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>>673795

Vanity has no place here. Leave with your sinful narcissism of the flesh now.

>>673799

Why is being healthy and strong vanity?

>>673807

>Why is being healthy and strong vanity?

>bodybuilding

>healthy

We aren't talking about having strength or athleticism, we are talking about looking good. What is the purpose?

I wouldn't say that it is "unlawful" to be a Christian bodybuilder, but it is not beneficial.

> All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.

1 Corinthians 10:23

If you are being a bodybuilder for your own amusement, then this is not unlawful as long as you don't commit other sins in doing it.

>>673808

Bodybuilding doesn't necessarily mean "looking good". Pure semantics.

>>673795

I'd say it's alright. Getting strong and doing more good work in the name of our Lord.

>not turning Christianity into the faith of the Chads

These bods are as much tools of witness as your words are.

As long as you keep your focus on the Lord, and not on yourself I think it's fine.

>So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God. 1 Corinthians 10:31

Think of it as expressing God's glory through the feats of strength your body is able to perform / the size you are able to achieve, rather than doing it in order to change people's perception of yourself or to look good and impress people (which would fall under vanity as another poster pointed out)

Keeping this in mind I see no issue with it in a Christian context

>>673812

Thanks, that makes a lot of sense my friend

There's nothing wrong with being athletic and healthy to glorify God, but there's something about buying a lot of high protein food to bulk up, rather than buying food for the poor, that seems to make extreme Schwarzenegger style bodybuilding incompatible with Christianity.

>>673815

I would add two things to this:

1. It is not expedient to gorge yourself on food, both for weightlifting and the soul. You can only gain about 500grams of muscle per week or so, anything else will go to fat.

2. Concentrated whey protein is the cheapest form of protein available. Next are eggs. Hospitals have their own forms of powders they give to people when recovering.

>>673810

So, are manlets demonic?

works of the flesh do not glorify God

>>673822

What? No. I said tool, not a prerequisite for Christenhood. That said, look at soyboys…

>>673795

Seems fine as long as you don't become prideful

Report this useless thread, it is full of shit-talk and verbal masturbation.

>>673823

Got a scriptural citation for that one?

>>673799

>>673836

>Vanity has no place here. Leave with your sinful narcissism of the flesh now.

>Report this useless thread, it is full of shit-talk and verbal masturbation.

Pooh off yourself, heathen. Who are you, so ridden, to preach of pride?

>>673823

No one claimed it did.

Now stop making excuses for your sloth.

For what purpose?

>lift to maintain your body, the temple

>lift to become stronger in discipline

>lift to become a stronger father

Vs

>lifting for the vanity of self and others

>lifting to attract females (or worse, males) for fornication

Purpose gives meaning lads.

>>673841

This is all completely unrelated to christianity.

What next? Are we going to start threads about our favorite origami techniques?

Take your hobbies to a corresponding board, go back to /fit.

>>673848

Stop using the Lord as advertisement for your products!

Blasphemous!

>>673809

It's about being big. That's why at the bodybuilding competitions, they wear as little clothing as possible.

Weight lifting is one thing, but bodybuilding is vanity. Honestly too, I would advise helping elderly people w/ yardwork, picking up metal scraps and farming to get your workouts in. I still go on a run every now and then but I try to make most of my energy output actual physical labor, not meaningless

>>673869

Christianity encompasses human life. Asking how this hobby can be properly embedded in the Christian life is perfectly fine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscular_Christianity

>>673799

>>673836

>>673823

>>673869

Guys, guys, guys! You're all going about this the wrong way! If you really want to get this thread locked, and have all discussion of bodybuilding/fitness/etc. de facto forbidden on this board forever, there has already been proven and effective system devised for this very purpose!

Here's what you do:

Step 1: Report to the mods that you did image searches on Google/Bing/etc. based on bodybuilding, fitness, etc.

Step 2: Say to the mods that you are concerned that male Christians struggling with the passion of hetero lust/ or same sex attraction, or female Christians, may stumble upon images of shirtless muscled up men and tank-top yoga pants wearing women and thus be scandalized by passions of lust! (don't forget to emphasize that they may inadvertently stumble upon outright nudity or porn if they forget to turn on their Safe Search!)

Step 3: Mod proceeds to lock this thread with the following message/justification:

>Although the OP has good and wholesome intentions, some of the images of shirtless muscled up men, and women in tank tops and yoga pants, as found through Google searches related to bodybuilding, fitness and athleticism, are outright scandalous. Time and time again this board shows that as soon as bodybuilding and fitness is brought up, scandalous images of barely dressed men and women become a red thread.

>I cannot allow this thread to continue. Please, do not make another one.

Step 4: People in this thread will complain in the mod thread. From here you:

Step 5: Counter their passionate and reasonable protestations to your unreasonable views by calling them "idolators" of the hobby of bodybuilding/fitness. Condescendingly, tell them to stop acting like children throwing a temper tantrum, and that not always getting your way is part of life (even though you just got your way through the most underhanded and whiny manner possible!)

Step 6: Be sure to add a layer of sanctimoniousness by claiming that you "Are just concerned for the souls of fellow Christians." Don't forget to say that you will pray for them/pray the rosary for them, so that you can be especially holier than thou!

>>673848

Whats your dead lift at now?

>>673875

>there is no in between

>you either lift or you're slothful fat

You should get outside more often.

>>673795

You'll be reunited with your body on judgement day, so why not make it stronk and capable?

>>673974

Glorious

>>673795

Bodybuilding as a sport and hobby is a top-tier activity.

Bodybuilding to be merely a bodybuilding showing off is vanity.

If you want to do that at least become a strongman which curbs the vanity of the bodybuilding culture by looking bulky.

>>673795

Riddle me this. And it isn't about exercising. He is obviously on test in that picture, maybe something else as well. Why is he taking something, especially in the position that he is in, that will obviously increase his libido?

>>673974

<You'll be reunited with your body on judgement day

Wrong body tbh.

john 6:63

>It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

1 corinthians 15:44

>It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

1 corinthians 15:35-36

>But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?

>Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

Also to the whole thread, it is lawful to be into bodybuilding as long as you are doing it in the faith as anything not of faith is sin romans 14:26. Just remember the existence of 1 timothy 4:8

>For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come.

>>674063

If you lift for many years you can look like that naturally. Plus he looks short which helps.

If he's on anything it could just be low trt doses for health/mood/energy reasons. But who knows?

His size isn't out of proportion or anything.

>>673795

>I'm thinking of packing on some serious size now.

Is this a code word for steroids? If you don't have a prescription and its illegal otherwise, nope.

>>673964

Still the same. 170 now and pretty good shape, getting lots of mires.

>>673871

I didn't write these articles; I worked out before I came to the Lord and then read them. Really was asking the same questions as OP and these helped.

>>674092

We follow Christ in the resurrection, so we will be risen in our own bodies, just as He was.

By "spiritual body", they mean a body fully united with the spiritual will of man, free from the effects of original sin.

If it's done with the intention of being healthy, disciplining yourself, or becoming strong to help others, exercise is commendable.

If it's done with the intention of looking good, attracting attention, or something similar, it's vanity.

>>674164

<By "spiritual body", they mean a body fully united with the spiritual will of man,

>implying we should do anything besides the will of God

>ignoring the existence of john 4:23-24 and 1 corinthians 2:13-15 stating the natural man recieveth not the things of the Spirit of God

<free from the effects of original sin.

This is blatently wrong. hebrews 1:13-14

>But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

>Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

2 corinthians 11:13-15

>For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

>And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

>Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Satan, a ministering spirit/fallen angel who will die in the lake of fire in revelation 20:10,14-15 because the wages of sin are death romans 6:23, is a perfect example of why you are wrong. Satan never had a fleshly/physical/carnal body and was always spirit/angel since the beggining see john 8:44, hebrews 9:26, isaiah 14, revelation 11:8, and ezekiel 31. Yet he is still affected by sin, because the spiritual body and the physical body are seperate things yet both still have romans 6:23 applied. Which brings more meaning to verses like matthew 13:9

>Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

When you consider that these angels have a different body then humans since hebrews 2:7 states

>Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:

And clearly Jesus, a Spirit, was both flesh and Spirit since 1 john 5:6 exists

>This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

That's why God, a Spirit, was also flesh and why the water turning into wine is signifying God/the Spirit turning into red blood/flesh in john 2.

>>673841

>tfw anon has a whole folder full of korean girls labeled by their expressions

ask me how i know you shill for >tfw no asian gf in the relationship thread

also repent

>>674190

did adam have a physical body?

We're made in God's image and likeness, might as well train our bodily temples to peak physical condition.

>>674197

>did adam have a physical body

Yes see genesis 2:7

>And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Most people think that spirit is the same thing as soul, it is not. Animals/beasts have souls, and not spirit see ecclesasties 3:18-21, revelation 16:3, genesis 6:17, and 1 thesselonians 5:23.

In anycase you might wanna aspire to be sinewy rather than buff

>>673795

It depends on the intent. Why do you want to do it?

Bodybuilding has the goal of aesthetic, and thus often vanity and self-centered.

Nothing wrong with lifting for strenght though, it will also develop a fit and nice body but only as a secondary benefit and not as the main goal.

Of course letting the body decay into obesity is sinful (sloth).

Powerlifting is fine so long as you don't train for hours on end/have any delusions about your goals/have it as a big expense in your life/you care too much.

Bodybuilding as a natural is practically nonexistant and a very vain pursuit, yes you are better off just doing strength training. Bodybuilding on drugs is unfjustifiable not only as a christian (literally sterilising yourself and taking decades off your life for the sole purpose of worshipping your own physical body) but at any rate, seeing as the pay off (be larger and stronger for a shorter time frame, appear more intimidating/likeable to a SELECT group of people, naturally masculine men with big bones, lots of fast twitch muscle fibers, a far healthier mentality and a decent BF% will always one up you) and for that you sacrifice your whole lifestyle, social life, time, and yes, wallet.

>>674092

My bad tbh. I still think becoming strong is a good thing, so long as you don't value yourself and your body over God and prayer

Nah youre fine. Every man should strive to be fit and as for bodybuilding, it can be a hobby. What was it Socrates said? It is sad if a man lives to old age and never see the beauty of his human body. You can also celebrate God's creation by doing it, dedicate every session to God and theres no way youll falter! Always be humble about it.

>>673795

if its for vanity and purely to attract women then yes, however if you are doing it to be ready for the trying times ahead then its not at all

Who be more fitted to defend a family from an invader, a soylent or a well toned and disciplined man

>Not calling the thread /crossfit/

Come on, man.

>>673799

bodybuilding < powerlifting

:-)

>>676885

Bishop Barron says yeah.

I don't see any reason it would be unlawful, our bodies are a gift from the lord and it's only fair that we take care of them and enjoy them

Don't indulge in vanity, i.e., looks and so on. Otherwise vid related

>>673795

> Is it lawful to be Christian and into bodybuilding?

Yes /thread

> I enjoy working out and I'm thinking of packing on some serious size now.

Please don't. Do you really want to spend hours torturing yourself and eating synthetic supplements just to look like a muscle mutant? That can't be healthy. Just work out normally and your body will grow as much as it needs, there is no need to go beyond what it natural.

>>673795

For health reasons and for the usefulness of the strength and for mortification, yes. Even for simple enjoyment of it it can be licit.

For vanity, no.

>>673795

If you lift to bloat your ego, yes. If you lift for health it's okay. Also, no need for protein shakes or whatever supplements and excessive work outs for christian lifters.

>>677060

>that is not a cloth wrapped around him, that's his own skin.

Thanks for the info, I was wondering what was going on with that statue.

Blessed Bartholomew, intercede for us.

>>677060

That's creepy af.