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>>679895

No. It's missing books and its translated terribly. You can download their app which has a digital version and see for yourself.

>>679905

>No. It's missing books

I see all 66 books there. I'm not sure what you're talking about.

>>679895

I checked it myself. This translation removes 1 John 2:23b and 1 John 5:7 (yet keeps Acts 8:37, Mark 16:9-20 and Revelation 21:24 intact). So strictly speaking, it already isn't in line with the KJV, but let's keep looking for further differences.

In Matthew 5:32 et. al. the word "fornication" is changed to "sexual immorality," leaving it to the reader to decide what that means. In Matthew 7:14 the "narrow" way is characterized as "difficult." But the changes don't stop there. This HBFV translation has a tendency to insert words where they don't belong to establish their desiered meaning. They were ready to change "are saved" to "are being saved" in 1 Cor. 1:18, 2 Cor. 2:15, and Acts 2:47, but they didn't do so in either Revelation 21:24 or Hebrews 10:14. So we have inconsistency.

They were ready to add the words "continue to" to the ending of 1 John 5:13.

They were ready to add into 1 John 3:5 the words "he might take away our sins" instead of the direct "to take away our sins."

They were also ready to add the entire phrase "who for their own profit" to 2 Corinthians 2:17 where it didn't exist.

This is where it got bad, because I noticed in Romans 14:5 they added the words "for eating meat" out of nowhere and added a footnote, which if you went to it said that all translations were wrong to say that a man may "esteem every day alike," and that we are all required to observe the Sabbath. This led me to investigate Galatians and Colossians. In Galatians 3:2 and 3:10 they have a footnote telling you in order to understand it you must read a book called "Code of Jewish Law" by some Jewish Rabbis. In Colossians 2:18 there is a footnote directly stating that you must observe the Sabbath day. Then I saw Ephesians 4:30. And in that footnote here is what it says:

Ephesians 4:30 footnote:

>The traditional translation of the Greek word λυπ∈ω as 'grieve' assumes one is 'causing grief' to a third person of a trinity. The Holy Spirit of God is not a person, but the spiritual power God gives to converted believers. This begettal of Holy Spirit from the Father seals them. The power of the Holy Spirit is to lead and empower them to grow in godly character. When Christians sin, their actions are at 'cross purposes' to the leading of the Holy Spirit. Therefore, it has been translated 'vex' instead of 'grieve'"

And also in John 14:16-17 and John 16:13-14 the Holy Spirit is called by the pronoun "it" and you are pointed to an Appendix K where it explains that the Holy Spirit is not a person. I would not use this translation.

>not avoiding any Bible translations made since at least 1945

>>680012

>I see all 66 books there. I'm not sure what you're talking about.

The Bible has 73 books.

> it already isn't in line with the KJV

Oh you're one of those.

>>680041

>The Bible has 73 books.

See Matthew 11:13. The apocryphal books are not scripture, they weren't given by any prophet and do not exist in the original languages. It doesn't matter what any council says, they are fallible. I'm not a papist. Only the word of God is incorruptible and infallible.

>>680045

>t. Judaizer

>>680045

>The apocryphal books are not scripture,

…According to the Jews because they support Christianity too strongly. Good goy.

>>680056

What are you talking about? Do you think Sirach, Baruch, The Wisdom of Solomon, the Maccabean books etc. were written after the time of Christ?

Those are some slanderous images you are posting, too. The Church actively sought out, refuted and destroyed copies the Talmud, until certain (((reformers))) started spreading heresies about (((religious emancipation))) and the kosher version of the OT.

>>680057

>Do you think Sirach, Baruch, The Wisdom of Solomon, the Maccabean books etc. were written after the time of Christ?

No, they're just later Jewish folk writings. They were authored by Jews, not God.

>The Church actively sought out, refuted and destroyed copies the Talmud, until certain (((reformers))) started spreading heresies about (((religious emancipation))) and the kosher version of the OT.

Believe whatever you want about the history then, I have provided concrete sources. And even more relevant, I don't see my church cozying up to Talmudists like the catholic church now is. So unless you have something more specific to complain about than what you've already said, I think we're done here. I did a much more thorough debunking of the OP's translation than you did.

>>680058

>No, they're just later Jewish folk writings. They were authored by Jews, not God.

<t. Judaizer

Maybe provide a concrete source for this, too.

> I have provided concrete sources.

Concrete source my ass. It's literally the same carbon copy Vatican-British Royal Family-Rothschilds-Illuminati-Freemasons shit you find in YT comments.

Try again.

>And even more relevant, I don't see my church cozying up to Talmudists like the catholic church now is.

Sure thing buddy. Keep using that reduced Kosher canon like a good goy.

>I did a much more thorough debunking of the OP's translation than you did.

In terms of sciptural references, that is true, but it was a waste of your time, since you know as well as I do that you shouldn't be using any translation produced since at least WW2 anyway, since they all seem to want to go the way of watering the doctrine down.

>>680056

Yes and the deuterocanonicals were all written a century before Christ and were in the Greek Septuagint which was used by Paul and the other authors of the New Testament as the authoritative source, so whats the problem?

>>680060

>Maybe provide a concrete source for this, too.

Matthew 11:13, as I said. The were written by non-prophets and are not known in the original language sources. I think I said this already.

>Concrete source my ass.

Do you think the expurgated Talmud and Hesronot ha shas didn't really exist? Do you think the toleration of Jews and use of Italian renaissance printing presses to print expurgated Talmuds did not occur? You can continue to think that if you want, but I will keep on doing what I've been doing.

>>680061

>Yes and the deuterocanonicals were all written a century before Christ and were in the Greek Septuagint

They were in Origen's rescension of the septuagint, which was written after the New Testament. There are no surviving sources of the pre-NT version or any way to prove what the vast majority of it said and where it may have differed from Origen's Hexapla.

>>680065

>Matthew 11:13, as I said.

But it postdates their authorship. We're not talking about the Gospel of Peter, here. Christ Himself even quotes them, several times in the Gospel.

>Do you think the toleration of Jews and use of Italian renaissance printing presses to print expurgated Talmuds did not occur?

Yeah, and the Church had for a long time endorsed the translation of the Qur'an, the intention being to use it to undermine it. What is your point?

As for toleration, we're not talking "Our greatest allies"-tier toleration, we're talking not executing them. They lived in ghettoes in many Catholic areas even well into the 19th century, and were only allowed to leave with civil and ecclesiastical permission, for a short time, and had to wear a big yellow hat and a badge so people would avoid them.

>>680067

>Yeah, and the Church had for a long time endorsed the translation of the Qur'an, the intention being to use it to undermine it. What is your point?

The fact that they aided the Jews by producing an "approved" version which could later be used to dupe the goyim into believing the Talmud said nothing negative about Christ, which in turn led to greater toleration and misunderstanding about what the Talmud actually says to this very day.

By simply leaving an offending passage blank, a Jew equipped with the Hesronot ha-shas was able to fill in the blank to acquire the complete Talmud for himself, printed with fine quality on pages with the blessing of the Catholic printers of the age, the same exact people in the same time who were prohibiting and burning Tyndale's and other translations of the Old and New Testament. And furthermore they were also printing the Zohar and all kinds of "Christian cabbalistic" commentaries that cited rabbinical commentaries as authoritative via the publications of Reuchlin, Pico de Mirandola, Cornelius Agrippa, and others who were in favor with many Catholic potentates including some popes at the time. That's more or less the point there.

We can come up with example after example of how Jews were sometimes treated as dregs of society and sometimes treated far too well, but the fact remains that all of the above still happened. The sort of neo-platonic philosophies of kabbalism infiltrated the state church in the Vatican and abroad, leading to the de-facto promotion of rabbinic thought through the use of rabbinic commentaries as authority and through the willing propagation of their sacred Talmud and Zohar texts. And at the same time, the spread of the received word of God from the original languages uncorrupted was being stifled through mass persecution. Even today, corruptions are being spread and hawked by greedy publishers and theological revisionists, Catholics included who would like nothing more than to replace the received word of God with their own imitations. They can try, but will never actually succeed in doing so.

>>680072

Why are you even talking about some middle ages conspiracy theory? The Greek Orthodox and the Copts and the Syrians and the Assyrians basically have the same canon as Rome, got any theories about how the Jews infiltrated the Coptic church or whatever?

>>680072

>The fact that they aided the Jews by producing an "approved" version which could later be used to dupe the goyim into believing the Talmud said nothing negative about Christ, which in turn led to greater toleration and misunderstanding about what the Talmud actually says to this very day.

Approved by Pope Leo X. Not an amazing pope, by the way, especially when most of his ancestors and descendents publicly condemned the Jews and their Talmud. It also wasn't helped that under his awful papacy, the heresy of Luther (another Judaizer) took root.

>Reuchlin, Pico de Mirandola, Cornelius Agrippa

Three men who were put before the Inquisition on at least one occasion each and made to answer for their heresy. Then again, compared with later protestant sympathies, I think their naivete pales a bit.

>The sort of neo-platonic philosophies of kabbalism infiltrated the state church in the Vatican and abroad, leading to the de-facto promotion of rabbinic thought through the use of rabbinic commentaries as authority and through the willing propagation of their sacred Talmud and Zohar texts.

Yeah, cabbalistic, pro-rabbinic thinking like there are only 39 books in the OT, for example.

For real though, this statement is too nebulous. If you are referring to the likes of Masonry and enlightened politics and the rise of religious tolerance/pluralism, I think the Reformation has more to do with that.

>Even today, corruptions are being spread and hawked by greedy publishers and theological revisionists, Catholics included who would like nothing more than to replace the received word of God with their own imitations.

I do agree with this. I think James White is right about this too.

>>680087

This graphic is a great tool for dismantling your own thought process. So you think the "Complete Jewish Bible" is accurate and reference it troughout as if it was.

>>680092

I've got to go now, so after you write your next post now consider this.

Psalm 148:2

Praise ye him, all his angels: praise ye him, all his hosts.

Isaiah 29:18

And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.

Psalm 22:16

For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.

Zephaniah 3:11-12

In that day shalt thou not be ashamed for all thy doings, wherein thou hast transgressed against me: for then I will take away out of the midst of thee them that rejoice in thy pride, and thou shalt no more be haughty because of my holy mountain.

I will also leave in the midst of thee an afflicted and poor people, and they shall trust in the name of the LORD.

>>680012

>cutting up the Bible because the kikes told you to

Luther, let some other demon use the computer. You can't hack it any longer.

>>680320

Genius.

>>680677

Nice digits

ESV is actually pretty legit.

>>680012

Thanks for the QRD. What bible would you recommend? My family was/is atheist but i went to a Jesuit university. I consider myself a follower of Christ. I am not catholic but i am drawn to Lutheranism.

>>680045

The ancient fathers sure quoted them a lot rlly makes u think

>Appendix L - A Summary of Proofs That God Is Not a Trinity

>A Faithful Version

kek