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Without the Rosary, without gazing upon the mysteries of God with one tenth of the depth that Mary gazes upon them, I never would have had the strength to hold onto God till the end. Pray that others may know this sweeteness.

>>670459

True.

t. 19yo Baptist

I’ve found this website to be more informative and helpful: http://sicutincaelo.org/b_rp.html

It also allows you to print out pamphlets to distribute. Also don’t forget to pray the rosary daily!

The luminous mysteries of the most holy Rosary which were instated by St. Pope John Paul II. are not "modernism" and a "post-V2 invention" as many like to call - or rather: slander - them and they have not been invented by St. Pope John Paul II.

They were partially thought of by St. Louis Grignion himself, later to be expanded on and proposed by St. George Preca on Malta in 1957.

St. Pope John Paul II. had several reasons to instate them as teaching. First of all, they are beautiful in and of themselves - there's no arguing that. Secondly, they contain the Sacraments (in order of the mysteries):

I. Baptism

II. Marriage

III. Confession/Last Rites(Anointing of the sick)

IV. Confirmation

V. The utmost holy Eucharist.

In a time where many Christians, many Catholics stopped believing in the Sacraments and their importance, in particular the importance and uniqueness of each and every marriage between a man, a woman and their bond with God and its importance, forgot about their baptisms and acts of confirmation and the importance and meaning of that (and to this day, Pope Francis didn't encourage everyone for no reason to find out their dates of Baptism and celebrate it as the second day of birth), the importance of a confession and therefore the teachings on sin, but most worringly, stopped believing in the real presence of the Lord in the utmost holy Eucharist - in that time the Pope decided that it was time to remind everyone through the sword that we have, because satan can not withstand it, and so can't his pathetic tries to destroy the Church.

So you better humble yourself before you plan to say no good about the luminous mysteries of the most holy Rosary.

>>670577

IV. Confirmation and Holy Orders*

>>670459

Luminous mysteries were a respectable eastern european traditions.

I don't like they were forced into the standard rosary but they were not invented out of nowhere.

If you pray only 5 decades a day, today's are the Mysteries of the Light or alternatively the Joyful mysteries.

Remember to pray your daily Rosary. From 5 decades to open end, everything goes. But do it. It can just be as little as 20 minutes every day. You can't say you don't have them when you browse this board :^)

>>670795

So why won't you talk about it ? Just posting links is lame. Unless you respond decently in the next 24 hours, I'll ask mods to delete this, because you are literally contributing nothing.

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Other than that, it's Friday my friends - the day Christ was nailed to the Cross and died. Today is abstinence from meat and we pray the

Sorrowful Mysteries

i.e.,

=> The Agony in the Garden

=> The Scourging at the Pillar

=> The Crowning with Thorns

=> The Carrying of the Cross

=> The Crucifixion

(http://www.rosary-center.org/sorrow.htm)

for those lads praying "only" 5 decades every day.

God bless you.

>>671235

The Sorrowful Mysterious always had the greatest impact on me.

>>671257

I guess that depends on the person but yeah, same goes for me. It were the sorrowful mysteries with which I had an incredible intense experience - which made me repent in the long run and come to the Church.

Although I didn't deserve it, God pulled me out of the spiritual sewage through the Rosary and I couldn't be more thankful for this. He unironically saved my life. Therefore I want to spread His sword as much as I can.

Brainlet question: is it Okay to pray the rosary if you're non-denominational? I like having a set prayer routine, but I'm concerned about being sacreligious by mistake. Thanks and God Bless.

>>671342

Of course you can. The most holy Rosary is a weapon and a tool for conversion as much as it is a way of teaching people about Christ. Maybe it'll result in you coming to the flock and that'd be absolutely awesome. But in any way, praying the Rosary is advised - for anyone - because it will bring you closer to Christ as it teaches His life, workings, death, resurrection and beyond very "compactly" if you will.

So a big big yes, go for it ! :D

Good day, friends. Today is Saturday and we pray the

Glorious Mysteries

or

Joyful Mysteries

(depending on whether you pray the luminous mysteries [joyful], or not [glorious]).

The glorious mysteries are

=> The Resurrection of Christ

=> The Ascension of Jesus into Heaven

=> The Descent of the Holy Spirit

=> The Assumption of the Blessed Virgin into Heaven

=> The Coronation of the Blessed Virgin

and the joyful mysteries are

=> The Annunciation

=> The Visitation of the Blessed Virgin to St. Elisabeth

=> The Nativity of Christ

=> The Presentation of Christ in the Temple

=> The Finding of Christ in the Temple

Browsing for more information on the Rosary, devotion to Mary and so on, I've found this incredible webpage which is basically a fully comprehensible guide to the Rosary. It includes all info on the mysteries (not the comforting ones though), history, promises of it, Fatima and so on and so forth. It's tremendously good and I want to share it with you: http://www.theholyrosary.org/index

God bless !

Today we pray the

Glorious Mysteries

which contain:

=> The Resurrection of Christ

=> The Ascension of Christ into Heaven

=> The Descent of the Holy Spirit

=> The Assumption of Mary into Heaven

=> The Coronation of Mary

God bless !

The first time I prayed rosary was before a daily Mass, it creeped me out from the repitition and the fact that I was sorrounded by old people. I think people are initially put off by its outward appearance. One of the purposes of the rosary is to contemplate the mysteries in prayer or to offer up prayers for a specific intention, once you get past the rote repitition the door opens up for you.

>>672318

Indeed that's what many are objecting to, especially protestant types. If only people would read "Secret of the Rosary" by St. Louis Grignion de Montfort and try to understand what it's all about.

The Rosary is a, if not the most important, Marian devotion - revealed by the Blessed Virgin Herself (etc., see OP). But it's so much more:

First of all the Ave Maria prayer is not just "any prayer", it is the Angelic Salutation, the words of St. Gabriel himself praising the Trinity through praising Mary. It contains the greeting St. Elisabeth had for Mary at the Visitation (Blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus) and a bidding from us normie people to the Blessed Virgin to ask her Son things for us as she administers the Graces that flow from Christ. This is the framework. 10 Hail Mary's, a decade, per mystery. Every decade is encapsulated by the minor Doxology (Glory Be), if you want the Fatima prayer revealed by Our Holy Mother herself, and the Our Father.

The Our Father itself is the perfect prayer. It was authored by God Himself, who then proceeded to teach it to His Apostles and ultimately His whole flock. In the Beginning we still have the Apostolic Creed, which is the whole Christian faith condensed by the holy councils into a prayer of a few lines.

I mentioned that the decades of the Rosary are the framework. What that means is this: We don't just say the Hail Mary's and that's it. We meditate the mysteries of the Rosary. I have already mentioned the mysteries of the birth, life, death and beyond of Christ in this thread, for example here >>671235 and here >>671713. The Luminous Mysteries contain:

=> The Baptism of the Lord through St. John the Baptist

=> The Lord Revealing Himself at the Wedding of Cana

=> The Proclamation of the Kingdom of God and the Call to Repentance by the Lord

=> The Transfiguration of the Lord

=> The Institution of the Most Holy Eucharist by the Lord.

The key is that the decades are, as I already mentioned, the framework for the meditation on the mysteries itself. They carry the meditation if you will. They help you putting the focal point of your meditation right unto the mysteries. So that you not only glorify the Lord and honor the Blessed Mother but mainly put your focus on Christ. With every mystery, every single Ave Maria, you dive deeper into the life of Christ, knowing Him better and better.

Now, some say we do contemplate, i.e., "observe", the mysteries and what they are about. That, however, is not entirely right. What we do is we meditate them - that's all we can do - because contemplation is something that God grants us. The best way to do this meditation is the way of St. Teresa of Avila: the imaginative way. Like a little child you try to see what is happening, imagine the smells, the feelings, did it rain or did the sun burn, was it hot or cold, humid or dry, and so on and so forth. Eventually God might grant the vision of what really happened.

In the end you can also add other prayers such as the Salve Regina, the St. Michael's prayer (only the short version tho), the Litany of the Blessed Mother and so on and so forth. But that is optional. The "hard core" are the five prayers as mentioned in OP.

>>671235

>stop posting links to relevant and interesting information

lol

>>672373

Yes. Because that was neither relevant nor interesting. It were just random links without explanation, i.e., no basis for any discussion. Elaborate on them or leave this thread.

>>672374

obviously i've already read the content, i posted them in hopes that others would do the same, creating a "discussion".

>>672376

I had the post deleted. I'm fine when you post those links, but elaborate on them. I'm not going to tolerate people just dropping a link or two without saying the tiniest bit about them or why they would be relevant.

>>670583

Just the original 3 thirds are enough to be part of the company of the Rosary as said by St Maria G d Montfort, getting the promises

>>672350

How do people actually get to the point where they can meditate on the mysteries without thinking about the words of the prayer? I still need to read from a card to remember the words for each prayer, let alone be able to think about the mysteries while I do so

>>672471

That's entirely right. The luminous mysteries are beautiful and very educational, but there is no obligation to include them. The Confraternity of the Rosary writes this on their page. Until there is some official teaching or statement from the Church regarding the obligation of these mysteries you are free to pray the Rosary with or without them and yet receive the promises.

Obviously they recommend praying them (for reasons I've stated throughout the thread), but yes - not binding (yet :P).

>>672616

As you're saying: You still didn't memorize the prayers by heart. Once you have them fully memorized, you will be able to say them without putting focus on saying them and without having to worry that you may say them in a wrong way.

Once this is "automated" so to speak, you will be able to go into the meditation thoroughly.

What you can do, regardless, is that even when you have to read them - put a picture in front of you. The site I linked above, http://www.theholyrosary.org/index, has a "Gallery"-tab. There you find pictures for every single mystery. You can put them in front of you for each mystery and just gaze and say the prayers in between. Try it - it helps a lot in the beginning.

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Other than that, good morning in Euroland. Today is Monday and so we are praying the

Joyful Mysteries

>>672688

Thanks for the advice, I’ll try to pray the rosary more slowly next time.

What is your opinion on Orthodox variations on the Rosary? Have you ever prayed them yourself?

http://spokaneorthodox.com/rosary.html

http://www.bombaxo.com/blog/files/rule.pdf

>>672688

>tfw read account of their death in today's Divine Office

How could Dutch winnie the pooh up so bad?

>>672798

Interesting that Western Rite "orthodoxy" uses it too. It's basically just the normal Rosary with small variations in prayer - although that "reading scripture at every bead of a decade" is a bit unusual, tho not forbidden to do i would assume at least. But I imagine that (unless one has it all memorized) it can be pretty disruptive to do that as meditation requires focus which is distorted even by reading Scripture. Better to read the whole passage before the Our Father and then meditate it.

The rule of Theotokos by (ortho) St. Seraphim of Sarov is a beautiful prayer rule - but it's not the Rosary. It's "like" the Rosary, but not quite. It's a bit "more" Mary-focused so to speak. For example you don't consider the Crucifixion itself, but how the Holy Mother sat at the foot of the Cross etc.. Not that that's bad, don't get me wrong.

The major difference is that the Rosary as is (minus the luminous mysteries I'd suppose) has been revealed/instated by the Holy Mother herself to St. Dominic and has been brought to mind again and again not only by Her but Christ Himself (see opening post) - the rule of Theotokos began as Marian psalter (150 Angelic Salutations), just like earlier forms of prayer rules leading to the Rosary. The rest has been added over the centuries.

What the first link writes is only half right. As I said, the Rosary as is has been revealed/instated by divine matters. It is, however, true that earlier forms of Marian devotion that kinda lead to the Rosary did exist and evolve. Now I'm not a scholar on the history but in the video I linked in OP, Fr. Don Calloway explains it very profoundly (embed related). The Rosary is more divine than it is human - for fact. The problem with orthodox Christians writing about this matter is always this (sometimes more sometimes less) subtle anti-Catholicism, or anti-"Rome-ism" that they can't let go. Therefore sometimes you read "they say it's divinely revealed, HOWEVER something something".

Matter of fact is …. well as I said, I'm not a scholar on its history, I just promote it. The video contains a lot of interesting info - also satan's fight against it. It's a great watch - even for non-Catholics.

God bless

>>672333

Sadly no, but it looks tremendous. But I guess they're pretty expensive, so I'll stick to my free/cheap things for now :D

EWTN had a recording of people reciting the rosary on last night and I loved listening to it as I drove through the woods home. The quality was poor because the trees were blocking the signal, which already originates some distance away from where I was, so it was neat to listen to it with a little bit of fuzz and the occasional chords from a country music station interrupt momentarily at random intervals.

A question now: it wouldn't be wrong or out of place for me, as an Orthodog, to pray the rosary would it?

>>672882

Absolutely not. As I wrote before ITT, the Rosary is not bound to the Church as in: only a Catholic can recite it, so to speak. Anyone can - and is encouraged that they should - pray it.

It's people making it a "denominational" thing - meanwhile they forget the actual purpose of the Rosary. One could almost say some are tricked into being a bit prideful when it comes to it but they must not forget that this weapon was forged to annihilate evil - and that should be the aim of any Christian, right ?

Also today is Tuesday. Therefore we recite the

Sorrowful Mysteries

God bless

>>673040

Thank you for the reply, that's what I thought would be the case. I'll be honest, it was from my protestant, anti-Catholic days that I was wondering about if it was a "denominational thing".

>>673109

I meant, how could they be so bad at hanging people. Hang them by putting rope in the mouth, seriously?

>>673040

>>673132

What a nice video :)

Do people in this thread pray the rosary on there own, or do they pray with a group? I just pray by myself.

>>673437

Alone, the only rosary group at my church is a bunch of old ladies and it would be kind of awkward to join them

>>672882

>A question now: it wouldn't be wrong or out of place for me, as an Orthodog, to pray the rosary would it?

i think most Spritual fathers would advise against it, the prayer is fine but the "meditations" can lead to a sentimentalism not part of Orthodox spirituality

Good morning everyone. Today is Thursday so we either recite the

Luminous Mysteries

or the

Joyful Mysteries

God bless !

Praise be to God, thanks for all your posting!

Where can I buy a nice rosary?

>>674989

If you're coming from the German-speaking realm, here: https://www.vivat.de/shop/

If you're from UK, for example this: https://www.catholicgiftshop.co.uk/rosary_beads (ships worldwide)

If you're from the American continent, you can get one for free here: https://streetevangelization.com/spse-store/product/free-rosary-gospel-pack/

In general, however, you could maybe ask your priest - chances are he has some in stock or to spare for you to get into this incredibly awesome prayer.

Short note: You don't need a rosary to pray the Rosary. You can pray it with your knuckles, too, for example.

God bless !

>>675088

don't necessarily need*

>>675099

Sure, I don't see why (k)not (heh). I've got 2 myself (short and thin ones with 50 knots).

As I said above: The thread is of course mainly about the Rosary and it shall keep staying that way - but also things in some (even distant) way related to it, and I have it open for discussion obviously. The only thing I don't tolerate - which that one particular guy doesn't seem to understand - is when you just post a pic or link without even the tiniest bit of information. That's disruption for me and, thus, breaks rule 2.

Talking about the komboskini/tchotky - and I can't contribute alot to it, because tho I have two, I use them only for rare occasions for meditation on the Jesus-prayer - is absolutely alright. Might as well take the opportunity to invite the orthodox and oriental brethren to this thread if we open it up a bit as kind of "prayer rope general" jej. (main topic, however, is the Rosary !)

>>675103

Cool, in all honesty I've never used the rosary (I'm reformed baptist), but I use my prayer ropes on occasion (I should use them more often).

I pray the Jesus prayer with my 100 knot, and do some doctrinal meditations/prayers with my 30 knot.

>>675125

What's stopping you from using a rosary, mate?

Henlo lads. Today is the Lord's day, the day of Christ's resurrection - therefore we pray the

Glorious Mysteries

Fun fact: The seventh promise of Our Lady of the Rosary is that no one that devotes himself entirely to the most holy Rosary will die a sudden death and without having received the Sacraments of Reconciliation and Penance (or: Last Rites or: the utmost holy Eucharist).

God bless !

The promises connected to the most holy Rosary:

1 Whoever shall faithfully serve me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall receive powerful graces.

2. I promise my special protection and the greatest graces to all those who shall recite the Rosary.

3. The Rosary shall be a powerful armor against hell, it will destroy vice, decrease sin, and defeat heresies

4. It will cause virtue and good works to flourish; it will obtain for souls the abundant mercy of God; it will withdraw the hearts of people from the love of the world and its vanities, and will lift them to the desire of eternal things. Oh, that souls would sanctify themselves by this means.

5. The soul which recommends itself to me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall not perish.

6. Whoever shall recite the Rosary devoutly, applying Himself to the consideration of its Sacred Mysteries shall never be conquered by misfortune. God will not chastise Him in His justice, he shall not perish by an unprovided death; if he be just, he shall remain in the grace of God, and become worthy of eternal life.

7. Whoever shall have a true devotion for the Rosary shall not die without the Sacraments of the Church.

8. Those who are faithful to recite the Rosary shall have during their life and at their death the light of God and the plentitude of His graces; at the moment of death they shall participate in the merits of the Saints in Paradise.

9. I shall deliver from purgatory those who have been devoted to the Rosary.

10. The faithful children of the Rosary shall merit a high degree of glory in Heaven.

11. You shall obtain all you ask of me by the recitation of the Rosary.

12. All those who propagate the Holy Rosary shall be aided by me in their necessities.

13. I have obtained from my Divine Son that all the advocates of the Rosary shall have for intercessors the entire celestial court during their life and at the hour of death

14. All who recite the Rosary are my children, and brothers and sisters of my only Son, Jesus Christ.

15. Devotion of my Rosary is a great sign of predestination.

Also today is monday and so we recite the

Joyful Mysteries

God bless !

How do you guys pray the Rosary, as in speaking? I usually just do quite whispers.

>>676341

The Rosary is one of the most powerful prayers against demons.

>One day a colleague of mine heard the devil say during an exorcism: "Every Hail Mary is like a blow on my head. If Christians knew how powerful the Rosary was, it would be my end."

>>676355

The Bible is only one tradition. It isn't the be all end all of Christian doctrine.

>>676356

Nope. Why do you ask?

>>676355

>dont you think something that important would have been recorded in the bible?

What like

>Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with with thee

>Blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb

Yeah why did they leave that out.

The Lord also cast out demons by His own power. We don't have that, which is why we have to use prayer.

>>676357

>Divine revelation is only one tradition. It isn't the be all end all of Christian doctrine.

>>676366

>think about it, if it wasnt, why encourage its spread (speaking as a catholic) only after tyndales crucifixion for doing the same thing that the catholics did with the douay rheims authorized by them!

Because Tyndale attacked private property, denied the Real Presence and the authority of the Church, and denied the importance of any of the sacraments except baptism. He wasn't some good egg who slipped up a bit, he deliberatley undermined the church.

There is also a difference between some random priest unilaterally deciding to translate scripture and then use it to justify his own perversion of the Faith, and the Holy Church commissioning a translation which is intended to help evangelise and catechise those who wish to understand it more. This was a lesson learned from Germany when it because apparent to the Church that many people actually went over to Lutheranism simply because they couldn't tell the difference between what Luther taught and what the Church did.

>theres nothing innately special about mary other than she was conceived while a virgin until she gave birth to Christ, and she was from the tribe of judah. both of these are prophecies that needed to have been fulfilled. and they were.

That's already pretty special, my man.

>has NOTHING to do with sumerian folklore about semiramis, dude. your virgin mary worship is suspiciously similar to pagan canaanite religion.

<t. average YT comment

>>676366

>actually i believe that it is.

That's pretty dumb because Jesus never ordered his teachings be written down and even the apostles were in no rush to make a written record. It was only after they started dying that the Christian communities realized that they needed to write down the apostles accounts for future generations, leading to the gospels.

Scripture is important, but it is tradition that gives scripture it's weight and meaning. Without tradition scripture is just fanfiction and you might as well be discussing Harry Potter with your bookclub. It's the teachings passed down through apostolic succession which lets us know the meaning of the scriptures.

>>676366

>theres nothing innately special about mary

Apart from being the mother of Jesus Christ who walked the earth as God incarnate. No biggie. Did you know Jesus performed his first miracle based on the intercession of Mary? It's true!

>On the third day there was a wedding at Cana in Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there. Jesus also was invited to the wedding with his disciples. When the wine ran out, the mother of Jesus said to him, “They have no wine.” And Jesus said to her, “Woman, what does this have to do with me? My hour has not yet come.” His mother said to the servants, “Do whatever he tells you.”

>Now there were six stone water jars there for the Jewish rites of purification, each holding twenty or thirty gallons. Jesus said to the servants, “Fill the jars with water.” And they filled them up to the brim. And he said to them, “Now draw some out and take it to the master of the feast.” So they took it. When the master of the feast tasted the water now become wine, and did not know where it came from (though the servants who had drawn the water knew)

Why did Jesus turn the water into wine? Because Mary asked him to. Even though he said "It is not yet my time", and his ministry had not actually begun yet Jesus performed the miracle because his mother asked (prayed) to him to do so. Mary acting as intercessor was established right there and then when Jesus went out of his way to do something for her sake that he would've refused anyone else (He would've said "Not yet my time" and wouldn't have done it, yet for Marys sake he did)

>>676394

>we should give glory to her for asking for something?

Yes.

>and what about the dagon fish hats that your “pope” wears? you know what happened to the philistinians who worshipped dagon when they took the arc? they got emerods on their genitals.

<t. youtuber

>>676394

Hey numb nuts, read the rules. This thread is about Rosary discussion, not debating Catholic theology. Just make a thread about that instead of shitting this one up.

>>676334

It depends, honestly. When I know I'm tired for whichever reason but want to devote my time nonetheless, I usually speak normally. When I know I will be going "ham", meditating etc., then I'll use earplugs and whisper silently, if at all - for minimum self-distraction while meditating, if that makes sense.

It’s good to know that shitposts are being deleted, also is posting pictures of our rosarys allowed?

>>676681

Just when I thought this thread finally had peace

>>676679

The mods and I try to make sure to keep the thread clean. Also yes, go well ahead and post your Rosary !

>>676688

You forgot to announce that today we recite the Sorrowful mysteries, but it’s fine. For those anons that still have a Tuesday, we recite the Sorrowful mysteries.

>>676979

Thanks! I don’t know what material it is specifically, but I think it’s plant material like wood.

>>677105

Very nice Icon!

>>677105

>>677275

Do images of Our Lady of Guadalupe count as icons? I always thought that was more of an Eastern European thing

Also don't forget to pray the Rosary

>>677315

Icon is image of thing. Eastern-style icons are not all icons.

>>675392

Mostly its association with prayers offered to Mary which I do not believe are valid not here to fight about it.

>>677382

The Hail Mary is not a prayer to Mary. Let me quote myself from above ITT:

>First of all the Ave Maria prayer is not just "any prayer", it is the Angelic Salutation, the words of St. Gabriel himself praising the Trinity through praising Mary. It contains the greeting St. Elisabeth had for Mary at the Visitation (Blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus) and a bidding from us normie people to the Blessed Virgin to ask her Son things for us as she administers the Graces that flow from Christ.

That is: St. Gabriel - first part - St. Elisabeth - second part - our bidding to pray for us - third part. You don't need to object, because there is nothing to object in first place. Additionally, it is worthy to venerate Mary as she is the God-bearer, the pinnacle of Creation, the destroyer of evil - the champion over satan, particularly.

Of course, if you prefer other things, go for them as praying the Rosary is not bound under pain of sin. But as it is divinely revealed (see first few of my posts), it is very much advised to do so as it is the weapon against evil and to grow in holiness.

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Other than that: Today is Thursday so we either recite the

Luminous Mysteries

or the

Joyful Mysteries

depending on whether you include the Luminous Mysteries or not.

God bless !

>>677402

>The Hail Mary is not a prayer to Mary.

Sorry, but I just can't buy that especially since you yourself said "our bidding to pray for us - third part".

As you said this isn't a debate thread so I won't stink it up any more.

Are the Luminous mysteries acceptable to pray? I've heard they're illegitimate since they're post Vatican II

>>677952

See posts >>670577 and >>670578

>>677886

The primary problem I have with this articles is its deference of the Hail Holy Queen which, in all frankness, still smacks of more than simply honoring Mary as a most blessed woman, and I could not say it in a good conscience.

It also uses Revelation 5:8 to argue that the Elders in Heaven offer the prayers of the saints to God as incense. I don't see how they can get out of this the idea that we ask the Elders to pray for us, and then they offer their own prayers to God for us. It seems more likely to me that the elders are simply passing along our prayers which are address directly to God.

I also really disagree with Revelation 12 being used as support for the assumption of Mary though that is a small problem, and I'm indifferent to the doctrine of the assumption.

>>678311

>its deference of the Hail Holy Queen

*its defense of the Hail Holy Queen

>>675125

>I use my prayer ropes on occasion (I should use them more often).

>I pray the Jesus prayer with my 100 knot, and do some doctrinal meditations/prayers with my 30 knot.

Maybe you should see what your elders think of that.

>>678409

Whats wrong with using a prayer rope?

>>678311

I mean if the Salve Regina is your objection, it's an optional prayer, not mandatory. The Rosary is the Creed, Our Father's, Hail Mary's, Glory Be's and the Sign of the Cross. All other prayers are additional. Of course, the Fatima-prayer (Oh my Jesus ….) is good to say as it was requested by the Holy Mother. But that still doesn't make it a mandatory prayer at all - even less so the Salve Regina as I already said. I mean if it's really that one prayer keeping you from praying the most holy Rosary. Just sayin'

>>678604

>what's wrong with using a physical object to pray repetitiously

Gee anon idunno, maybe you should speak to your elders about this and learn more about Reformed worship

>>678630

>using a physical object to pray

To keep track of your prayer, and to keep you moving along.

>pray repetitiously

<Psalms 136:1-26

(1)  O give thanks unto the LORD; for he is good: for his mercy endureth for ever.

(2)  O give thanks unto the God of gods: for his mercy endureth for ever.

(3)  O give thanks to the Lord of lords: for his mercy endureth for ever.

(4)  To him who alone doeth great wonders: for his mercy endureth for ever.

(5)  To him that by wisdom made the heavens: for his mercy endureth for ever.

(6)  To him that stretched out the earth above the waters: for his mercy endureth for ever.

(7)  To him that made great lights: for his mercy endureth for ever:

(8)  The sun to rule by day: for his mercy endureth for ever:

(9)  The moon and stars to rule by night: for his mercy endureth for ever.

(10)  To him that smote Egypt in their firstborn: for his mercy endureth for ever:

(11)  And brought out Israel from among them: for his mercy endureth for ever:

(12)  With a strong hand, and with a stretched out arm: for his mercy endureth for ever.

(13)  To him which divided the Red sea into parts: for his mercy endureth for ever:

(14)  And made Israel to pass through the midst of it: for his mercy endureth for ever:

(15)  But overthrew Pharaoh and his host in the Red sea: for his mercy endureth for ever.

(16)  To him which led his people through the wilderness: for his mercy endureth for ever.

(17)  To him which smote great kings: for his mercy endureth for ever:

(18)  And slew famous kings: for his mercy endureth for ever:

(19)  Sihon king of the Amorites: for his mercy endureth for ever:

(20)  And Og the king of Bashan: for his mercy endureth for ever:

(21)  And gave their land for an heritage: for his mercy endureth for ever:

(22)  Even an heritage unto Israel his servant: for his mercy endureth for ever.

(23)  Who remembered us in our low estate: for his mercy endureth for ever:

(24)  And hath redeemed us from our enemies: for his mercy endureth for ever.

(25)  Who giveth food to all flesh: for his mercy endureth for ever.

(26)  O give thanks unto the God of heaven: for his mercy endureth for ever.

>>678723

>To keep track of your prayer, and to keep you moving along.

Might as well use a prayer wheel

John 4:24

<God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.

>Psalms 136:1-26

That is one prayer (not even, it's a worship song). Again, speak to your elders.

>>678734

>That is one prayer (not even, it's a worship song).

So its ok to repeat lines in a song, but not to repeat a prayer? Hmmm.

>>678756

Two things here. First of all, the difference is He said in Matthew 6 to pray in secret and not to pray using vain repetitions, as the heathens, for they think they shall be heard for their much speaking. It doesn't say never repeat yourself, but not to do this in prayer. Therefore finding a place where people are worshipping God using a song is not an instance of vain repetition like praying would be.

Second of all, Psalm 136 is nowhere near as repetitive in the first place. Maybe if all 26 verses were the same it would be comparable to what people do with the rosary in prayer. And we never see much speaking in prayer being rewarded, in fact it is spoken against in Matthew 6. They have their reward for doing so already.

Thanks for regularly updating this thread OP.

Today is monday and so we recite the

Joyful Mysteries

God bless !

Good afternoon everyone. Today is Tuesday so we recite the

Sorrowful Mysteries

Fun fact of the Rosary: Whenever the Rosary was (re-)revealed by the Holy Mother or Christ Himself - and, thus, brought to mission and attention broadly again, within approximately the next 50 years, the devil would unleash a tremendously vicious and large scale attack on it and the people reciting it.

God bless !

PS: Thanks for the heads up, I had a minor brainlag D:

>>679782

As long as you're not trying to show it off in some "look how pious and edgy I am" move, then it's fine. I've always felt that a Rosary should reflect a bit of its user.

>>679783

That's a nice way to think of it, anon

>>679875

*God bless !

Why did it take so long for this form of worship to be revealed?

>>670387

Not trying to break the no "muh vain repititions" rule, but was wondering, how is it not vain repitition?

>>679910

There's more to Matthew 6:7 than just "vain repetition".

But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions (empty phrases), as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. Jesus then gives us a prayer to repeat often. Surely the Lord's Prayer is not vain repetition!

Rejoice always, pray without ceasing, give thanks in all circumstances; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you. 1 Thess 5:16-18

>>679910

Don't worry. A question is alright. What I meant in OP is that sometimes someone will come in and be like "ye heathens muh vain repitition" etc.. That's what I'm forbidding.

>>679922

Furthermore, as I've written in the first few posts, the Hail Mary, tho of course prayer, is just the framework for the meditation (and if God willing and granting, contemplation) on the mysteries of the life of Christ.

>>679903

Fr. Don Calloway described it as weapon being forged over the course of the centuries. You must not forget that God does not reveal His truths all at once - He does it gradually. Other than that, that's a question only God might be able to answer sufficiently, I fear. I hope that works :s

God bless !

>>679922

Isn't there a difference between vain repetition and praying unceasingly? One is you're just repeating something someone told you to say and the other is just a long prayer that isn't repetitive.

>>679922

also unceasing prayer tend to be more organic than repetitive prayer.

>>679936

>>679938

Let me give you another example: Say, someone prays all 150 Psalms over the course of a week, every week. From a near perspective, that is absolutely not repetitive, but if you have a look at a broader time interval, you will see that praying all Psalms over and over again over the course of a week is repetitive as well - so much as if the praying someone can even start to feel the repetitiveness after some months or perhaps years.

No matter what you do, it WILL become repetitive unless you change your personal prayer rule every month. And even then, there are only so many prayers that you can say and the basis of many of those are the same base prayers (like the Ave Maria, PARTICULARLY [because it's so awesome and divinely authored] the Our Father and so on and so forth).

Pope em. Benedict XVI. said in a homily in 2008 that unceasing prayer as mentioned in 1 Thes 5 is less "saying a prayer all day every day". That certainly is not even possible for "average joe/jane" if you can follow me here. What it is more, is a general attitude of trying to constantly discern God's will in piety. Meditation is part of that - sometimes "active meditation" like many monastic orders practice (ora et labora which is "praying and working"). Being in silence is part of that, too - a very vital one even, as God reveals Himself in silence.

As for the most holy Rosary - it is less the 150/200 Ave Maria-prayers you say, but the silence, the meditation/contemplation and the proper inner disposition that makes it as incredible and powerful as it is - and that makes it anything but repetitive in the proper sense, if you know hat I mean.

God bless !

>>679955

I'm not Orthodox but I would disagree. The Rosary is a Catholic devotion, although people of other denominations are very welcome and encouraged to use it. He might be worried that praying the Rosary will draw you towards Catholicism and away from Orthodoxy, which I would think is a valid concern for someone who is supposed to be guiding you along the path of the Orthodox faith. The Orthodox have a way of praying that is very similar to the rosary, they use a prayer rope.

https://orthodoxwiki.org/Prayer_rope

From a Catholic perspective I can't see anything wrong with an Orthodox praying the Rosary, but you should probably listen to your spiritual father, even if his motivation is simply "Stay away from Catholic stuff or you might become one"

>>679957

Doing some more reading it seems like the Orthodox consider the Rosary to be a pre-schism tradition and therefore it should be valid for you

https://orthodoxwiki.org/Rosary

>Say the 'O Hail, Mother of God and Virgin..' one hundred and fifty times… This rule was given by the Mother of God herself in about the eighth century… We Orthodox have forgotten about it, and St. Seraphim has reminded me of this Rule. In my hands I have a hand-written book from the cell of St. Seraphim, containing a description of the many miracles which took place through praying to the Mother of God and especially through saying one hundred and fifty times the O Hail, Mother of God and Virgin… Whomever he spoke to about this miracle-working Rule remained grateful to him

>>679973

Just do the introductory prayers of morning/evening prayers such as the Trisagion and all that before the prayer rule. I don't know how that could be problematic - unless one would want to distort it, I guess.

Again, the Rosary is a Christ-prayer that happens to be carried by the Angelic salutation. Unless one never meditates the Mysteries, I don't see a chance that distortion could happen.

God bless !

>>680014

>What matters in prayer is your faith and love of God, not which words you use and in what order.

Ok, so why do you tell people to say a particular prayer 20-30 times and use beads to make sure you count the number of repetitions? You're saying the more repetitions is a greater effect, that much is obvious, and that it counts for praying. So if you say that more repetitions gives more effect, then therefore if you don't repeat it then it won't have the same effect, exactly as the heathen reasoned that they will be heard for their much speaking. Yet this repetition is called vanity and ought not be done, to do it anyway is an act of laying aside what Jesus said. And in turn, what this thread is.

>>680037

It's about aligning your heart to God. You're missing the point of the repetition, it's for the purposes of meditation and getting your mind in the right frame to connect with God. Orthodox monks pray the Jesus prayer constantly, they don't do this because they're afraid if they don't keep asking for mercy that Jesus won't give it, they do it so that their mind is focused wholly on God.

In short you're confusing the prayer itself with the real purpose of the repetition, which is to enter a meditative state where you can more easily discern Gods will.

Question, when you're contemplating the mysteries of the Rosary is it necessary to consider specific things on each bead? For example listed here each mystery has 10 different events/facts that I assume correspond to each Hail Mary. This is going to be a total pain in the ass to memorize if true.

http://www.rosary-center.org/luminous.htm

>>680091

Not really.

Some sites offer those kinds of lists to aid meditation, but you don't need to memorise them. The important point is the Mystery itself and you can focus on as much or as little as you like. If you are familiar enough with scripture though, a lot of them will come as second nature.

Despite how formulaic it seems, the Rosary is a very personal devotion and when it comes to the meditation, there is no real "right" way to do it, whether you like to use pictures, or scipture, or prompts, or things going on around you in your life that might relate to the mysteries even visualising yourself in the scenes themselves. The main point is earnest meditation on and communion with the Lord.

On a related note, I think it was St Alphonsus de Liguori that said that even if we find ourselves unable to focus during mental prayer, and spend 15-30 minutes doing nothing else than to stop our mind wandering, that in itself is a blessing, since it makes us realise how much more we need the Lord to help us.

Bump to remind y'all to pray the Rosary

>>670387

OP, you’ll forgot to mention that yesterday we had the Joyful Mysteries. If you can’t post today as well, we recite the Sorrowful Mysteries today, which for me has the greatest impact, especially for some reason on Friday of all the days of the week.

>>680747

Friday is probably the day which, for a Christian, most violently clashes with the ways of the world around us. While others treat this as a day of freedom, we use it to acknowledge our debt; where others turn outward to pursue pleasure/excitement, we turn inward to remember the suffering and death of our Lord. We're put at odds with the worldly, and this in itself is a sort of sacrifice.

Thanks be to God for moving us to remember Him on this day. May His blessings fall on each one of us as we pursue humble union with Christ and, through His goodness, greater unity among ourselves.

>>680765

Thanks for the explanation, helped me out

>>679875

Anon still isn’t here for some reason. Either way, if anyone is still in the thread we recite the Glorious Mysteries today on Saturday.

>>681043

Are you having troubles anon? If you're losing motivation I just wanted you to know this thread convinced me to try and pray the rosary daily and it really helped my faith. God bless

>>681043

Of course, we all are busy in life. I’ll try and keep the thread updated if you’re busy, telling others what Mystery we recite for the day.

Where can I get a good rosary? We usually have some people selling rosaries in front of the bigger churches, but I'm not sure if those are sturdy enough to last a long time.

>>681474

I posted it, here >>675088

God bless

>>681476

Thank you

>>681480

You're welcome

>>681668

I like that one. Will buy/10!

Does anyone here pray all 15 decades of the Rosary every day?I just watched the video here >>676246 and I want to try it out, though it takes me ~15-20 mins to pray 5 decades so that is an hour of rosary every day. Apparently it really helps with temptation though, and I need that help.

>>682082

I know this thread is mostly focused on the Rosary, but can we also have some topics about the Brown Scapular? I heard it’s a powerful thing to wear, something similar to a Rosary even though there is no prayer for it. I’ve been thinking about getting one.

>>682186

The rosary and the scapular are closely linked. Sister Lucia of Fatima said that "The rosary and the scapular are inseparable"

>>682197

Yes, I’ve read about that. I’m simply asking that even though this thread is mostly about the Rosary, if we may talk about the Brown Scapular here and there. Also here is useful website to learn about the Brown Scapular and to order one for yourself, it certainly helped me with faith.

http://www.freebrownscapular.com/index.html

>>682214

It's not as simple as just ordering one and wearing it though. You need to enroll in the brown scapular and get permission from a priest, you also have obligations to perform such as praying the rosary every day. It shouldn't be taken lightly, it's a lifelong obligation, you're essentially joining the society of Mount Carmel in religious life.

In short you need to be a seriously devoted Catholic if you want to wear the brown scapular. If you're a bit lukewarm I wouldn't recommend it, just wear the miraculous medal instead.

>>682082

>Bartolo Longo

>Saint of the depressed and anxious, who struggled with serious mental health issues in his youth

>Apostle of the rosary

>former satanic priest becomes a blessed servant of God

Thank you.

Thank you so much for introducing me to this man, you have no idea how much I needed to know this right now. God bless you anon.

God bless you all.

>>682221

I know, if I ever get one the next thing I do is finding a Carmelite Priest so he can enroll me in it, it even says it in the website. Also I’m trying to be devout, as I started praying the Rosary daily for almost a month and a half now. I would love to be apart of the Carmelite family, but yes I understand you. When I feel and know I’m devout enough, I’ll join it and take part in its obligations with joy.

>>682235

That is a lovely crucifix. Where did you get it?

>>682235

I know any priest can enroll you, but I prefer a Carmelite one due to their history with the Brown Scapular.

>>682258

It was a gift. I think it was purchased on Amazon, though.

>>682186

Sorry I missed your post. I mean as others wrote - the brown scapular and the Rosary are inseparable, and I made the thread with intentions for discussion about the Rosary itself but also facts, history and "things" related to or surrounding it. That, of course, includes the scapular. Also don't worry in general - unless something's super offtopic or breaks rule 2 (or the rules I set in OP), then it's absolutely alright to talk about. Otherwise I'll let people know - or simply have the posts deleted.

I wish you a great day and God bless !

>>682436

God bless you too, and thank you for your thread dedication!

Since today is Wednesday, we recite the

Glorious Mysteries

!

Quote of the day, by Pope Leo XIII.:

>The Rosary is the most excellent form of prayer and the most efficacious means of attaining eternal life. It is the remedy for all our evils, the root of all our blessings. There is no more excellent way of praying.

God bless !

>>682831

Where do you keep getting your quotes?

>>682898

Mostly Google tbqh. Those quotes are from books, treatises, biographies, letters, in case of Popes also from their documents (mostly encyclicals) and so on and so forth.

The rosary I ordered last month got lost in the mail. Satan is trying to prevent me from praying the rosary with everything he has.

>>683002

The Rosary is a tool with out without it you will find a way to pray it.

>>683258

So, can I get an explanation on how the Luminous Mysteries came to be? I just pray the Joyful Mysteries.

>>683469

Pope John Paul 2 added the Luminous Mysteries in his encyclical Rosarium Viginus Mariae. Because he added them after Vatican 2 and because there wasn't any discussion over it some people consider them to be illegitimate. Remember that the Rosary came from Heaven, it was taught to the church by Mary herself, some people believe that it's not within the abilities of even the Pope to change because it was revelation. Much like if the Pope suddenly decided to add a book to the Bible.

>>683471

Thanks for explaining, but how were they created? They couldn’t have came out of nowhere.

>>683527

You have a lot of Padre Pio icons, they really emphasize the Stigmata. Stigmata’s are actually an interesting topic to research about, which makes me think how would people here react if they ever woke up one day to find themselves with a Stigmata.

>>683758

>which makes me think how would people here react if they ever woke up one day to find themselves with a Stigmata.

Fear and trembling, and asking the Father what I feel would be the legitimate question of "why me of all your servants?" and wondering about my mental state.

>>684068

I feel like the rewards for praying the Rosary daily is really starting to get with me. I’m going through some stuff family wise, yet I have not lost faith and was able to create some what peace. Despite what’s going on with me, I really feel do I am being watched over and keeping faith.

>>684085

You can feel it having an incredibly positive impact on your life immediately, that's true. I hope your situation gets better by the day but that you at least find oases of peace and silence in praying the most holy Rosary !

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Other than that, today is the Lord's day ! God bless and also we recite the

Glorious Mysteries

!

Fun fact: If you struggle to meditate the mysteries while you're doing the vocal prayer, a great method is to say the Hail Mary and then, before you go on to the next prayer, take ~20-30 seconds to sit in silence and meditate - the time, temperature, smells, happenings, sounds etc. (see post >>672350). Then you go ahead with prayer, meditation, etc.. Even though that seems disruptive at first, practice has shown that it works well.

– by St. Louis Grignion de Montfort (and suggested by my good friend Gregorian-Only)

I wish everyone a blessed Sunday and God bless !

>>685013

Also short reminder, which I forgot :

Tomorrow, on the 8th of August, is the feast (and birthday) of St. Dominic !

>>685076

I don’t eat much, usage two meals a day. For a feast day are we permitted to eat more? I’m not very knowledgeable on feast days, so please explain.

>>685302

A feast day is a day of celebration so yes. Generally Every Friday and Wednesday is a day of fasting because it is the day our Lord was captured(Wednesday) and the day he died for us(Friday) this can be superseded however by days of celebration like Christmas, the Assumption, All Saints Day, and the Feasts of Saints that are important to you(St Patrick's Day for example even if it is generally forgotten by the masses.)

>>685309

Thank you for the explanation.

Today is Wednesday and, thus. we recite the

Glorious Mysteries

!

Quote of the day:

>Although this new hymn is in praise of the Mother of God and is sung directly to her, nevertheless it greatly glorifies the Most Blessed Trinity because any homage that we pay Our Lady returns inevitably to God Who is the cause of all her virtues and perfections. When we honor Our Lady: God the Father is glorified because we are honoring the most perfect of His Creatures; God the Son is glorified because we are praising His most pure Mother, and God the Holy Spirit is glorified because we are lost in admiration at the graces with which He has filled His Spouse.

– St. Louis Grignion de Montfort, Secret of the Rosary, Rose 16

God bless !

>>685440

Also before you go crazy on fasting.

>On a day of fasting Catholics may eat only one full meal during the day. Additionally, they may eat up to two small meals or snacks, known as "collations". Church requirements on fasting only relate to solid food, not to drink, so Church law does not restrict the amount of water or other beverages – even alcoholic drinks – which may be consumed.

Today is Thursday so we either recite the

Luminous Mysteries

or the

Joyful Mysteries

depending on whether you include the Luminous Mysteries or not.

God bless !

Just prayed 10 decades of the rosary and I feel great. Have a blessed day brothers

>>686190

>>686381

That's awesome ! In the end (that is: after the last Ave Maria of the fifth/last decade) you usually say another doxology (Glory Be), followed by a Fatima prayer (in case you say that), then other prayers such as Salve Regina and/or a litany (which is optional) and you end with the Sign of the Cross.

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Today is Friday. Thus, we recite the

Sorrowful Mysteries

!

Quote of the day:

>Since, therefore, it is clearly evident that this form of prayer is particularly pleasing to the Blessed Virgin, and that it is especially suitable as a means of defence for the Church and all Christians, it is in no way wonderful that several others of Our Predecessors have made it their aim to favour and increase its spread by their high recommendations. Thus Urban IV, testified that "every day the Rosary obtained fresh boon for Christianity." Sixtus IV declared that this method of prayer "redounded to the honour of God and the Blessed Virgin, and was well suited to obviate impending dangers;" Leo X that "it was instituted to oppose pernicious heresiarchs and heresies;" while Julius III called it "the glory of the Church."

– Pope Leo XIII., Supremi Apostolatus Officio (http://w2.vatican.va/content/leo-xiii/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_01091883_supremi-apostolatus-officio.html), point 5

God bless !

Today is Saturday and we pray the

Glorious Mysteries

or

Joyful Mysteries

(depending on whether you pray the luminous mysteries [joyful], or not [glorious]).

God bless !

It’s nice to see that people are still faithful to the Rosary.

It is Monday, thus, we recite the

Joyful Mysteries

<3

If you want to pray today's Rosary with readings from Holy Scripture –

The Annunciation: Luke 1:26-38

The Visitation: Luke 1: 39-56

The Nativity of our Lord: Luke 2:1-20

The Presentation of our Lord: Luke 2:22-39

The Finding of the Lord in the Temple: Luke 2:42-52

God bless !

Retrying since my first attempt was awful.

I would like to ask you all to join me in a Novena prayer. If you do not know what a Novena is it is the same type of prayer the Apostles prayed leading up to Pentecost. It is a very powerful prayer prayed over 9 days or more.

Day 1- Christ the King Novena

In the name of the Father, and of the Son,

and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

Christ, our Savior and our King,

renew in me allegiance to Your Kingship.

I pray for the grace to place You above

the powers of this world in all things.

O Prince of Peace, may Your reign be complete

in my life and in the life of the world.

Christ, my King, please answer these petitions

if they be in accordance with Your Holy Will…

[Mention your intentions]

As I reflect on Your second, glorious coming

and the judgement of all mankind,

I beg You to show me mercy and give me

the grace to become a great saint.

I pray that not only will I spend eternity with You

but that You may use me – a sinner –

to bring others into Your Kingdom for Your glory.

Christ the King, Your Kingdom come!

Amen.

In the name of the Father, and of the Son,

and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

>>687461

Boy the Lord truly does work in mysterious ways after posting this I find out something interesting.

Starting on the 15th the day of the Assumption the Holy League will begin a national 54 day Rosary Novena.

If you would like to take part here is a pdf http://www.54daynovena.com/Fifty%20Four%20Day%20Novena.pdf explaining in depth how to do it.

So on the 15th if you are willing to take part you say your normal Rosary which is Glorious Mysteries and you would also say the Novena starting with Joyful on Day 1 regardless of the day, Sorrowful on Day 2, Glorious on Day 3, then back to Joyful on Day 4 doing this 54 days in a row. There are also prayers for each of the mysteries so it is much more involved then the usual Rosary on top of that being done properly it is considered to be one prayer being said over 54 days.

>>687482

It ruins the Rosary Novena as well because the Novena is 9 days long meaning it should always end on Glorious Mysteries. Adding the Luminous throws the whole order off meaning you end with Joyful Mysteries making the prayer incomplete.

>>687489

Yeah the luminous mysteries although are in done in good faith don't first well with the rosary and should probably be viewed as something on the side rather than a large component of the rosary

>>687550

Basically this I do no not think the Lord is going to be mad if you pray more but the Luminous as far as we know we were not commanded to say by heaven itself.

>>687479

I'm in. I already pray the Rosary daily so I might as well join for the benefit of extra graces. I need to think about what my intention will be, maybe the health of my family.

>>687489

>>687550

>>687594

I've already been posting about the Luminous Mysteries and I don't want to repeat myself over and over again. However, you must not forget that it was St. Pope John Paul II. who instated them - as suggestion if you will, as teaching to broaden the Rosary as "compendium of the Gospel" in times where people were and still are leaving the Church in big numbers, in a time where people were and are losing (or already even completely lost) sight on the incredible significance and importance of the Gospel – and God Who proclaimed it (in whole societies, that is). From Rosarium Virginis Mariae (https://w2.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/en/apost_letters/2002/documents/hf_jp-ii_apl_20021016_rosarium-virginis-mariae.html):

>19. Of the many mysteries of Christ's life, only a few are indicated by the Rosary in the form that has become generally established with the seal of the Church's approval. The selection was determined by the origin of the prayer, which was based on the number 150, the number of the Psalms in the Psalter.

>I believe, however, that to bring out fully the Christological depth of the Rosary it would be suitable to make an addition to the traditional pattern which, while left to the freedom of individuals and communities, could broaden it to include the mysteries of Christ's public ministry between his Baptism and his Passion. In the course of those mysteries we contemplate important aspects of the person of Christ as the definitive revelation of God. Declared the beloved Son of the Father at the Baptism in the Jordan, Christ is the one who announces the coming of the Kingdom, bears witness to it in his works and proclaims its demands. It is during the years of his public ministry that the mystery of Christ is most evidently a mystery of light: “While I am in the world, I am the light of the world” (Jn 9:5).

>Consequently, for the Rosary to become more fully a “compendium of the Gospel”, it is fitting to add, following reflection on the Incarnation and the hidden life of Christ (the joyful mysteries) and before focusing on the sufferings of his Passion (the sorrowful mysteries) and the triumph of his Resurrection (the glorious mysteries), a meditation on certain particularly significant moments in his public ministry (the mysteries of light). This addition of these new mysteries, without prejudice to any essential aspect of the prayer's traditional format, is meant to give it fresh life and to enkindle renewed interest in the Rosary's place within Christian spirituality as a true doorway to the depths of the Heart of Christ, ocean of joy and of light, of suffering and of glory.

Again, the Luminous Mysteries are by no means a mandatory addition. You are free to say them or not and there is nothing that binds you to say them, so to speak. But nonetheless, they are a beautiful teaching and basis for meditation about the public ministry of the Lord, Jesus Christ, added to the already beautiful Rosary that is adding even more depth to the meditation. And if I may remind you, in the German speaking realm for example, there are other mysteries such as the Comforting Mysteries present - for a way longer time than the Luminous Mysteries. The Rosary is the Rosary and it will always keep being the Rosary. But don't think that just because other sets of Mysteries might be proposed will in any way possible "ruin" anything and somehow make the Rosary cease to be the Rosary. I respect the personal preference when people stick to the original 3 sets of mysteries (in alignment with the teachings of St. Louis Grignion de Montfort etc.) and that is perfectly fine and awesome – but I also expect those supposed traditionalists to respect the decision of their brethren in favor of these mysteries. We owe that to each other as brothers and sisters and as limbs of God's Church on earth.

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Other than that, today is Tuesday, thus, we recite the

Sorrowful Mysteries

!

God bless !

>>687461

Awesome ! I'm sorry I missed to pray the first day yesterday – if that's alright, I'll start today (and say prayers of days 1 and 2). I'd like you to post the daily prayers of the Novena here in the thread, please !

>>687479

Great !

Is the use of a rope+beads important or is doing it by wrote or by a ring equally good?

>>687744

The importance is the prayer itself. The Rosary is a tool to say the prayer because it is a long and at times complicated prayer that you would easily loose track of what you were doing.

>>687737

Thank you for your blessing.

Day 2- Christ The King Novena

In the name of the Father, and of the Son,

and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

Christ, our Savior and our King, renew

in me allegiance to Your Kingship.

I pray for the grace to place You above the powers

of this world in all things.

I pray for the grace to obey You before any civic authority.

O Prince of Peace, may Your reign be complete

in my life and in the life of the world. Christ,

my King, please answer these petitions if they

be in accordance with Your Holy Will…

[Mention your intentions]

As I reflect on Your second,

glorious coming and the judgement of all mankind,

I beg You to show me mercy and give me

the grace to become a great saint.

I pray that not only will I spend eternity with

You but that You may use me – a sinner –

to bring others into Your Kingdom for Your glory.

Christ the King, Your Kingdom come!

Amen.

In the name of the Father, and of the Son,

and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

>>687749

I can't bless anyone tho. Is the Novena taken from here: https://www.praymorenovenas.com/christ-king-novena ?

Hey guys,

So the booklet I have on how to pray the Rosary says that after each decade and the Glory Be, you pray either the Fatima prayer, or this:

'O Mary, Mother of grace and Mother of mercy, do thou protect us from our enemy, and receive us at the hour of our death.'

Does anyone know the name of this prayer? And also, is it standard practice?

>>687759

I've never heard of that. I only know of ending each decade with the Glory Be and Fatima prayer. That seems to be the most orthodox way of praying the rosary and it's what I do personally.

>>687756

Same Novena different website. If you can not bless anyone then pray for yourself anon.

>>687759

No it is probably a chaplet or a specific type of Rosary prayer.

>>687479

While I participate in this novena does that mean I should only pray one rosary a day? Or can I pray multiple as long as I include that days mysteries?

>>687949

Pray multiple Rosary. It does not matter if you pray one or the other first the daily Rosary is just the basic Rosary the Novena has more prayers added to it. Here is a pdf http://www.54daynovena.com/Fifty%20Four%20Day%20Novena.pdf it is a lot more intensive so then a normal Rosary personally I feel only through the grace of God will I complete it because I am weak and prone to starting major undertakings that I drop halfway through.

Christ the King Novena - Day 3

In the name of the Father, and of the Son,

and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

Christ, our Savior and our King, renew

in me allegiance to Your Kingship.

I pray for the grace to place You above the powers of this world in all things.

I pray for the grace to obey

You before any civic authority.

I pray for the grace to fervently bring about

Your Kingdom in my family and community.

O Prince of Peace, may Your reign be complete in my life and in the life of the world. Christ,

my King, please answer these petitions if they be in accordance with Your Holy Will…

[Mention your intentions here]

As I reflect on Your second, glorious coming and the judgement of all mankind, I beg You to show me mercy and give me the grace to become a great saint. I pray that not only will I spend eternity with You but that You may use me – a sinner – to bring others into Your Kingdom for Your glory.

Christ the King, Your Kingdom come!

Amen.

In the name of the Father, and of the Son,

and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

>>688170

They're fine. Like you said it is the prayer itself, not the medium by which you keep track of the prayers that matters. Thinking that you need some specific type of rosary is almost idolatry since you're placing the importance on the physical object you're using to pray and not the prayer itself.

Plastic rosaries are good because you can buy them in bulk and hand them out to people. More people praying the rosary is always good.

Also I just finished praying my second day of the 54 day novena. We all doing it here? Don't forget! It's the sorrowful mysteries today if you are

>>688286

Yep I am going to do my best. Just one day seemed more reverent and powerful. I am interested to see what 9 day of it is like and then 54 days after that. Remember many Saints have prayed the Novena asking the Lord for guidance including the 12 and Mother Mary(not the Rosary but there is a prayer to the Holy Spirit they prayed.) they prayed 9 days in a row before the holy spirit came into them on Pentecost.

Christ the King Novena - Day 4

In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

Christ, our Savior and our King, renew in me allegiance to Your Kingship.

I pray for the grace to place You above the powers of this world in all things.

I pray for the grace to obey You before any civic authority.

I pray for the grace to fervently bring about Your Kingdom in my family and community.

I pray that You will reign in my mind.

O Prince of Peace, may Your reign be complete in my life and in the life of the world. Christ, my King, please answer these petitions if they be in accordance with Your Holy Will…

[Mention your intentions here]

As I reflect on Your second, glorious coming and the judgment of all mankind, I beg You to show me mercy and give me the grace to become a great saint. I pray that not only will I spend eternity with You but that You may use me – a sinner – to bring others into Your Kingdom for Your glory.

Christ the King, Your Kingdom come!

Amen.

In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

I appreciate that someone left a rosary in the chapel at the gym I go to. I haven't used it, but it's nice to see it hanging on the wall when I go in to pray.

>>688473

Sounds nice, I wish my gym had a chapel. It seems the YMCA isn't really focused on faith.

Christ the King Novena - Day 5

In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

Christ, our Savior and our King, renew in me allegiance to Your Kingship.

I pray for the grace to place You above the powers of this world in all things.

I pray for the grace to obey You before any civic authority.

I pray for the grace to fervently bring about Your Kingdom in my family and community.

I pray that You will reign in my mind.

I pray that You will reign in my heart.

O Prince of Peace, may Your reign be complete in my life and in the life of the world. Christ, my King, please answer these petitions if they be in accordance with Your Holy Will…

[Mention your intentions here]

As I reflect on Your second, glorious coming and the judgment of all mankind, I beg You to show me mercy and give me the grace to become a great saint. I pray that not only will I spend eternity with You but that You may use me – a sinner – to bring others into Your Kingdom for Your glory.

Christ the King, Your Kingdom come!

Amen.

In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

Christ the King Novena - Day 6

In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

Christ, our Savior and our King, renew in me allegiance to Your Kingship.

I pray for the grace to place You above the powers of this world in all things.

I pray for the grace to obey You before any civic authority.

I pray for the grace to fervently bring about Your Kingdom in my family and community.

I pray that You will reign in my mind.

I pray that You will reign in my heart.

I pray that You will reign in my will.

O Prince of Peace, may Your reign be complete in my life and in the life of the world. Christ, my King, please answer these petitions if they be in accordance with Your Holy Will…

[Mention your intentions here]

As I reflect on Your second, glorious coming and the judgment of all mankind, I beg You to show me mercy and give me the grace to become a great saint. I pray that not only will I spend eternity with You but that You may use me – a sinner – to bring others into Your Kingdom for Your glory.

Christ the King, Your Kingdom come!

Amen.

In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

Christ the King Novena - Day 7

Join in praying the Christ the King Novena

In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

Christ, our Savior and our King, renew in me allegiance to Your Kingship.

I pray for the grace to place You above the powers of this world in all things.

I pray for the grace to obey You before any civic authority.

I pray for the grace to fervently bring about Your Kingdom in my family and community.

I pray that You will reign in my mind.

I pray that You will reign in my heart.

I pray that You will reign in my will.

I pray that You will reign in my body.

O Prince of Peace, may Your reign be complete in my life and in the life of the world. Christ, my King, please answer these petitions if they be in accordance with Your Holy Will…

[Mention your intentions here]

As I reflect on Your second, glorious coming and the judgment of all mankind, I beg You to show me mercy and give me the grace to become a great saint. I pray that not only will I spend eternity with You but that You may use me – a sinner – to bring others into Your Kingdom for Your glory.

Christ the King, Your Kingdom come!

Amen.

In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

had to do it on my phone since My computer was acting up and I am at work

>>687759

No clue what that is anon, if you want to use it then go for it, I'd use the fatima prayer myself tho

Christ the King Novena - Day 8

In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

Christ, our Savior and our King, renew in me allegiance to Your Kingship.

I pray for the grace to place You above the powers of this world in all things.

I pray for the grace to obey You before any civic authority.

I pray for the grace to fervently bring about Your Kingdom in my family and community.

I pray that You will reign in my mind.

I pray that You will reign in my heart.

I pray that You will reign in my will.

I pray that You will reign in my body.

I pray that You will reign throughout all the world.

O Prince of Peace, may Your reign be complete in my life and in the life of the world. Christ, my King, please answer these petitions if they be in accordance with Your Holy Will…

[Mention your intentions here]

As I reflect on Your second, glorious coming and the judgment of all mankind, I beg You to show me mercy and give me the grace to become a great saint. I pray that not only will I spend eternity with You but that You may use me – a sinner – to bring others into Your Kingdom for Your glory.

Christ the King, Your Kingdom come!

Amen.

In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

>>690330

So tomorrow is the last day of praying this Novena. I just wanted to say thank you and I will probably make a thread for continued praying of Novena Prayers.

Thank you. Also it is day 6 of the 54 day Rosary Novena. Is anyone still doing it?

Christ the King Novena - Day 9

In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

Christ, our Savior and our King, renew in me allegiance to Your Kingship.

I pray for the grace to place You above the powers of this world in all things.

I pray for the grace to obey You before any civic authority.

I pray for the grace to fervently bring about Your Kingdom in my family and community.

I pray that You will reign in my mind.

I pray that You will reign in my heart.

I pray that You will reign in my will.

I pray that You will reign in my body.

I pray that You will reign throughout all the world.

I pray that You will reign in every area of my life.

O Prince of Peace, may Your reign be complete in my life and in the life of the world. Christ, my King, please answer these petitions if they be in accordance with Your Holy Will…

[Mention your intentions here]

As I reflect on Your second, glorious coming and the judgment of all mankind, I beg You to show me mercy and give me the grace to become a great saint. I pray that not only will I spend eternity with You but that You may use me – a sinner – to bring others into Your Kingdom for Your glory.

Christ the King, Your Kingdom come!

Amen.

In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

>>690333

I'm still doing the 54 day novena. Day 8 for me. Sorrowful mysteries today.

>>691082

Good for you. I am personally finding it puts me into a state of total peace and deep prayer almost immediately now. Also tomorrow completes the first of the 6 Novena to be prayed.

New set of the Novena began today Day 10 also I hope everyone is still praying their daily rosary as well I know I had to get that back in because I fell off for the first few days.

Day 15 of the Novena today (29th). The Glorious Mysteries. Hope you're all still on the wagon!

Is everyone still praying the rosary? I admit I've gotten a bit slack and forgot to pray it for a few days. Maybe we should form a rosary discord group?

>>699936

I've been slacking a bit, need to get back on it.

>>699936

Form the group. By some miracle I am still, at least, praying 5 mysteries a day, optimally I do all 15 morning and evening. God help us all. I now look at the rosary as a rope to heaven that I will hold on to for dear life.

OK so I'm pretty new to Christianity. I've had a cursory glance at the Rosary stuff and having done some meditation and mantra before I see it's obvious utility from a practical standpoint.

Can someone ELI5 what it is, where it comes from and why they do it?

It's obviously not scriptural but then lots of things aren't… and it does include Our Fathers right which is how we were commanded to pray by Christ.

I'm not trying to offend anyone but I probably will anyway since I'm not exactly orthodox.

>>699997

The Rosary, is you accept the (((scholarly))) description of it's origins, developed from Christians reciting prayers using rocks in bags to count, the knots on ropes, and then finally the Rosary. The specific reasons for the Rosary being it is a version of the Psalter (hence 150 Aves) except for poor people. Before there were 150 Our Fathers, and so on. The other history is just that Mary gave it to St. Dominic to fight the Albigensian heresy and to save souls.

I practice it because it's excellent meditation on all the most key events of Our Lord's life and Mom's life, and the graces gained from it are without number.

>>699997

>It's obviously not scriptural

Our Father is directly from Scripture.

Hail Mary is from Scripture (St. Luke 1:28,42. The second part is asking Our Lady to pray for us).

The Holy Rosary is in fact directly mentioned in St. John 21:11 "Simon Peter went up, and drew the net to land, full of great fishes, one-hundred and fifty-three. And although there were so many, the net was not broken." (excluding, of course the new luminous mysteries which are not part of the Rosary as given by Mary to St. Dominic).

>>700094

I meant the whole practice obviously. I acknowledge that Our Fathers is scriptural and how we were commanded to pray.

Venerating Mary isn't scriptural.

Praying to anyone other than the Father in the name of the Son is against scripture, no?

>>699997

If you have the time watch the video in this post: >>672841

It's an excellent talk about the origins of the Rosary and its power.

>>700099

>Venerating Mary isn't scriptural.

In those days Mary arose and went with haste into the hill country, to a city of Judah, and she entered the house of Zechari′ah and greeted Elizabeth. And when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit and she exclaimed with a loud cry, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb! And why is this granted me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? For behold, when the voice of your greeting came to my ears, the babe in my womb leaped for joy. And blessed is she who believed that there would be a fulfilment of what was spoken to her from the Lord.”

???

Super important to note there that Elizabeth was "filled with the Holy Spirit". It wasn't just her saying Mary was blessed among women, it was God himself.

>>700105

Apologies, I'll amend my statement. I should have said "Praying to Mary isn't scriptural." I didn't proof read my post obviously.

>>700108

>>700108

We don't pray to her, we ask for her intercession, and doing so for all believers, is scriptural.

>>700118

OK so excuse my ignorance here but where is it in scripture that Mary is our intercessor and not Christ?

>>702319

Just finished my daily rosary then.

Doing a nightly Rosary right now. I'm gonna start doing the divine office too, but I wanted to move the Rosary to the morning. I think that the morning hour plus Rosary will be too hard to do all at once tho.

>>703644

Divine Office is about 15-20 minutes, a rosary devoutly said is 20-25minutes ('devoutly' as in not talking to Mom as if you want to get her away, and using a normal talking pace, though slightly slower, in all the prayers). It's doable. I get up slightly earlier to get it all done.

Two weeks ago I started praying the rosary each day after a period of falling away and depression, this past week I've been doing 15 decades and during this time I got a new job and stopped masturbating

Any Spanish speakers here? Wondering if this is accurate: http://www.devocionario.com/maria/rosario_1.html

>>712962

It's pretty accurate, it even translates some of the trickier theological terms

i'm sort of weirded out at the new mysteries because with three it was perfect, 150 hail mary's for 150 psalms, now what it's 200? or you're saying for germans its 250? 150 was a perfect number it matched up perfectly. i don't get it.

>>714269

Fun fact: if we are to take Seraphim of Serov’s Prayer Rule as being valid, the Mericle at Cena is actually included in the “passion cycle” within his group of 15. However, I feel like one should say all the mysteries in one go, as it tells the story of Mary going from a humble teenager to being the queen of all creation through the life of her son, which is sort of lost if you just focus on 5 a day.

Bump for useul thread.

Stop using the Luminous Mysteries. It totally screws up the Rosary being Mary's Psalter. There aren't 200 (or 250) Psalms. Next thing you're going to say to kiss the Quran after each decade too. Or recite "Let St. John the Baptist bless Islam" after each decade. JPII openly spoke heresy before, and he's totally messed up the structure of the Rosary this way and confused many people.

>>714269

For hundreds of years it's been the Psalter of Mary. You can do optional other meditations but don't add it to the official Rosary and try to propagate it that it's 20 mysteries. Or now 25 Mysteries? Why not add 50 Mysteries tomorrow?

Are you polish btw? I've never seen people worship JP2 more than Polish people.

>The Psalter has no mysteries and no meditations unlike the Rosary, that's the difference.

Oh wow, c'mon, yeah like God doesn't work through numerology. There are apparitions too where Our Lady says to pray the 15 mysteries. Now JPII is claiming it's officially 20? (He actually never said it, he merely offered the Luminous Mysteries) and now everyone is pushing for it. It totally messes it up. This is coming from a Man who openly spoke and never recanted from heresy (publicly). Tell me one time he ever apologized for saying let St. John the Baptist bless Islam? He never publicly recanted from such utter heresy from him. Also likely covered up for pedophiles.

How am I supposed to know it's wrong to kiss the Quran. Has anyone ever officially taught it's wrong to kiss the Quran? Did JP2 ever say that he was wrong? Can I add it as part of my devotion?

>>670488

>The rosary has truly saved me.

Yikes

>>670488

>the rosary saves

>reee catholics don't practice a works salvation

>>700105

Description =/= prescription

>>670577

I think you got like 140 words in that sentence.

>>670387

Re-learning this devotion to Our Lord’s mother; in these times, it’s helping me be grateful and humble.

Good stuff, for all levels and all minds.

>>728074

Oh yeah show me anything which is 20. As if 7 is a bizarre number. 20 actually is, or 25? Why not 31 mysteries. So should I assume then based on this that the private revelation of Our Lady saying to pray 15 mysteries was false? Can't think of anything heretical in those revelations, but JP2 has said quite a bit of heretical things in his time, never recanted at all, publicly. We live in a time when people don't even say the rosary at all, but yeah.. a "full" rosary should be now 4 sets of mysteries? I'm going to add the Mohammed mysteries too. Please join in me in reciting these, Ya Mohammed! Reasonably we can hope you are in Heaven, as our gracious Bishop Barron and others proclaim. Here our cries Mohammed, let us venerate you and your amazing life. Let us kiss your book, and let your beautiful religion be blessed by one of the greatest men to have ever lived, St. John the Baptist. But perhaps you are even greater!

Having different mysteries isn't the issue, it's the confusion that people don't know what the full rosary is. Why not add 5 more next year? or Let's add another 20 mysteries so a full rosary should be 32 Mysteries. Cause you know, praying 20 a day is too easy for all these amazing holy people in the world. Yeah, catholics don't even go to mass on Sundays, but a full rosary should now be 20, cause for hundreds of years it wasn't enough.

No one is a sede here, stop worshipping SAINT JP2, open speaker of some of the most heretical statements said by a Pope in recent history, and very possibly covered for pedophiles.

A flock who is lost is partly due to the shepherds. Our flock is more lost than ever before. Sure, create however many new mysteries you want. Meditate on the life of Mohammed, but don't add it to the Rosary that has been established for hundreds of years and served many Saints (actual Saints that are worthy of imitation) well. Clearly that was too easy, and there were too many people who were part of the Confraternity of the Rosary, so we had to up the stakes a bit more.

Anyways you can promote that nonsense if you wish. I just want to promote the pious devotion of kissing the Quran. Actually i'm going to update it to kiss it after every Hail Mary. You know Mohammed said he is going to marry (and have sex with) Our Lady in Heaven? Anyways regardless of if that will happen or not, I don't see any Pope condemning the practice of kissing the Quran and asking for Islam, not muslims, but Islam to be blessed. Saints are declared Saints so that we can emulate them.

>>728146

I whole heartedly suggest you buy several Qurans, get it blessed by your priest, and kiss them regularly. And pray for the intercession of Mohammed.

>>728075

>Just stop feeding yourself false truths that keeps you comfy in your own view of the Church.

Nothing is comfy nor false. Rather you are the one trying to make your "comfy" view of the church, neglecting poor leadership and poor choices. You people don't worship God you worship popes. I bet you are Polish.

For hundreds of years, hundreds, a full Rosary was 15 mysteries. Now people don't know what a full rosary is. Is it 15? Is it 20? What's the need for this confusion? Is 10 decades a full rosary too? Why not? Anyways promote whatever nonsense you want. Just please let me promote Quran kissing as part of the Rosary. I feel it is beneficial.

>>728074

>Are we supposed to say they're heresy, too?

> heresy

And wow, who said any of this is Heresy? Go strawman somewhere else. Sick of this thread. Make this a JP2 worship thread, that's better.

>>728276

That's not reddit spacing, that would be two enters. You can't even get your insults right.

> did a Pole molest you when you were a child?

Wow

Okay I'm going to promote the practice of kissing the Quran after each decade. I'm not saying you have to do it, but I don't see why it's not a pious addition. Emulating Saints.

Remember everyone, tomorrow is Friday. So we kiss the Quran after every Hail Mary in this devotion. I am promoting this beautiful practice, and will hopefully will come out with more mysteries to meditate on the life of Mohammed and other hopeful saints.

>You act like the Rosary is fixed in stone

Never said that, more strawmanning. Also you seem filled with rage. Don't even want to quote the filth you are typing.

So all you can do is strawman and say things I've never said. Are these the fruits of your mysteries? Maybe you should add Quran kissing. And pray for the intercession of Mohammed. You have to result to using filth too… yikes. You said I called something heresy, when I never did, now saying that the rosary never changed (which I never did again). Your mind is full of filth. And haha, peaceful conversation? You seem bipolar.

Anyways, you don't have to kiss Qurans after every decade, but I recommend it, especially for you. Seems like it can help with your anger issues.

>as many people in this thread tried to tell you

You're the only one I've spoken to in this thread. You seem delusional on top of seething with rage, and bipolar. You wake up with rage in your heart, then you say oh no I didn't mean to be angry, then you rage out again. Something is wrong with you. Please buy a Holy Quran.

>never mentioned JPII as an authority over the Luminous Mysteries.

When did I say you said this? Seriously, I'd recommend for you to learn some English before replying again. You seem incapable of reading anything and just seem to make up things in your head and argue with that. Something's wrong with you, seriously wrong with you. Okay have fun with whatever "mysteries" you want to pray with. I'm done with that.

I'm here to promote the devotion of kissing the Quran as part of the Rosary. Feel free not to do so, but it can be a very powerful tool and beautiful devotion. Hopefully this devotion will become standard throughout the world.

>>728312

quran can not be holy. Read your Holy Bible, fag.