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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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d38579 No.666447

Why do Latin's make images of God the Father? That's forbidden.

996654 No.666452

>>666447

>Why do Latin's

>Why do Latin is

Underage and b&.


265041 No.666453

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File: 0249835a995d3bb⋯.jpg (134.43 KB, 740x740, 1:1, 18th-Century-Greek-Orthodo….jpg)

not all orthodox obey their own rules


d0cfdd No.666460

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>>666447

>Why do Latin's

>make images of God the Father? That's forbidden.

Ever gone to church yourself?


d0cfdd No.666462

File: 771b1841edd32a4⋯.jpg (23.06 KB, 220x218, 110:109, 220px-H_Agia_Triada_Moni_V….JPG)


87f95f No.666465

>>666453

This. Unless it's a significant number of people doing it then a few heretics/simple mistake will not effect the entire church. People do foolish things all the time, you can't change that.

t. Ortho


883c2a No.666481

>>666447

I guess it's the neck mostly, but Christ looks pretty swole in that icon.


71d88d No.666496

>That's forbidden.

Except it's not? No Council spoke against it and even though John Damascene is doctor of the Church it does not mean that he was infallible in all instances.


a5df74 No.666498

>>666447

Hi, /islam/


082988 No.666501

>>666496

>>666498

>“You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

Exodus 20:4

Now, do you submit to scripture or follow your traditions of man?


ee153c No.666502

>>666501

Oh look, it's this thread again. When was the last one? Yesterday?


2b9ff2 No.666508

>>666501

Protestant trying to tell us to follow scripture. That's rich.


05fa53 No.666518

Yall need to read some St. John of Damascus

The incarnation actually meant something for iconography, and it's not the the Father can be depicted now


a0e133 No.666522

File: 4cdbb6dc998f3b8⋯.jpg (668.55 KB, 1185x1531, 1185:1531, trinity icon REEE.jpg)

Great Moscow Synod of 1666 forbade depictions of God the Father, themselves a result of Latin influence. But that didn't immediately stop iconographers, and even today, some (often reconstituted) old cathedrals have depictions of God the Father (see >>666462 ).

But modern canonical iconography indeed doesn't permit images of God the Father. It doesn't fit into the theology of Byzantine iconography (simply put, our icon of the New Testament Trinity is the icon of Jesus Himself) and any serious iconographer would reee at stuff like >>666460 (where there is the double whammy of the Holy Spirit being portrayed as a dove outside of the Theophany + God the Father being portrayed).

I'd say that the closest thing to a theologically correct Trinity icon without being strictly canonical is pic related. It portrays the concept of interprenetation, it has "the Father" actually being Jesus as the Ancient of Days (see the halo), and it goes back to the Revelation imagery of God and the Lamb sitting on the throne and the river of life proceeding from both.

But it's still not a good icon of the Trinity.

Why are portrayals of the Father not canonical? Not because of anti-Latin autism as with 99% of Orthodox things, but because it is strict in Byzantine theology that only that what was revealed (whether in observable history or in the scriptures) can be portrayed. The Father obviously never showed up as an old bearded man, and all appearances of God in the OT are of the pre-incarnate Logos. The Father can be "seen" as the Hand of God though (something also done in Jewish iconography), or portraying Jesus as the Ancient of Days can link back to the Father without actually showing Him.


a0e133 No.666524

>interprenetation

Interpenetration*

It's been a long day, leave me alone


d0cfdd No.666525

>>666522

>Great Moscow Synod of 1666 forbade

nobody cares


3c8ce4 No.666528

>>666508

Atleast we follow scripture


082988 No.666548

>>666508

Try taking the advice. You might learn something.


ec8bb4 No.666549

>>666528

>Atleast we follow scripture

And who gave you that?


2bb220 No.666594

>>666460

we do not have pics like that in my church


f69bcc No.666625

>>666549

The Lord?


d0cfdd No.666629

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>>666625

Aaaaand how do you know that Lord gave you these books and not Gospel of Judas or Apocalypse of Peter?


f69bcc No.666674

>>666629

Those books were not included in the KJV canon.


05fa53 No.666680

>>666674

So weird how many Anglicans there are on this board


e42e8c No.666688

>>666674

Sola Scriptura right after we get rid of that pesky Apocrypha.


4d1b04 No.666705

>>666629

John 10:4-5

And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.

And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.


2009ef No.666710

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>>666522

>Great Moscow Synod of 1666

>having authority outside your meme national Church


eebefd No.666712

>>666688

>HUUUURRRR DUUURRRRRRR MUH KJV


05fa53 No.666720

>>666710

<Dumb Orthos dont you know you make icons of the Father too, heres some mostly Slavic examples

>Here's the results of a Slavic councils from nearly 400 years ago saying they aren't ok

<HA you think your ethnic councils mean anything

They aren't sending their best


d3b0d5 No.667032

>>666625

So you acknowledge that The Lord is one with his Church? Good, you actually know the scripture.

Now, why don't you do as it says?


322e93 No.667035

File: f9d56e500a0b816⋯.jpg (64.38 KB, 283x400, 283:400, thalalaios.jpg)

>>666447

t. Moslem


e42e8c No.667039

>>666501

So did Moses sin a few verses later when God commanded him to build the Ark of The Covenant with two cherubim on it?


88c6e6 No.667055

>>666720

Moscow doesn't have authority over other Slavic churches like Bulgaria and Serbia. And similar icons were made by Greeks and Georgians as well. Also, youissed the point, that decrees of local church synod can be changed and is not dogmatic.




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