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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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c3a4e9 No.668716

>30 years ago today

Reminder that this man did nothing wrong.

2640fe No.668722

Based


8283a5 No.668735

Marcel François Marie Joseph Lefebvre (French: [maʁsɛl fʁɑswa maʁi ʒozɛf ləfɛːvʁ]; 29 November 1905 – 25 March 1991) was a French Roman Catholic archbishop. Ordained a diocesan priest in 1929, he joined the Holy Ghost Fathers for missionary work and was assigned to teach at a seminary in Gabon in 1932. In 1947, he was appointed Vicar Apostolic of Dakar, Senegal, and the next year as the Apostolic Delegate for West Africa.

Upon his return to Europe he was elected Superior General of the Holy Ghost Fathers and assigned to participate in the drafting and preparation of documents for the upcoming Second Vatican Council (1962–65) announced by Pope John XXIII, and was a major leader of the conservative bloc during its proceedings. He would later take the lead in opposing certain changes within the Church associated with the Council. Refusing to implement council-inspired reforms demanded by its members, he resigned from the leadership of the Holy Ghost Fathers in 1968.

In 1970, Lefebvre founded the Society of Saint Pius X (SSPX) as a small community of seminarians in the village of Écône, Switzerland, with the permission of Bishop François Charrière (fr) of Fribourg. In 1975, after a flare of tensions with the Holy See, Lefebvre was ordered to disband the society, but ignored the decision. In 1988, against the expressed prohibition of Pope John Paul II, he consecrated four bishops to continue his work with the SSPX. The Holy See immediately declared that he and the other bishops who had participated in the ceremony had incurred automatic excommunication under Catholic canon law,[Notes 1] a status Lefebvre refused to acknowledge to his death three years later.[3][4]

In 2009, 18 years after Lefebvre's death, Pope Benedict XVI lifted the excommunication of the four surviving bishops at their request. However, it was not done retroactively, meaning that it had no effect on Lefebvre.


30dc4a No.668739

Possible future Saint once God decides the trials of the Church are over.


c3a4e9 No.668760

File: 9965011feef43d2⋯.jpg (155.6 KB, 480x671, 480:671, Canonization of Marcel Lef….jpg)

>>668739

>Possible future Saint

It will happen


e1fd24 No.668768

Serious question: is he in hell? Since the excommunication was not lifted


fb2621 No.668778

>>668768

>No penalty is ever incurred without committing a subjective mortal sin (canons 1321 §1, 1323 70). Archbishop Lefebvre made it clear that he felt bound in conscience to do what he could do to continue the Catholic priesthood and that he was obeying God in going ahead with the consecrations (Cf. the Sermon of June 30, 1988, and Archbishop Lefebvre and the Vatican, p. 136). Hence, even if he had been wrong, there would be no subjective sin.

https://sspx.org/en/faq-page/wasnt-archbishop-lefebvre-excommunicated-faq11


7e744b No.668834

>>668778

What are the limits of this argument though? If I don't subjectively believe I'm comitting a sin then there's no penalty?

Maybe I'm just not understanding it properly but isn't the whole point of having a Church to say that there is an objective earthly authority that can judge such things?

Obviously there are no limits to divine mercy, but in terms of what one would presume, unless the excommunication is removed, he's been condemned to hell right?


afee51 No.668915

File: ebd71058384a3da⋯.gif (2.51 MB, 286x258, 143:129, 1530202514262.gif)

>>668768

>be nondenom

>dont consider random proclamations from mortal human men to be valid in terms of judgement before God and only by God

I guess I'll do the brotherly thing and respect your church's tradition; yes. Eternal torment.


063061 No.668919

>>668716

>playing the pronoun game


bb920f No.668931

>>668760

>and of being a shining example […] of humility

lol

>>668768

Excommunications don't automatically mean you are going to Hell; you can recover grace always, as long as you are alive.


49847b No.668932

>>668931

>lol

What's so funny?


bfd5e8 No.668944

>did nothing wrong

>got excommunicated, schismed, and is now burning in hell


c3a4e9 No.668980

File: dcb24cddb4cb320⋯.jpg (96.41 KB, 435x600, 29:40, 435px-Albert_Lynch_-_Jeann….jpg)

>>668944

>hurr excommunications cant be lifted

>hurr all excommunicated people are in hell and can't be canonised


e73a86 No.669053

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4800db No.669158

>>668944

>did nothing wrong

<schismed

<did good


58593a No.669169


56b5c9 No.671182

>>668716

Didn't he murder a communist and then make a YouTube channel about paganism?


c3a4e9 No.673749

https://ift.tt/2NJmoMg

The conservative faction of the SSPX topple Fellay, meaning talks with Rome will inevitably cool


799f8c No.673753


c4c49b No.673991

>>668716

Can his heritage be resurrected?

I think Vatican II must absolutely be undone completely for the Catholic Church to return to it's own root for revival.


799f8c No.674240

>>673991

We can only hope.

The Church must be saved by people who have faith in God and want to carry forth His tradition.


6d7e1b No.674255

dude obedience to the church is a virtue except when i decide it isn't lmao


799f8c No.674273

>>674255

>be priest

>pope says it's ok to marry homos now, 'cause reasons

>obey because that is the right thing to do no matter what

>pope says child marriages are okay now

>obey, cause that's the right thing to do

>pope says we will worship allah and the Quran is the holy book now

>obey, because that is just the right thing to do


6d7e1b No.674277

>>674273

wtf when did any of this crap happen


799f8c No.674279

>>674277

>being this dense


6d7e1b No.674281

>>674279

no seriously were these some vatican II reforms that i just didn't notice?? i'm very confused and dense. redpill me, o sage :)


40bea4 No.674292

>>668980

>heretical "catholic" bishop falsly excommunicating a devout catholic

Vs.

>someone knowingly rebelling against the church because he doesnt like aesthetic practices

One is validly excommunicated and burning in hell, the other isnt


799f8c No.674294

>>674292

> burning in hell

You don't know that.


40bea4 No.674298

>>674294

Not for certain. But everything we know about heretics/schismatics and hell would say that he is there.

Maybe God has preserved him, hopefully.


c3a4e9 No.674299

>>674281

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/vatican-publishes-document-declaring-a-female-diaconate-is-a-possibility-in

t-there's no crisis in the church, everything is just fine! I promise! Amoris was just a joke bro, the Pope will answer the dubia in his own time :^)




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