How to make the life of your local church easier:> Don't beat your kids.> Don't rape your kids.> Don't have premarital sex.> If you must have premarital sex, don't cohabitate.> If you must have premarital sex, use birth control.> If there's a

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Christanon 08/05/18 (Sun) 23:39:43 7edff5 No.684571

How to make the life of your local church easier:

> Don't beat your kids.

> Don't rape your kids.

> Don't have premarital sex.

> If you must have premarital sex, don't cohabitate.

> If you must have premarital sex, use birth control.

> If there's a >5% chance you'll eventually get your kids taken from you, give them up for adoption AT BIRTH.

> Don't get divorced or an annulment.

> If you must get divorced, don't remarry.

> If you must remarry, be sure she/he isn't going to beat/rape your kids.

> Act like religion is somewhat important in your life. Pray and read the Bible with your kids. Catechize them.

> If you're going to catechize and raise good kids, please have at least a few. We need useful people.

> Pay attention to who your kids are hanging around with. Make expectations, and the reason therefor, clear.

> Don't drink around or marry! people who abuse alcohol.

> Don't commit adultery. Seriously.

> Don't use drugs. Weed counts.

By following these simple rules, you will save your local church a lot of trouble in fixing the consequences of you not following them.

Christanon 08/05/18 (Sun) 23:43:24 84300d No.684572

>>684571

>Don't beat your kids.

Proverbs 23:13-14 disagrees.

Christanon 08/05/18 (Sun) 23:45:20 7edff5 No.684573

>>684572

>Proverbs 23:13-14

Even if you think that's a literal rod, many of parents do it because they're angry. And that's how you get seriously messed up kids.

Christanon 08/05/18 (Sun) 23:47:44 7c7973 No.684574

>>684571

>don't sin, but if you must sin then sin even more

what's the point of this thread again?

Christanon 08/05/18 (Sun) 23:58:36 09e31a No.684577

>>684571

> Don't use drugs. Weed counts.

Do coffee and tobacco count?

Christanon 08/06/18 (Mon) 00:04:15 7edff5 No.684578

>>684577

In my experience they aren't as deleterious. Tobacco leads to a miserable old age, 20-30% get COPD and lung cancer is a bad way to go. But I don't see people washing up on the steps of the church due to cigs.

Coffee, well, go wild.

Christanon 08/06/18 (Mon) 00:17:55 e20a71 No.684585

>>684578

>>684577

Drugs aren't inherently sinful, abuse of your own body is however. You're making me want to get coffee though

Christanon 08/06/18 (Mon) 00:21:55 48804a No.684588

>>684571

>> Don't rape your kids.

What the winnie the pooh?

Christanon 08/06/18 (Mon) 00:48:50 7edff5 No.684595

>>684588

You'd think this would be the most basic step but it's amazing how many people screw it up

Christanon 08/06/18 (Mon) 01:47:41 35e5ee No.684613

>>684571

> If you must get divorced, don't remarry

I have a question about this. My father's first wife divorced him. He tried to fight it, didn't want to divorce it, wanted to make everything work out but to no avail - she left him high and dry, took the three kids and got him for years of alimony and child support.

He got remarried and had me. Did he sin in doing this? The church wouldn't annul his marriage even though he tried to have that done. It really hurt him when the Church wasn't there to help him in his time of greatest need, and led to him leaving it.

Christanon 08/06/18 (Mon) 01:52:56 35e5ee No.684616

>>684577

I'd say no, as neither coffee nor tobacco are intoxicating - they neither alter your thought process or behavior - unless you've become addicted to them and begin to suffer withdrawals, in which case you've let your use of these drugs become uncontrolled which is indeed a sin. However, the use of them in and of itself is not sinful.

Christanon 08/06/18 (Mon) 02:17:11 7edff5 No.684621

>>684613

I'm going to punt on whether he sinned, but it's not the kind of conduct that's creating boatloads of troubled souls, especially if you were well catechized. The first wife, on the other hand…

Christanon 08/06/18 (Mon) 02:29:17 35e5ee No.684627

>>684621

>but it's not the kind of conduct that's creating boatloads of troubled souls, especially if you were well catechized.

I'm sorry, I'm not an intelligent man and don't know what you mean by this. Could you explain this more?

Christanon 08/06/18 (Mon) 02:36:45 7edff5 No.684631

>>684627

What I mean is that after his wife left him, he found another woman and had another kid. If they raised you up OK, I'm more worried about the 3 kids from his first marriage than you. Healthy, vibrant, intact families generally do OK, and providing him creating that for you is good.

Christanon 08/06/18 (Mon) 02:38:42 7edff5 No.684632

>>684631

ugh, I can't type

*, and him creating that for you is good.

Christanon 08/06/18 (Mon) 02:49:26 23a9c4 No.684635

>>684613

Yes, I would assume he did sin. Are you familiar with the Church's teaching on divorce and remarriage? And that aside, leaving the Church is a whole host of sins, as well as severing yourself from the only means of healing them.

Christanon 08/06/18 (Mon) 03:00:45 35e5ee No.684638

>>684631

well I went astray for a while but eventually came back to Christ (albeit, in the form of Orthodoxy) but I'd say he did a fine job raising all of us - we are all now stable adults with jobs, a few of us have wives etc

>>684635

>as well as severing yourself from the only means of healing them.

I understand this, but when I tried to talk to him about it he simply told me the Church wasn't there for him when he needed them the most. I'm not sure what exactly happened between him and whatever priest(s) were directly involved in this process, but apparently whatever interactions they did have ruined his image of the Church. From what I gather he was made to feel guilty for his wife leaving him, like he should have fought harder for her to stay or something. Like I said though, I am not sure.

I know none of this excuses the sin, but this is his reasoning behind it. He is a very good man, better than I and many others that I know - I simply pray God will have mercy on him and show some understanding towards his plight and will decide to save him in the end. He still believes in Christ, just doesn't participate in the Church any longer.

Christanon 08/06/18 (Mon) 03:04:19 35e5ee No.684639

>>684638

I'll say this - if anyone is deserving of God's infinite mercy, it's my father. Moreso than I, the actively practicing Christian of the family.

Christanon 08/06/18 (Mon) 05:18:43 5c4bc9 No.684655

What about beating your child into discipline? The same can also be said for rape

Christanon 08/06/18 (Mon) 05:57:30 de8603 No.684656

Leave that to all the hispanics in my diocese?

Christanon 08/06/18 (Mon) 11:42:35 8a8a29 No.684711

> Don't beat your kids.

Don't beating your kids ends with them becoming brats. God The Father use punishment, including corporal one, for his children so earthly fathers should too. We are not pelagians, children as much fallen as we are.

Alternative advice:

<Don't get your kinds into daycare. Ever.

>If you must have premarital sex, don't cohabitate.

> If you must have premarital sex, use birth control.

Alternative advice:

<If you must have premarital sex, DO NOT HAVE PREMARITAL SEX

> If there's a >5% chance you'll eventually get your kids taken from you, give them up for adoption AT BIRTH.

Alternative advice:

<If you are not ready for kids, do not marry.

> If you must get divorced, don't remarry.

Alternative advice:

<If you must get divorced DO NOT GET DIVORCED

>If you must remarry, be sure she/he isn't going to beat/rape your kids.

Alternative advice:

<There is no remarriage. It's legal fiction. If you remarried you are adulter and must repent.

>>684577

Coffee and tobacco are not drugs. Alcohol too. But moderation is always required.

Christanon 08/06/18 (Mon) 12:00:14 ae0d16 No.684714

>>684655

Spanking =/= punching. There should be nothing more than a red mark, and in my case it only took a few times. And for Christ's sake (and I mean that in the literal sense), never punch your child in the chest or kick him/her.

Christanon 08/06/18 (Mon) 12:15:44 01c426 No.684715

>>684655

>The same can also be said for rape

rape into submission??? wut

Christanon 08/06/18 (Mon) 12:50:09 e2b878 No.684719

>>684655

t. muhammad

Christanon 08/06/18 (Mon) 13:20:31 6c2dcc No.684721

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>weed counts

Genesis 1:29

Tylenol makes you sterile.

Christanon 08/06/18 (Mon) 14:00:19 8a8a29 No.684734

>>684721

So I guess opium is ok too. winnie the pooh potheads.

Christanon 08/06/18 (Mon) 14:18:35 e20a71 No.684736

>>684719

kek

Christanon 08/06/18 (Mon) 14:19:42 b5e023 No.684737

>>684578

>Coffee, well, go wild.

Heavily disagree. Had anxiety problems for 5 years, tried everything to figure out why. Finally, after heavy prayer, realized it was coffee. Suddenly I can interact normally again and my life is becoming successful without the anxiety. Also, I wake up rested in the morning- I don't need coffee to get up.

I think caffeine is not as bad as some drugs, but it's still bad, and people don't realize how much damage it can do.

Christanon 08/06/18 (Mon) 14:51:19 d397d2 No.684743

>>684572

Chastening ≠ beating

Christanon 08/06/18 (Mon) 14:59:52 6c2dcc No.684747

>>684734

>what if I eat a dozen cheeseburgers in one sitting? Checkmate pothead

Everything in moderation.

Christanon 08/06/18 (Mon) 15:07:42 b5e023 No.684748

>>684747

Just do a little bit of heroin?

Christanon 08/06/18 (Mon) 16:00:26 934dc6 No.684760

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>>684747

There's a biblical injunction against insobriety. If you're seriously arguing for the freedom to smoke pot in such moderation that you aren't intoxicated, then maybe you're not wrong in principle, but nobody is going to use and not abuse pot. If you're arguing that getting high isn't insobriety, get your head checked.

The argument, by the way, that because other drugs are as bad as/worse than weed and yet are socially acceptable therefore weed should be accepted too is asinine. Alcohol is enough of an evil, we don't need two drugs of that sort and you couldn't ban alcohol even if weed WAS better. What you're arguing for is just doubling the amount of harmful substances. Normalizing it is degenerate, and there's no upside.

Christanon 08/09/18 (Thu) 01:57:50 4dfff8 No.685715

>>684572

>let’s beat the shit out of our kids in Jesus name

Oh hi, Michael Pearl.