberal, New Age Wiccan stripe, are marxists. The tiny minority of modern pagans that are right-wing/traditionalists are fascists/national socialists or garden variety conservatives. We've known this forever.

The question I have is this though: why do there seem to be many pagans on /pol/, yet their own board /asatru/, is basically a borderline dead zombie board unless someone blatantly trolls or provokes them?

>>686364

>The victorious religion will be the one that will successfully give a function to homosexuals in society while completely destroying their corruptive influence.

Japan seemed to be successfully doing that for awhile, but nowadays the corrosive influence of said communities is very obvious in their popular culture. Pride parades are becoming commonplace as well too (see embedded video.)

There is no: "giving homosexuals a role while destroying their corruptive influence." You give them a role/legitimize them: they start having a corruptive influence. The only answer is to either treat their condition, or shove them back into the closet. Considering that their "Oppressed victim minorities who just want equal rights" meme seems to be an unstoppable juggernaut that the mainstream public is falling for, hook, line and sinker; I don't see that happening anytime soon in the far West.

The only successes I've seen against this trope is in the Middle East and Eastern Europe, where they actively persecute and shove homosexuals into the closet with a vengeance.

>>686403

My guess is that they don't really believe in asatru but it's more an aesthetic LARP to them.

Sounds like you guys are just projecting your inner enemy image on to whoever you dislike.

>>686412

Fun fact: You can give a function to homosexuals while keeping them in the closet.

Unless you find a gay cure (please do) the only viable solution is to start a monastic order that is dedicated to the separation of these people from broader society.

They could be employed in so many ways.

>>686364

>>686779

This is what Christian societies had been doing for millennia. It treated them as sinful individuals, while simultaneously refusing to brook even the slightest hint of homosexuality.

As regards to your "monastic separation", I can't tell if this is a genuine idea or a barely veiled attack on the priesthood. Either way, it is a bad idea, because congregating them together is a horrible idea, becasue amongst themselves it will only encourage their self-destructive behaviour. You might as well put them all together into a giant nightclub.

It's like the old cliche of late 19th Century private school/boarding school homosexuality amongst young aristocrats, where one little runt would end up subverting and corrupting, however briefly, the rest of them. Once they boys got back out into regular society, however, intolerance of their degeneracy soon brought them back and they grew out of it. It is possible for young men, at least, to grow out of this vice if you encourage them to.

>>686779

>the only viable solution is to start a monastic order that is dedicated to the separation of these people from broader society.

>They could be employed in so many ways.

<Put a bunch of people together.

<That have a tendency towards unhinged, debauched promiscuity and hedonistic orgies when amongst their own.

<What could possibly go wrong?

The Catholic Church doesn't even have such specialized monastic orders, and has been suffering a perpetual PR nightmare just from merely having some homosexual priests here and there in their ranks, and you want to put them all together in one location?

As >>686805 so eloquently put it: that is a mindbogglingly stupid idea.

>>686751

t. pagan marxist

>>685665

This seems like a bad argument to me. There is enough real stuff wrong with paganism without spuriously associating it with communism. It's just as dumb when pagans try to claim an association between Christianity and communism.

As a pagan I find it amusing that the catalog shows an anti-pagan thread, and a pro-sunni muslim thread next to each other

the christcuck meme really aint a joke is it?

>>685690

I also find it interesting that /christian/ is antipol and associates paganism with racism/nationalism

holy shit you faggots really do need to be purged

>>686913

>>686913

Anti Shiite doesn't mean we're pro Sunni. Paganism is gay

>>685690

>>>/reddit/

>>686919

>paganism is gay

meanwhile in durka durka land

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacha_bazi

>>686925

That's a cultural problem. But islam is gay in other ways, like covering and hiding women in public so all you see is dude's everywhere, banning music and dancing. Pretty gay. Gay like neopagan revival movements.

>>686942

I like how you just completely ignore that muslims literally make little boys dress up as girls so they can dance and get sodomized, and still obsess over pagans like theyre the real problem lol

I smell an Arab shill

>>686946

and some african christians perform female breast flattening, not because it's christian but because their culture is warped.

If you're gonna come here you need to upgrade your logic skills, they're weak and gay (like paganism).

>>686954

>le culture is warped

maybe its because theyre tiggers and arabs anon, and religion has nothing to do with it. youll never be white btw

>>686954

>but because their culture is warped.

It's because they're animal-people, Anon. Stop letting a pagan kick your ass.

>>686913

winnie the pooh off marxist

>>686805

>>686809

>we can have homos being degenerate within our societies openly without shame

>we can have homos be seperate from our societies in a monastic setting far far away from civilization (degeneracy optional)

>let's go with option number one, because perfection must be the enemy of the good

winnie the pooh retards.

Homo's gonna homo.

Better keep them out, then let them in.

If you keep them in the closet and let them in, they will still subvert your institutions.

The monastic solution is a great idea. You can indoctrinate them there safely, without having prying eyes chimp out over "muh human rights".

You two are just too stupid for your own good.

>>686919

>le enlighted radical centrist

>>686825

Christianity IS proto-marxism and that is a good thing.

>>685665

Ah, I see you finished the course: How to be wrong on everying 101.

>>687345

>(degeneracy optional)

As I said before, just a few homosexual priests who have been indoctrinated into Catholicism have wrecked havoc. You're not going to have indoctrination be anymore successful by putting them all together in an environment by themselves that creates even more opportunities for them to indulge in their vices. You will literally just have a glorified bathhouse in the making. You're not really treating them, you're effectively just shoving them away and saying "go ahead and have your orgies in private, as long as it doesn't bother us."

>You can indoctrinate them there safely, without having prying eyes chimp out over "muh human rights".

How many homosexuals are going to willingly submit themselves to a life of celibacy (or at least the "prospect" of such a life, considering how well that will go under such a model as mentioned earlier)?

>"Just round them all up and send them there!"

<General public/How Liberal Media will spin it:

<"They're rounding them all up and sending them away to "monasteries!" It's the Holocaust all over again!"

A real solution is going to be addressing the Homosexual issue in a very public head on way (i.e. changing public perception of homosexuality; getting it criminalized/categorized as a mental illness again; making treatment/rehabilitation as common of a thing as drug rehab centers, sex addicts anonymous groups, etc. Escaping the lifestyle is possible; the problem is that in today's LGBT lionizing West, a homosexual has to hit rock bottom before they wake up:

http://josephsciambra.com/surviving-gaybarely/

>>687394

>You're not going to have indoctrination be anymore successful by putting them all together in an environment by themselves that creates even more opportunities for them to indulge in their vices.

Are you this autistic?

The whole point of putting them together is to to put them away in separation from the rest of us. You willfully stupid idiot. It's better to have their degeneracy be contained amongst themselves instead of having it infect all of us.

>monasteries are death camps

Why are you being more stupid than a liberal?

When a pedo gets protection by being locked away in a monastery, libs are literally throwing a hissyfit.

They definitely don't see it as worse than a death camp.

>willingly submit

We have to build a culture where homosexuals are treated in this way and it must become a cultural thing. They must also fulfill a role in their seclusion. It must be something that offers redemption.

>>687516

> It's better to have their degeneracy be contained amongst themselves instead of having it infect all of us.

>They must also fulfill a role in their seclusion. It must be something that offers redemption.

>They're hopelessly degenerate, so let's quarantine them off

>We need to offer them a role and a shot at redemption.

Well, which is it? Hopeless degenerates quarantined off into their never ending orgy party, or a role and redemption? You can't have it both ways. You create an environment which creates ease for their access to debauchery, you're not going to reform a lot of them, if any.

And yes, Liberals tend to be hysterical and emotion driven enough that they would indeed view a rounding up of homosexuals to be quarantined from the general public as a precursor to a second "Holocaust", and would absolutely weld that as a propaganda weapon against the general public. They've been literally doing it for the last 70ish or so years.

As for making all of them willfully submit to celibacy via culture: this is a pipe dream. The Bible specifically says that even most heterosexuals are not cut out for this life (see 1 Corinthians chapter 7.) Some homosexuals may be perfectly suited to a celibate monastic life. Many are like the one referenced in the link I posted in the end of my last post: damaged and misguided, and needing to be lead home. A more realistic option is what I said earlier: build a culture where homosexuality is either criminalized or treated as a mental illness or both, which compels homosexuals to either go for treatment or, if they have the spiritual strength to, submit to monastic life.

Monastic life/priesthood/etc. are all distinct callings from God. Even a heterosexual cannot arrogantly just volunteer and assume it's their role in life. They must be called to such a life by God himself. You can't just create a culture that goes: "Homosexual? Into the monastery you go!" They have to be chosen and called by God.

Be honest: do you believe that Jesus died and rose again to atone for our sins, and of the resurrection and judgment to come, or are you a cultural Christian who views the faith as a tool for social order?

>>687346

>le larpagan asshatru falseflagger

>>687552

There is no dichotomy like you describe.

We can contain them and still care for their spiritual wellbeing. In fact, containment might just compel more of them to choose a path of redemption over eternal degeneracy.

This is why hierarchy is important. You put the best and most pious in leading positions and while the sodomites can rise in rank they can never reach beyond a certain point.

If you contain them in monasteries, give them proper structure and leadership, you will save more than by letting them go free.

Also why can't I believe that Jesus died for all of our sins but also believe that Christianity should be a force for social order?

Theocracy now!

>>686919

>Paganism is gay

>That feel when a short prayer, an aspersion, is also called an ejaculation that you send to God.

>>687706

I'm more convinced than ever that you are either a cultural Christian, or something else. Not only did you answer my question in an indirect and sly fashion, but even after I explained why monasticism/a monastic order cannot become, nor was ever meant to be, a glorified pig pen for people with issues, you still insist on it being said pig pen. Monasticism is supposed to be a voluntary path for those who are called by God and have the spiritual strength to undertake such a heavy task:

>My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.

>James 3:1

The above verse is a specific warning against individuals (heterosexual or not) becoming priests willy-nilly, due to being judged far more harshly by God, and thus receiving greater condemnation if one is not cut out/fails in such a task. Monasticism is considered a higher calling than priesthood, and are thus held to an even higher standard. If you just take a homosexual, who's not cut out for this life, and just shove him him into said calling just because he's a homosexual, you are literally damning him to greater condemnation from God. Protestantism, and several of it's most questionable doctrines, such as "Once Saved, Always Saved", "Unconditional Election/Irresistible Grace", "Faith Alone without Works", and "Total Depravity," are either the direct or indirect product of Martin Luther trying to be a monk, washing out, and twisting scripture and doctrine to compensate for his personal failings and mental illness: scrupulosity.

Christianity can certainly be a force for social order, but there are aspects of it that are more than just a mere tools for social order. Your insistence on turning monasticism into just a quarantine zone for homosexuals indicates that you do not get this concept.

There is also, once again, the poor track record of putting a bunch of homosexuals together, as well as the fact that even individual homosexuals who are instructed and indoctrinated into Christianity outside of an all homosexual environment drop the ball hard, (i.e. the Catholic pedophile scandals.) further reinforcing that not all homosexuals are cut out for this line of God's work.