Catholics of /christian/,Let's discuss the state of our Church.>Pope Benedict XVI in 2011 suggested the church should not be targeting Jews for conversion efforts, since "Israel is in the hands of God, who will save it ‘as a whole’ at the proper time."

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Christanon 07/18/18 (Wed) 19:52:55 94c2e9 No.677128

Catholics of /christian/,

Let's discuss the state of our Church.

>Pope Benedict XVI in 2011 suggested the church should not be targeting Jews for conversion efforts, since "Israel is in the hands of God, who will save it ‘as a whole’ at the proper time."

Why does our Church make particular exemptions for Jews? We are to spread Christ's message to the whole world, but not to Jews?

Special exemptions for Jews have existed even going back to the Middle Ages:

>Constitution pro Judæis

>We decree that no Christian shall use violence to force the Jews to be baptized, so long as they are unwilling and refuse.

>The bull forbade Christians, on pain of excommunication, from forcing Jews to convert, from harming them, from taking their property, from disturbing the celebration of their festivals, and from interfering with their cemeteries.

This is unique. Forced conversion has been permissible against pagans, Christian heretics, and Muslims. Why are Jews uniquely protected by our Catholic institutions?

>pic unrelated

Christanon 07/18/18 (Wed) 20:32:41 820705 No.677143

>>677128

>Why does our Church make particular exemptions for Jews? We are to spread Christ's message to the whole world, but not to Jews?

Because it's pointless. Jews are hard-hearted and stiff-necked people.

Also: For I would not have you ignorant, brethren, of this mystery, (lest you should be wise in your own conceits), that blindness in part has happened in Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles should come in.

Christanon 07/18/18 (Wed) 21:26:58 ac797f No.677150

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>>677128

>Why does our Church make particular exemptions for Jews?

No, the exemption is not only about the Jews:

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pope-very-grave-sin-for-catholics-to-try-to-convert-orthodox

>Forced conversion has been permissible against pagans, Christian heretics, and Muslims.

I pity the guys whose "church" approves such things.

>>677143

>Because it's pointless. Jews are hard-hearted and stiff-necked people.

No, it is not. There are Jews who have became Orthodox Christians. I personally know one of them.

"Which of you men, if you had one hundred sheep, and lost one of them, wouldn't leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one that was lost, until he found it? […] I tell you that even so there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents, than over ninety-nine righteous people who need no repentance." (Luke 15:4,7)

Christanon 07/18/18 (Wed) 21:30:33 01b8fc No.677151

>>677143

t. never met a Jew in life

Christanon 07/18/18 (Wed) 23:17:18 0d42d2 No.677192

>>677190

Need more edge

Christanon 07/18/18 (Wed) 23:38:07 0a2ae9 No.677198

>>677128

Because the church wanted lending slaves and old covenant larpers was a good excuse for excusing some people from the usury ban, but then they got freed and told Luther to butcher the Bible, and since then every major Protestant heresy has been slowly seeping into the church. Now we’re getting culturally, religiously, and genetically genocided because we propped up Satan’s pawns in exchange for fake money. Jews were a mistake.

Christanon 07/19/18 (Thu) 04:59:39 d9ad03 No.677294

>>677128

Please don't winnie the pooh tell me kek was Christ this whole time.

Christanon 07/19/18 (Thu) 05:19:54 771677 No.677301

>Why does our Church make particular exemptions for Jews?

It is just a suggestion. The Pope emeratus is saying that perhaps God has a plan for his historic chosen people, which would make converting them pointless. This however is not a belief that anybody has taken seriously and we all should still preach to the jews.

>Forced conversion has been permissible against pagans, Christian heretics, and Muslims.

No it isn't permissible. It contradicts basic theology, that God gave us free will to choose him or not. Forcing someone to convert doesnt save them, and degrades the Catholic faith.

Christanon 07/19/18 (Thu) 05:20:28 ba23bb No.677302

I think it's okay to say that Benedict is wrong here. Even if the Jews will be converted as a wholeat some point (an–I believe–disputable, but reasonable interpretation), we still should be concerned about the souls of individual Jews in the mean time.

>Forced conversion has been permissible against pagans, Christian heretics, and Muslims.

No, forced conversions are not permissible. Baptism received out of compulsion is invalid.

Christanon 07/19/18 (Thu) 11:49:02 820705 No.677369

>>677150

>>677151

>No, it is not. There are Jews who have became Orthodox Christians. I personally know one of them.

I mean by generalization. One does not get name "Synagogue of Satan" by not being generally reprobate.

I do not say that individual Jews cannot repent. I mean that Jewish nation as a whole cannot