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>>685416

The Koran

>>685416

The prince of this world

>>685424

The Koran didn't turn God into a petty mortalized Zeus and Jesus in some bastard child/brother of Satan and doesn't promise Muslims they'll be like Gods if they only submit their entire life to Joe Smith.

>>685437

Neither does the Book of Mormon actually. All that stuff came later after Smith and his church essentially became nomads and got into Kabbalah.

Not defending Mormonism just saying the BOM is actually pretty Modalist in terms of its theology.

>>685437

And Mormons at least had the decency to call Jesus son of God and God being Father of mankind (in their own perverted ways) unlike the Koran. Nor did they claim that God is the "greatest of the deceivers" and as for the last part, be it retarded and perverted, its at least nice that they have concept SOMEWHAT related to Divinization/Theosis, unlike, again in Islam. And endless celestial sex is legit in both religions, just replace Smith with Muhammad.

And besides that, whats most important, Mormonism doest have hundreds of millions of followers

>>685416

Jehovah Witness's their bible adds on word, making Christ a creation instead of the creator, and then goes off from there.

subtle enough that you can easily miss it especially when talking to their missionaries.

>>685450

Yes. winnie the pooh off.

>>685450

><who cares that they completely botched God's meaning and message and turned him into basically Satan

><Muhammad would've done it too, I'm sure of it

No, he already did

>And they cheated/deceived and God cheated/deceived, and God (is) the best (of) the cheaters/deceivers

>Did they secure God's scheme/deceit ? So no(one) trusts God's scheme/deceit except the nation the losers.

>And when those who disbelieved deceive/scheme at you to affix/affirm you, or kill you, or bring you out, and they scheme/deceive , and God deceives/schemes and God (is) best (of) the deceivers/schemers

>And if We made the people taste/experience mercy from after calamity/disastrous distress touched them, then for them (is) cheatery/deceit/schemes in Our verses/evidences . Say: "God (is) quicker/faster (in) cunning/scheming , that Our messengers write what you cheat/ deceive/scheme."

>And those from before them had cheated/deceived/schemed, so to God (is) all the cheatery/deceit/scheme. He knows what every self gains/acquires , and the disbelievers will know to whom (is) the house's/home's end/turn (result).

>>685455

Not that I'm defending Muslims, which I'm not, but do you really consider that Musims, who still have a partailly working society and a minimal of Christian morals in the world, to be worse or on par with a literal God-defying sex cult?

>>685457

>partailly working society

facepalm.jpg

>minimal of Christian morals in the world

like Mormons

>literal God-defying sex cult?

So Muslims, whose religion was founded by a known sex addict and a pedophile?

Ah, btw, here, have some ahadith:

>Narrated `Aisha: I used to wash the traces of Janaba (semen) from the clothes of the Prophet (ﷺ) and he used to go for prayers while traces of water were still on it (water spots were still visible).

>Narrated Sulaiman bin Yasar: I asked `Aisha about the clothes soiled with semen. She replied, "I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) and he would go for the prayer while water spots were still visible. "

>Narrated `Amr bin Maimun: I heard Sulaiman bin Yasar talking about the clothes soiled with semen. He said that `Aisha had said, "I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) and he would go for the prayers while water spots were still visible on them.

>Narrated `Aishah: I used to wash the semen off the clothes of the Prophet (ﷺ) and even then I used to notice one or more spots on them.

>Narrated Anas bin Malik: The Prophet (ﷺ) used to visit all his wives in one night and he had nine wives at that time.

>Narrated Anas: The Prophet (ﷺ) used to go round (have sexual relations with) all his wives in one night, and he had nine wives.

Also, did you know that Koran says nothing about bestiality, unlike Torah? (and this coincidently leads islamic countries being top at searching for bestiality related porn? A "goatfugger" meme didn't come out of thin air) But we have two ahadith about them. Here:

>Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: If anyone has sexual intercourse with an animal, kill him and kill it along with him. I (Ikrimah) said: I asked him (Ibn Abbas): What offence can be attributed to the animal/ He replied: I think he (the Prophet) disapproved of its flesh being eaten when such a thing had been done to it.

and

>Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: There is no prescribed punishment for one who has sexual intercourse with an animal.

also, your """working""" islamic society:

>Fatwah 23672:

<The inquirer asks: "My parents married me to a young girl who hasn't yet reached puberty. How can I enjoy her sexually?"

>The imam answers him by saying: "Do not harm her if she cannot take intercourse but you may hug her, kiss her, and ejaculate between her legs" i.e. "thigh" her, as the fatwah in question indicates. (http://www.islamweb.net/ver2/Istisharat/ShowFatwa.php?lang=A&Id=23672&Option=FatwaId&x=40&y=13)

>>685460

Again, how can you compare the two? You honestly think that if Mormons had the outreach that Muslims do now, things would not be much much worse?

Are you seriously nitpicking over considering the fundamental values of faith?

>>685462

>You honestly think that if Mormons had the outreach that Muslims do now, things would not be much much worse?

Yes. Now pooh off and actually read Koran, Ahadith and basic Muslim tenants, instead of screeching like SJW.

>>685463

I cannot believe there are people so redundant as you anon… I guess that's how mormons get gullible people.

The Talmud

>>685460

That last part dude. Wtf?

This shit is in their book? But then the world only cares when priests are the pedos. Jesus Christ

>>685416

There really isn't.

>but muh talmud

>but muh koran

They don't compare. They're obvious and clumsy and embarrassing. They are ethnic artifacts that no sane person takes seriously on a spiritual level. But Mormonism has a sort of horrible and clever sharpness to it. Remember that the devil is a "subtil" beast. Remember that his opening move was to convince us that we could be gods. There is nothing on the face of the earth as plainly and unabashedly diabolical as the Mormon church.

>>685420

This. Imagine what Muhammad's believers will think of him once they realise it was all a lie.

>>685420

Agree

>>685450

again, i wasn't defending the Book of Mormon at all, but if you're going to say the Mormons are the epitome of evil, conveniently ignoring the much more widespread and covert shit the New Age movement has wrought (literally every school councilor uses at least one "relaxation technique" that can ultimately be traced back to Hinduism or Buddhism) at least know how they evolved to get where they are.

>>685650

I see 2 ways the Koran could've come about. Either Mohammad was an atheist and created Islam to exploit religious people for personal profit, or he had schizophrenia and really believed that an angel was dictating holy writings to him.

I think these same 2 possibilities apply to Joseph Smith.

>>685652

>Not realising that Mormonism is entwined in the Satanic New Age/Eastern mysticism religions of Man being a babby deity ascending into godhood

>>685663

Both are from the devil.

>>685663

He was probably deceived by a fallen angel

>I will go to the top of the mountain and throw myself down that I may kill myself and gain rest. So I went forth to do so and then) when I was midway on the mountain, I heard a voice from heaven saying, “O Muhammad! thou art the apostle of God and I am Gabriel.”

>Then the devil took him to the holy city and set him on the pinnacle of the temple and said to him, “If you are the Son of God, throw yourself down, for it is written,

>“‘He will command his angels concerning you,’ and “‘On their hands they will bear you up, lest you strike your foot against a stone.’”

>Jesus said to him, “Again it is written, ‘You shall not put the Lord your God to the test.’”

>Matthew 4:5-7

>>685457

Most Mormons are pretty wholesome, family-centered conservative people. That counts for something, right?

>>685771

It counts for them, I guess. Not for their ideology.

>>685663

>Either Mohammad was an atheist and created Islam to exploit religious people for personal profit

It was definitely this. Most of his 'revelation' comes at a time when it's directly relevant to what Muhammad wants and the 'revelation' always is Allah saying "Give Muhammad what he wants". I mean one of the stories is Muhammad cheating on his wife (wives) with a slave girl and Allah saying "Nah it's cool bro, don't deny yourself on my account". It's blatantly self serving garbage.

>>685663

Why not both?

>>685771

>conservative

>practice polygamy

Smith was a genius. He made a religion just to get all the girls he wanted. Gotta give him that.

>>685420

This, pretty clearly.

>>685437

The Koran < Satan's world kingdom

>>685892

It's a good thing we have the Almighty God on our side.

Mormonism is hardcore Arianism applied not only to the Son but to the Father and the Holy Spirit. Aka atheism.

>>685641

>the (((world))) only cares when priests are the pedos

And even then it was more about how they were maliciously abusing their "divine" authority.

>>685861

most don't do that anymore though

>>685416

There are plenty of heresies which scrape people against greater rocks than polygamy and Judaizeing. Some Jains and Buddhists purposely waste away and kill themselves, Mohammedans kill others, Hindus worship many gods.

In short Mormons aren't really all that far from the narrow way when you have a broader picture.

>>685420

That's heathenry. It's different.