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>It was told him besides how they destroyed and brought under their dominion, all other kingdomes and isles that at any time resisted them.

>12 But with their friends, and such as relied upon them they kept amitie: and that they had conquered kingdomes both farre and nigh, insomuch as all that heard of their name were afraid of them.

>13 Also that whom they would helpe to a kingdome, those raigne, and whom againe they would, they displace: finally that they were greatly exalted.

>14 Yet for all this, none of them wore a crowne, or was clothed in purple to be magnified thereby.

>15 Moreo'er how they had made for themselves a senate house, wherin three hundred and twentie men sate in counsell daily, consulting alway for the people, to the end they might be wel ordered

>16 And that they committed their government to one man every yeere, who ruled o'er all their countrie, and that all were obedient to that one, and that there was neither envy, nor emulation amongst them.

>17 In consideration of these things Judas chose Eupolemus the sonne of John, the sonne of Accas, and Jason the sonne of Eleazar, and sent them to Rome to make a league of amitie and confederacie with them,

>18 And to intreate them that they would take the yoke from them, for they saw that the kingdome of the Grecians did oppresse Israel with servitude

>19 They went therefore to Rome (which was a very great journey) and came into the Senate, where they spake and said,

>20 Judas Maccabeus with his brethren, and the people of the Jewes, have sent us unto you, to make a confederacie, and peace with you, and that we might be registred, your confederats and friends.

>>672831

I was seriously like wtf when I read this out of maccabees. The roman fanboy in me was very happy seeing all this… but the fact that its talking about the republic and not the empire soured it a bit.

Regardless, i’m not sure you should be taking roman imperialism as doctrinal, as much as I would like it to be. Remember this is old testament, and as christians we follow the new testament, which very much outlines the role romans played in the death of Our Lord and His people. This part of Maccabees seems to me like it is saying morso “not all gentiles are bad” in preperation for the shedding of the ceremonial law.

Romans were never purified of their sins or paganism until Constantine anyway.

…for the record:

…this scripture, and this book of the Bible is found in the Septuagint and the Roman Catholic as well as Orthodox Bibles and KJV 1611

it was removed from most Protestant Bibles at Geneva in the days of John Calvin and the other folks who worked on the Geneva Bible

…it is part of the texts in those Bibles that are commonly called "apocrypha"

interestingly, the Jews have never included the "apocrypha" (Greek texts of the Jews) in their Tanakh

if I'm not mistaken, I think the "tanakh" was compiled for the Jewish religion a few hundred years after Christ or so….perhaps by the Essenes or the same groups of people who worked on the Talmud….not sure on my Jewish history

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocrypha

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1_Maccabees

>>672860

>Remember this is old testament, and as christians we follow the new testament,

You gnostards get the rope.

>>672870

>it was removed from most Protestant Bibles at Geneva in the days of John Calvin and the other folks who worked on the Geneva Bible

Even Luther's opponents didn't believe that these uninspired books were canonical, but they needed to use them for (late) traditional purposes.

>>672898

if you're swiss