Please correct me if I am wrong.Cultus latria, cultus hyperdulia, and cultus dulia are all forms of worship.Cultus latria is worship due to God alone. See, what people typically associate with worship, including Protestants, is not worship by itsel

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Christanon 07/16/18 (Mon) 06:57:19 2b818f No.675856

Please correct me if I am wrong.

Cultus latria, cultus hyperdulia, and cultus dulia are all forms of worship.

Cultus latria is worship due to God alone. See, what people typically associate with worship, including Protestants, is not worship by itself but actually adoration which is the substanially highest worship and the kind of worship given to deities, in the case of Catholic Christianity to God alone who is the only deity. So adoration is contained in latria and therefore adoration is the only worship to be given to God alone.

Then there is cultus hyperdulia and cultus dulia, these are also forms of worship. Therefore Catholics do indeed worship Mary and the Saints, however Catholics do not adore them, instead the form of worship that is given to them is veneration not adoration.

Therefore, all Christians offer worship, or rather, adoration to God alone. But many Christians, Catholic, Protestant, and Orthodox included, also offer worship to others but not as latria but rather as dulia. And not just Christians, but in fact even many other monotheistic faiths.

This is how I've had it explained to me before. Is this correct?

Christanon 07/16/18 (Mon) 07:09:38 d6fa54 No.675864

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Calvin summaries the situation very well.

In fact, the distinction between latria and dulia, as they called them, was invented in order that divine honors might seem to be transferred with impunity to angels and the dead.

For it is obvious that the honor the papists give to the saints really does not differ from the honoring of God. Indeed, they worship both God and the saints indiscriminately, except that, when they are pressed, they wriggle out with the excuse that they keep unimpaired for God what is due him because they leave latria to him.

But since the thing itself, not the word, is in question, who can permit them to make light of this most important of all matters? But — to pass over this also — their distinction in the end boils down to this: they render honor [cultus] to God alone, but undergo servitude [servitium] for the others.

For latreia, among the Greeks means the same thing as cultus among the Latins; douleia properly signifies servitus; and yet in Scripture this distinction is sometimes blurred. But suppose we concede it to be unvarying. Then we must inquire what both words mean: douleia is servitude; latreia, honor. Now no one doubts that it is greater to be enslaved than to honor. For it would very often be hard for you to be enslaved to one whom you were not unwilling to honor.

Thus it would be unequal dealing to assign to the saints what is greater and leave to God what is lesser. Yet many of the old writers used this distinction. What, then, if all perceive that it is not only inept but entirely worthless? -Calvin's Institutes, 1:12:2

Christanon 07/16/18 (Mon) 07:37:20 683294 No.675888

>>675864

OP here. Please go away Protestant heretic. This thread is not for you. No Protestants allowed on this thread.

Christanon 07/16/18 (Mon) 11:19:13 067805 No.675996

>>675856

Yes, but Dulia is not strictly religious. Dulia is honor reverence paid to anyone on account of any kind of excellence or in stricter sense reverence of a servant for his lord, for dulia signifies servitude. When you respect your parents, it's dulia. When you salute general, it's dulia. When you bow your head to your boss on the street, it's dulia.

>>675864

Calivin the fag is wrong, as always.

Where there are different aspects of that which is due, there must needs be different virtues to render those dues. Now servitude is due to God and to man under different aspects: even as lordship is competent to God and to man under different aspects. For God has absolute and paramount lordship over the creature wholly and singly, which is entirely subject to His power: whereas man partakes of a certain likeness to the divine lordship, forasmuch as he exercises a particular power over some man or creature. Wherefore dulia, which pays due service to a human lord, is a distinct virtue from latria, which pays due service to the lordship of God. It is, moreover, a species of observance, because by observance we honor all those who excel in dignity, while dulia properly speaking is the reverence of servants for their master, dulia being the Greek for servitude.

Augustine says (De Civ. Dei x), that "the homage due to man, of which the Apostle spoke when he commanded servants to obey their masters and which in Greek is called dulia, is distinct from latria which denotes the homage that consists in the worship of God."

Christanon 07/16/18 (Mon) 11:27:27 f36c96 No.676000

You should only worship the Father and The Christ (but even then Christ humbles himself and prefers you pray to your Father), no offence mother Mary or the saints, but they weren't God and you shouldn't be praying or worshiping them.

Christanon 07/16/18 (Mon) 11:37:59 037e47 No.676003

>>676000

>You should only worship the Father and The Christ

Poor, neglected Holy Spirit

Christanon 07/16/18 (Mon) 11:45:33 f36c96 No.676005

>>676003

How do you even pray to the holy spirit? It sorta seems weird….I don't know if he wants to be glorified.

Christanon 07/16/18 (Mon) 12:58:49 a24ab1 No.676032

>>675856

This is incorrect. Reverence is worship only when given to a deity. Saints are not deities, so reverence given to them is not worship.

Christanon 07/16/18 (Mon) 14:21:42 7e842b No.676076

>>675856

Scripture commands all worship be to God alone

<I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

Christanon 07/16/18 (Mon) 14:34:25 9882ff No.676086

>>676076

God is quite content with sharing His Glory with moses (after which his face was shining). Jesus was also quite happy to share His glory to us in John 17:22. Why?

Because the verse that you told speaks of the idols and false gods of pagan myths.

Christanon 07/16/18 (Mon) 16:42:40 c962cc No.676160

>>676005

>"Who with The Father and The Son is worshipped and glorified."

Christanon 07/16/18 (Mon) 16:45:38 b7bd2a No.676162

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>>675856

saw this on another board.

its called cognitive dissonance.

Christanon 07/16/18 (Mon) 17:34:35 7e842b No.676180

>>676086

>being in the presence of God is the same as being worshipped

>the verse about idolatry is just about idolatry which is not what I'm doing because I said so

Christanon 07/16/18 (Mon) 17:55:17 771482 No.676192

>>676032

Every form of reverence is worship though, the OP is actually right.

Classical theology splits worship into worship of adoration (latria) and worship of veneration (hyperdulia and dulia).

Protestants, particularly Evangelicals, believe worship of adoration (latria) is simply singing hymns and listening to a sermon. While these do play important roles in worship of adoration (latria) they do not constitute it. What worship of adoration (latria) actually entails is the liturgy and the offering (or sacrifice) to God celebrated by a priest of God. This is worship of God, the absolute sacrificial reverence due to God alone. Protestants like Baptists have no true worship of God in their services since they lack true priests and a sacrifice. Maybe the best that could be said is that they only offer up a very soft adoration to God whereas Apostolics offer it up as what it actually is.

Then there is the worship of veneration (dulia), this is the kind of worship we give to the saints and we give Mary a heightened form of this worship deemed hyperdulia. And actually, as >>675996 said, worship of veneration (dulia) is not strictly religious, as simply bowing one's knee before a king is worship falling into the category of dulia, showing respect towards parents is worship falling into the category of dulia. The word worship is not strictly synonymous with adoration (latria) as it has so often come to be seen as the OP pointed out. Every single form of reverence shown to anyone is worship. Worship of adoration, which is sacrificial, given to anyone but God alone is idolatry. Worship of veneration is not idolatry as it is simple reverence to someone (like Mary) or something (like an icon) and it does not constitutes anything sacrificial which if it did then it would be idolatry.

But I guess I wouldn't really expect a Protestant to know all of this, especially a Baptist, considering the fact that you have absolutely no theology.