/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

>>668447

God solves all problems eventually anon, be patient

>>668448

we are supposed to assist God's will, not just sit back and do nothing.

Have you no faith? Are you scandalized by the existence of the synagogue of Satan?

God will bring all men to account for their sins.

Focus on your own salvation first, then spread the gospel in firm gentleness.

Besides, the early Church endured their suffering for the sake of the Lord. We've gotten complacent and think that the world should tolerate or like us. The world hates us, this shouldn't be news.

>Why do we take care of our enemies

Because the Living God told us to.

>>668466

how about stoning sodomites. you guys are a bunch of cuck sodomy lovers too i bet. who cars if they hate us, how do we fight back we should at least torture these sodomites. what's wrong with stoning them?

>>668470

i didn't say why, i said when do we "take care" i.e. stone them, expose them, speak out against reprobates. people are far too quiet and meek. way too many churches, even catholics and orthodox etc are using the term "homophobia" like it's a real thing. oh no looks like i'm rapophobic and murderphobic too. dear me!

>>668471

If you follow one part of the ceremonial law, you have to follow all of it.

Have you never committed a sin worthy of death, anon?

>>668480

That whole Romans 1-2 is a real pain innit?

>>668447

Based Chrysostom also says homosexuals should be stoned.

At Fatima it was said that the final battle would be over marriage and the family.

Look at where we are now. Homosexual so-called marriage is now legal, and state supported and enforced, in many Western, apparently Christian, countries. Homosexual adoption is similarly legal. They are also outright murdering children. Abortion is killing thousands, millions, and child euthanasia has been legalised through the backdoor in some countries, ie Britain and Alfie Evans case.

Pedophilia is now being pushed for by mainstream organisations to be accepted as homosexuality is: https://www.naturalnews.com/2018-06-25-tedx-talks-now-feature-pedophilia-promoting-speakers.html

and Netflix is now openly showing *child pornography*: http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2018/06/28/netflix-under-fire-for-film-critics-say-contains-child-pornography.html

We can also see the push for transsexualism, even among children.

These show the levels of depravity that our societies have sunken to. We live, brothers and sisters, in Babylon. Such depravity has not been seen since the days before the Flood, after all it was said by the old Rabbis that the last sinful act before the Flood was for man-man marriage to be attempted.

They are undermining the family unit. They even twist the words of the Holy Father and other figures to try to advance their evil agenda, and have convinced even men of the cloth like Father James Martin and many a preacher and reverend to support them.

These false preachers and false priests are of the Synagogue of Satan, they are the ones who say that they are Jews but are not, and they are antichrists because they lead people away from Christ.

It is also written that before the End there shall be a great apostasy, a great falling away. Is this not happening now? Once Christian Ireland, a faithful daughter of the Church, has now legalised child murder, is secularising. Similarly Argentina is doing so. And many so-called Christian nations now have Christians in the minority.

This, though I dare not say for certain, could very well be the Great Apostasy as written of by St John.

And now, in addition to the undermining of marriage by the legalisation of homosexual so-called marriage, there is even call for the abolition of marriage. This, polygamy and paedophilia will be, I believe, the final debate, the final battle over marriage and family.

And what then? Well, if I am right though I dare not presume even a word of this is true for certain, then the man of sin, Antichrist, will come shortly.

For what is restraining the antichrist any longer? Nothing. The crowns of Europe are long dead. The Church shoved aside by secular morality. The dollar and pleasure worshipped in favour of God. Traditional social norms abolished by the secularists.

There is seemingly no restraining force left.

I believe that it is reasonably likely that we are in the final few decades or years before the End for these reasons. What do y'all think?

>>668498

>They even twist the words of the Holy Father and other figures

God the Father is not a "figure." Sorry but that undoes whatever else you were trying to say.

>>668505

"Holy Father" is a title of the Pope u goof

>>668505

Holy Father is one of the titles of the Pope, along with Servant of the Servants of God, Bishop of Rome etc.

Heavenly Father is usually used to refer to the Father.

>>668498

I dont think it will be time just yet. Probably a couple hundred years maybe, but not just yet. Things can get a lot worse than it is right now. Regardless, it doesn't matter whether things will inevitably get worse or not, our responsibility is to fight as hard as we can against it. Too many people are defeatist and I believe that to be a sin.

>>668448

t. calvinist

We hold on as hard as we can until they burn themselves out and their "followers" and young people they had attracted get too disillusioned with all the "progressiveness".

Then we strike.

We repeat the ancient words, "God forgives all those who repent," and bring back most of the lost flock back to God's Grace and hopefully avoid Armageddon for a few more generations.

>>668452

Matthew 6:27-34

>>669217

>Romans 1:27

Likewise, the men abandoned natural relations with women and burned with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

>1 Timothy 1:10

for the sexually immoral, for homosexuals, for slave traders and liars and perjurers, and for anyone else who is averse to sound teaching

>Genesis 19:5

They called out to Lot, saying, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Send them out to us so we can have relations with them!"

>Leviticus 20:13

If a man lies with a man as with a woman, they have both committed an abomination. They must surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

>Deuteronomy 23:18

You must not bring the wages of a prostitute, whether female or male, into the house of the LORD your God to fulfill any vow, because both are detestable to the LORD your God.

>>669217

>God annihilates Sodom and Gomorrha for faggotry reasons

>GIVE MEH ZE PROFOS FOR HOW ACTIN ON ZE HOMOTHOUGHTS IS BAD

alright.

>>669226

>Romans

>Timothy

Paul

>Genesis

>Leviticus

>Deuteronomy

Moses

Now, what did Jesus say?

Matthew 5:44

I guess Jesus was just a weak beta cuck, right? Because you seem to be going to sources that aren't Jesus.

>>669206

we are not worrying or being anxious, we are just reminded because of this degeneracy there is work to be done. in the end we can do nothing without God, but fighting against this degeneracy is a good deed we can do for our Lord. it's a call to action for us, an opportunity to please him.

>>669233

as if the trinity disagrees with each other, are you some muslim or arian?

>>668447

>faggots destroy the soul in the body

No. Only God has that power. Faggots merely stain souls to a rather large extent relative to other sins, but ultimately even a faggot or a victim of faggot molestation can be redeemed by the transformative power of Jesus Christ.

Only God can destroy the soul.

>>669238

>Only God can destroy the soul.

Apparently protestants believe that God is bad. They reject the words of St.John Chrysostom because the saint believed in a good God.

>>669217

It's the sin of idolatry. LGBT culture is treated like a religion that no one can criticize.

>>669233

>God can't speak through Prophets and Apostles

Tell me, anon, was the Lord Jesus not around when Sodom was destroyed?

Did the Lord Jesus not send Paul out to preach?

That being said, we should pray for sodomites, just as any other enemy of ours.

>>669233

>Because you seem to be going to sources that aren't Jesus.

Are you saying Jesus Christ is not God and the Bible not his word?

2 Peter 2:6

And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;

Genesis 19:24

Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;

Notice it says the Lord rained brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven. So Jesus Christ who is God was physically there raining fire on those cities.

>>669238

Destroy here means "kill". Translation in New Advent says: "For the murderer dissevers the soul from the body, but this man ruins the soul with the body."

Matthew 10:28 King James Version (KJV)

28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

>>670297

I thought the punishment in hell was forever and a human soul couldn't be destroyed. Isn't that annihilationism?

>>670383

Idk, the truth is probably the opposite of whatever the jews say.

>>670384

fuggtarded logic.

>>670383

It won't. But those there wish that it could.

>>669228

unironically this

>>669866

>I don't want to read Chrysostom and need someone to spoon feed me instead

>>670567

I've got enough to read already and doing other stuff so I can't really add more to that.

If you actually understand the issue then surely you can explain it yourself or at least post a relevant quote. If not then you have no business scolding me.

>>668447

The Church is not a court, but a hospital. We don't punish sinners, but to bring them to salvation. This doesnt mean we believe that the State shouldn't punish homosexuality, but the Church is not the State.

>>669217

>>669226

People quote singular verses a lot, which is okay, but you can take more from an entire passage than you can from a verse. Just take a good look at Sodom and Gomorrah and you'll have the whole homosexuality thing cast out before you.

They tried to rape angels, which tells you a lot about the pathological nature and damage of the soul.

>>668471

if torture can make me normal then i'd happily turn myself in.

80 years of men's torture is nothing compared to eternity of hell, simple mathematics

>>682411

Call me when Seraphim "Toll House Man" Rose becomes a saint and we'll talk.

Besides, he was cured of his homosexuality by Christ.

>>682438

>Besides, he was cured of his homosexuality by Christ.

Like all sins. Did I imply he beat it himself?

Lead homosexuals to christ instead of stoning them or allowing gay marriage, that's all.

>>682439

If they are Christian but remain homosexual, they may as well be apostates.

If they are not Christian, their lives are worth that of beasts.

>>682440

Are you, perchance, a baptist?

Homosexuality is a perversion of a natural desire but as long as someone doesn't act upon it and is a faithful christian, it's nothing to be worried about.

In the same way someone struggling with murderous intent and lust isn't at fault as long as he knows it's wrong and doesn't do it.

>>668447

Wheels are starting to turn. God and Jesus first needs to weed out his flock and expose to the world what comes with homosexuality.

>>682441

I am Orthodox.

Homosexuality is a perversion. It is impossible not to act upon it - sexual attraction for people of the same sex is a perversion in itself.

Wanting to murder someone but not acting on it is still a grave sin too. Or being lustful.

>>669233

Christ explained that marriage is between a man and a woman; he also condemned fornication. So since there is no such thing as a “gay marriage”, it looks like all of their sexual relations amount to fornication…uh-oh!

>>682453

I'm sorry for assuming.

Still, the only unforgivable sin is blaspheming against the holy spirit. Someone might be unable to not lust (for men) but as long as he keeps repenting and tries his best, he is not an apostate or a creature of hell.

And without wanting to downplay the sinfulness of homosexuality, it has always been sodomy in itself that has been the most condemned and not "sexual attraction for people of the same sex"

>>682453

>It is impossible not to act upon it

Nonsense.

>>682458

>And without wanting to downplay the sinfulness of homosexuality, it has always been sodomy in itself that has been the most condemned and not "sexual attraction for people of the same sex"

this

You can’t go to Hell for merely having thoughts independent from your will.

Imagine Christ asking you (as a test) not to think of fish; you obviously will think of fish after that. Would you believe you’d be guilty of selfishly rejecting Christ’s demand?

>>682458

Of course. If a homosexual ceases to be a homosexual, his chances to be saved are certainly higher.

>And without wanting to downplay the sinfulness of homosexuality, it has always been sodomy in itself that has been the most condemned and not "sexual attraction for people of the same sex"

Lust for someone of the opposite sex is sin. Do you think the people of Sodom and the people of Gibeah were not in sin until they actually raped?

>>682465

>Do you think the people of Sodom and the people of Gibeah were not in sin until they actually raped?

No I don't anon. Which I why I said

>without wanting to downplay the sinfulness of homosexuality

However, it's acting upon their perverse desires that pushed God to *destroy* them.

In the same way that if you look at a woman with lust, you commit adultery with her in your heart, yet we will all agree that the real, physical act of fornication/adultery is much MUCH worse.

If it wasn't none of us here would be worthy of marriage because I'm pretty sure we all masturbated at some point.