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>>665182

Probably a new form of lust that you have to struggle with. Are any of your relatives gay?

praying will work also chastity, nofap, bible and church

>>665182

>years of viewing pornography

It always comes down to this. That or anime, both seem to lead to disordered sexuality

>>665182

Crap like this tends attract incubi which urge otherwise normal people to then accelerate down further ever more depraved degeneracies. You can be rid of it, though. Pray and repent with sincerity, cut the porn, and ask the holy angels to remove the thing from you.

>>665182

>>665185

This, but not jokingly. Porn offers a fantasy that deludes perceptions. As someone who consumed a lot of porn when a little younger, I came to the realization that as I had got bored of simple subjects, my replacement choices became more and more exotic. After I realized that I began fighting back. You need to remove it from your life, and try to see beatiful or cute things to fill the hole. I think rather than you having true homosexual tendencies your choice of entertainment is encoding it into you.

Also try a fast with natural foods for awhile, as removing commercialized addititves from your diet might help place your libido in a range where you can control it better. Daily prayer and truly beautiful artwork can also help lessen porn desires.

>>665190

I'm curious how watching hetero pornography supposedly leads to homosexuality.

>>665191

>incubi

No such thing

>and ask the holy angels to

You ask GOD, not angels

Here’s some more information if any one is interested: So, I was solely attracted to girls until I was 18. I had been viewing pornography since I was 14 and when I was 18, I got too curious and started looking at traps. I'm 19 now and after a year, it's gotten worse. I now look at thin femboys daily. Lately, at night, I've been dressing up and styling my hair in a feminine way while listening to “girly” music. I've also been purposely losing weight to look more boyish/androgynous. I haven't tried to hook up with any boys in real life or anything, but I’ll be honest that I fantasize about having a boyfriend sometimes. I’m still attracted to girls, but I don’t think much about them anymore.

I still feel remorse after looking at traps, femboys, whatever. I feel like a degenerate. But, of course I find myself still doing it. I know I should stop looking at guys (and quit porn in general), but I feel like I’m stuck with this homolust regardless. Is it possible for myself to be transformed back into my purely heterosexual self through prayer and abstaining from porn or am I now stuck being a “bisexual Christian”? Is it possible to be a legitimate Christian yet lust after the same gender? Do I just keep asking for forgiveness for my lustful thoughts about guys until I die? It’s been messing with my identity and relationship with God.

I would appreciate any responses (and thanks for the responses so far), since my parents wouldn’t care (they’re both pretty socially liberal and my dad’s not even a Christian) and I can’t get myself to admit any of this to Christian friends. So yeah. I’ll stop blogposting now, heh.

>>665198

The homolust desire is a habit perhaps. You just need to train yourself to stop doing these things. It takes time and effort, but pray daily and you will succeed.

>>665193

>consumes abnormal amounts of (vanilla) porn

>time passes

>you can't get off to vanilla so you look up new stuff

>repeat

That's why this whole "trap" meme became popular.

>>665198

Here's what you need to do

>pray

>fast

>go to church

>talk to your priest

>get busy doing productive stuff

If you still can't stop watching that crap you need to take a break from the internet.

Don't let the devil trick you, you can always come back to God. You can always turn from sin.

>>665184

To my knowledge, none of my relatives are gay.

>>665185

I know, I know. I-I-I'm not a reprobate though, r-r-right? ;_;

>>665188

For sure. I've tried nofap, but the only problem now is that when I relapse, I end up looking at material that's even more degenerate than before. I really should pray and read Scripture more often though.

>>665191

>ask the holy angels

Shouldn't prayer to the Lord suffice though?

>>665192

>I think rather than you having true homosexual tendencies your choice of entertainment is encoding it into you

I hope this is the case.

>>665193

I don't want to be too graphic, but personally, this is how I've ended up where I'm at now:

When I was 14, I only looked at material involving women. Once I was 15, I started looking at stuff that involved a man and a woman. When I was 16, I began leaving the "vanilla" stuff and looking for fetish material (older women like 50+ year olds, overweight women with some being morbidly obese, and mom-son roleplay). I started getting really bored of this when I was 17. I became so bored that I actually would just go weeks of not even looking at porn. But, when I was 18, I was introduced to traps through /r9k/. (I no longer browse that board by the way. I basically stopped a year ago, but the damage has been done.)

I felt more confused than ever, but the novelty of it all was too exciting. At first, I only looked at non-nude photos of the most "feminine" traps, but of course within a few months I started watching hardcore videos of them. That wasn't enough and in the past month or so, I've started to look at very boyish traps and even just crossdressing guys.

I'm still attracted to women, but as you can see, my mind is now rotted with fetishes and perversion. :|

>>665182

Is it the you wanna get winnie the pooed by them or do you want to winnie the poo their feminine boy parts? You could easily get rid of it just as easily you got it.

>>665182

>but has developed an attraction to femboys after years of viewing pornography.

Pissing me off here, anon.

You know what the problem is, you even stated it yourself, but you love it too much to let it go.

>>665182

You're looking for compassion and advice?

I think you need a little more than that. The compassion and advice you can find in an anonymous image board will only be as real and effective as your post here.

I seriously doubt this is a sincere call for help. It sounds like a shit-test.

It's telling that you bring your concerns here, and that those concerns are textbook concerns about porn and its effect on "you".

You are acting like your tastes in sex are changing beyond your control, yet those things that are within your control (dressing up as a woman, long hair, girly music) you do not control. What in actual fact DO you control to curb this if this is SUCH a concern for you? You post on an anonymous image-board?

On the off-chance that an actual person reads this for advice, I'll ask a few questions and offer a bit of advice:

Is your father in your life? If so, then tell him about all of this. If he still supports your changing (and this should be pointed out) VIRTUAL sexual tastes, then you should try to decide who your male role models.

Get yourself enrolled in a scared-straight program or just go to a jail DRESSED AS A GIRL, and see whether you feel as good as you do dancing around, privately. Fear. Fear of hellfire and damnation is so lacking in our world today. You should fear these desires because you could end up a victim. Statistically, this is true. If you don't know the stats, look them up, and recite them before every time you start to act out this way.

Don't go cold-turkey. Fap without porn.

Do you hate yourself? Do you wish to never bring your mini-me into the world?

You have to decide what you must hate. And if you're Christian, it's natural to hate sin and the devil.

pathetic

Mod Edit: Removed overt hatred of Jews and replaced with actual theology.

>>665198

>>665182

The passions are never satiated; they only grow as you feed them. Traps are just the next "bigger hit" in your addiction to porn, just like any other addiction needs bigger and bigger doses as time goes on to get the same rush. You're not gay. The only solution is chastity (stop looking at porn, stop fapping, stop fantasizing) and prayer. Private confession also helps. Once you've been "clean" for awhile the acquired bizarre fetishes should go away.

>>665182

>>665198

was in the same boat, I had a femdom and later a femboy fetish, I had concluded that I was a "bisexual Christian" and that it was all perfectly fine. But I wasn't actually a real Christian, I never went to church or read scripture or the Church fathers, and I rarely prayed.

When I started the path to being an actual Christian I realized how wrong I was about sexuality, and it was hard but I largely am over it. I stopped looking at the offensive material for the most part (I've had slip ups every now and then with more vanilla material, but they happen less and less, and I don't feel the urge for bizarre perversions anymore) and I pray and read scripture and the Church fathers, and am in the process of begoming Orthodox, which has been the biggest help to me.

And what also will really help cure you of it is falling in love with a woman, the perversions I used to love now disgust me after getting out and dating. The hollow pleasure of lusts feels like nothing in comparison to hugging the girl I love.

>>665301

Isn't it amazing how these old sins we would cling to no longer have no sweet poison for us? God bless you and may He keep up our strength against sin.

>>665293

that pic is beyond retarded.

>>665322

I've seen the exact same images used to show your brain on about 30 different things: rap music, meth, video games, etc. It's totally bogus

>>665210

at least you started PMO when you were 14 and feeling sodomite pooh at 18. i started PMO when i was 8 or 9 and ive felt sodomite pooh as far as i can remember. i screwed over my formative puberty years and i threw what little SMV i had down the drain forever.

>Porn makes you gay

Huh, I've viewed (past tense) drawn/fictional straight porn for almost 8 years when I hit puberty and I never turned gay or any sort of deviant. In fact, I think it cemented my aversion to homoshit and gave me this one fetish to find a pure loving wife to dedicate my life to, from protecting her smile and providing for her, to attending her sexual need to the fullest, putting her happiness above my own. It also helped me cleanse my mind of carnal need, and as a result I managed to evade most of the lust-ridden phase of my teens as it removed the lustful desire from my mind when in the presence of real women. I never even slept around even once by my own choice because I realised that extramarital sex was wrong. I always thought porn was a coping mechanism to kill off lust as I wait, because I don't find myself coveting any woman.

Is it still wrong?

>>665206

It's not the porn that's a trap,

the whole "trap" thing came from assholes posting scantily clad pics of themselves, getting other people to get off on them and then, right at the end, laughing their asses off and claiming they'd made the men jerking it gay.

Literally femboys trying to turn straights into gays. That's why, as soon as someone suspected that the person in pics was male, they posted Admiral Akbar saying "It's a trap!"

Literally just stop watching porn. In a few months time of not even seeing naked flesh, you'll once again be disgusted by traps and faggots. It will be difficult, because you're probably addicted, but the nofap thread is there to help you. Use its resources!

It never ceases to amaze me how watching porn can actually rewire your orientation to liking traps and futa or just completely feminine ephebes.

>>665335

>it hasn't happened to me so it's impossible for everyone

And yes, it is still wrong. The way you describe it sounds almost like you shortcircuited natural desires for artificial gratification, thinking that you have somehow bridled them with porn when all you have done is worn them out by excessive indulgence.

It is entirely natural to have those feelings for real women. You are supposed to have them, to harness them and guide them toward meeting an actual spouse. Your "fetish" just sounds like you are trying mentally to catch up to do what you should have done years ago without porn.

This would be like a murderer coming to realise that he might have been friends with one of his victims. It doesn't make the original act any less wrong.

>>665213

Wow. That is pretty crazy what porn can do to you. I recommend changing your DNS settings to OpenDNS Family Shield which will block all adult sites that you try to access via your router.

>>665376

I don't think my drive is shortcircuited, as I still think about how nice life would be with a wife and to tend her needs without any lustful incentive. I even managed escape porn addiction on my own. Doesn't help that I was born in a country where Christendom has been attacked by communism and almost everyone around me is immoral despite christianity being the most "followed" (and dwindling) religion, run by a blatantly corrupt government that's making the lives of its people comparable to slavery, not to mention the countless outside dangers that hurt and destroy marriages beyond their control. I would have had a wife by now but I'm not yet financially stable for it. I don't want her to suffer, and I realize I must wait.

>>665383

That's good to hear anon, and I hope your libido has recovered to a natural level.

>I would have had a wife by now but I'm not yet financially stable for it. I don't want her to suffer, and I realize I must wait.

When my parents got married and were expecting me, they were dirt poor. Any money they had went into buying a house, and once they got it they had next to nothing to spare, once again saving any money they had to help turn it into a home, with my dad having even to work two jobs. They made do with what they had and did it alone with no help from anyone, and things only started to look up once I was in school. Since then they have lived off the abundant fruits of their sacrifice.

My point is that if you meet someone and are willing to marry them, then something like financial considerations ought to be less important than the life you will have together. This might sound like big, romantic talk from some anon whom you don't know from Adam, but the experiences of my parents (and it must also be said, countless ancestors, too) has given me the firm belief that if you and your partner are willing to make your life together work, then you will make it work. Throw in the support of the Lord who invites you to cast your cares upon Him, and who can stop you? Having someone whom you love and who depends on you (and vice versa for your spouse) will encourage you to really work to make your new life worth it.

Romanian?

>>665387

Pornography used to be my way to get rid of stress and wrong thoughts basically, so I wouldn't let it become something worse…

Brazil.

It's living hell to be here and my days have been very sad and lonely for some years now. 50% of the population is in poverty, more murders per year than the Syrian civil war, working 5 months a year solely to pay taxes that only serve to make the politicians richer, and all semblance of christian morality is being erased, outlawed and forgotten in our society. More LGBT laws on the horizon. We're on the verge of becoming another Venezuela, almost 40 years in the making. You have no idea how bad things are going, I'm fearing for my family a lot these days.

I don't even know if I'll live long enough to find a woman. Statistically 70% likely to be murdered before I'm in my 30's.

>>665394

Brazil? or somewhere in Europe?

>>665398

>Empire

If only.

I'm tired of this farse of a republic, achieved through a coup. It troubles me greatly to know that rebelling against the government is looked down upon in the scripture, because physical removal of the corrupt rulers will soon become the only option left.

>>665409

Brazil, Latin America. As in, the future of the First World if they don't start fighting back soon.

>>665182

Not exactly prayer, but anything that is a boost to your mental health will be great. Prayer is, albeit important, one of them.

Good to see a young man turning away from porn.

>>665413

City?

I am 21 and I am in the same boat. I have sadly become a deviant who masturbates daily to traps and children. It has come to the point where I know a lot of trap pornstar and follow them on Twitter and I know the name of many chule models. Shamefully, I probably know more non pornographic child model than the name of saints. Pornography really burns your brain and makes you want to go deeper and deeper. First it is Sears catalog, then internet porn, then JAV, then other degenerate trash, then traps and finally you become a peadophile.

>>665182

>>665198

>Can I "pray the gay away"?

Yes. I had a similar situation, in that porn had made me almost completely homosexual, though I have thank God never practiced it. I'm on NoFap for more than 3 months now - even though I relapsed a few times, and on the rare occasion I do get lustful thoughts they are only 5% homosexual as opposed to 80% before. I look forward to getting it down to 0% within the next 3 months.

The goal of NoFap is to banish lustful thoughts from your mind, since as Christ said, "But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart." - Matthew 5:28, and only then can you actually keep it up not to masturbate or fornicate.

>I now look at thin femboys daily.

>Lately, at night, I've been dressing up and styling my hair in a feminine way

>but I feel like I’m stuck with this homolust regardless

No you're not. Just stop doing it. Also, become Orthodox, the no tolerance policy towards homosexual behavior will help get you back on the Christian path.

I hope very much you make it, God be with you. Remember, we all have had our sins, but only by virtue and repentance do we get ourselves closer to God.

>>665184

>Are any of your relatives gay?

It's not genetic so this is irrelevant.

>>665197

In the moment, the sinfulness is intoxicating, but afterwards, yes, it is gross. Very, very gross. I know. I've asked for forgiveness today for my sinfulness involving pornography, homosexuality, and so on. I honestly haven't done so in a while. I'm quitting porn and now I've gone a day without it. I know it's not much of an accomplishment, but it's a start.

>>665200

The only thing is that for the past year or so, I basically completely stopped looking at women and only looked at traps, femboys, etc. It'll be quite tough now, but as you said, with time, effort, and daily prayer, I can hopefully revert to my old self.

>>665208

I appreciate the advice and spiritual encouragement. Thanks, anon. One thing though, I'm curious as to how fasting will help with getting rid of my gay thoughts/fantasies.

>>665230

Wew, let's just say I'm a pitcher, not a catcher. The thought of intercourse with a trap has become something of a fantasy. Buuuuut, I still don't want to do anything with the "boy parts", as you put it, like touch them or, um, other things. I'll leave it at that. I could go way more in depth, but it's going to be gross and just unnecessary.

>>665238

I know that my sinfulness of porn watching has led to my degenerate attraction and that I should stop looking at that stuff. I should've clarified what I was originally asking. This is what I'm concerned about: I'm wondering if I'm now forever stuck with homolust even after quitting porn and if so, I'm then wondering how I reconcile a non-heterosexual orientation with being a Christian.

>>665258

>You're looking for compassion and advice?

Advice, yes, but compassion, not exactly. It's fine if you want to be a little harsher in judgement. I deserve that as well.

>Is your father in your life?

Yes and he's a great one in regard to his financial support and general kindness to me. Regardless, my dad and I have nearly nothing in common and as a result, we're not close. I never really talk to him much even though we've been living under the same roof for nearly two decades. I've never had a strong male figure in my life really.

>Get yourself enrolled in a scared-straight program or just go to a jail DRESSED AS A GIRL, and see whether you feel as good as you do dancing around, privately.

I don't harbor transgender feelings if that's what you were thinking. I know I addressed the times in which I've "dressed up", but I should've clarified that. That was part of some stupid and weird fantasy I had of being a cute teenage boy with my femboy boyfriend as we listened to girly music. It was inspired by "romantic" videos of femboys that I had watched. Still, yeah, it's an abomination and I'm stopping that.

>And if you're Christian, it's natural to hate sin and the devil.

For sure. This particular sin of lust happens to be the hardest one for myself. I find it more natural to hate other forms of sin, but sexual sin has become something that I've disgustingly reveled in. I am trying to make a change and it started yesterday. I'm on day 2 now of no porn.

>Mod Edit: Removed overt hatred of Jews

kek

>>665268

>/r9k/ suggests trap porn

Yup, this basically is what happened to me. To add on to that, last year when I was 18, there was a guy from /r9k/ who had a fetish for teenage boy's feet and he was trying to convince me to send him pictures of my feet, do video chats with him, etc. by paying me. The idea of making money from it was tempting, but I didn't follow through with it thankfully. /r9k/ is super degenerate.

>>665301

That's awesome that you've been able to overcome it. So, would you say the gay thoughts are completely gone? Either way, I really appreciate your response. It's nice to see how the Lord has helped you.

>>665332

>i started PMO when i was 8 or 9 and ive felt sodomite pooh as far as i can remember

Wow, so did the gay feelings result from too much porn or did you immediately seek out gay porn?

>>665375

Yup, started NoFap yesterday.

>>665460

>who masturbates daily to traps and children

>children

Please tell me this is just some weird trolling… Like, I know I'm some homo degenerate, but, anon…

>>665525

>I'm curious as to how fasting will help with getting rid of my gay thoughts/fantasies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ahDIiKzwTk

I'm sure you will learn to "appreciate" women. Do you retain physical attraction for women?

Anyway don't worry. Some people are gay and can live happily being Christians. They are creative and good persons. Special in a way anon. Just don't be a fag. Do not commit impure acts.

>>665213

>>665268

>>665533

>>665560

Can someone enlighten me what /r9k/ is? I've never been active part on boards besides /int/, /a/, /vg/ and /tg/ (and /pol/ for a brief moment of time). Though what you people are describing, it seems that degenerates from that place did pollute /int/ with pederast threads and foot fetishists.

>>665213

>lesbian to straight to fetish, ultimately progressing towards homo

That's how it always happens, anon. The shit turns you gay, but luckily it can be reversed. You need to completely commit yourself to that. It seems like you already know that problem but keep doing it. That's proof that you need Jesus; you might want to seek a Christian addiction recovery/rehab service.

>>665210

Nofap alone isn't enough. It will just end in relapse and hopelessness. When you remove something from your life, you need to replace it with something. Replace your degenerating sexuality with Christ. Get married while you're at it.

>>665580

>r9k

Was supposed to be a revolutionary board where you couldn't post the same picture twice. Everything would be original. Concept destroyed in two seconds and it became flooded with people crying about how they have no gf.

>>665533

i think it was immediately gay porn. back in elementary school, and my body couldnt even produce "fluids" :\

i winnie the pooed my whole life.

>>665525

Uhm start watching cute girls i guess. Or cut your dick. Im serious.

This is the best advice. Abstain from it till you dont want it anymore.

>>665525

Uhm start watching cute girls i guess. Or cut your dick. Im serious.

This is one of the best advice. Abstain from it till you dont want it anymore.

Im 18 and dont call yourself a boy. Men our age should have been used to put things our way and experience the roughness of life.

I really cant blame you though, if it werent for my homophobia that i got from my childhood i would be a femboy addict myself.

>>665533

>That's awesome that you've been able to overcome it. So, would you say the gay thoughts are completely gone? Either way, I really appreciate your response. It's nice to see how the Lord has helped you.

for the most part, I don't get them very often anymore, there's the occasional passing one but it's nothing like I felt before.

>>665182

It goes away, as you pull away from pornography, you're going to feel yourself pull away from the mentality of porn. This is going to be an oven of temptation, but persevere truly and you will find yourself liberated.

It helps to remember the obvious things we forget, that He who set the cosmos in supreme order is clearly a force stronger than your sin. If you want God to be a force in you, then let him. Open your heart, committed prayer, etc.

>>665533

>Please tell me this is just some weird trolling…

Sadly, no, that is how I am. Pornography has corrupted and rotten my brain. These these only traps and girls turn me to lust, and I think I am too deep in the rabbit hole to come out. Get out before you start to have the same feelings as I do.

>>665182

Stop watching porn. Throw your laptop away, put your bank account on a lock, throw your phone away. Go to the woods if you have to. This will lead you so far from God and you should be terrified. Get away from it no matter what it takes

>>665926

Who is it who conquered sin? Who shall you turn to with faith and vigilance? Let us not deify our sin, brothers.

>>665184

Homosexuality is not genetic, stop beleiving the (((lie))).

>>665566 (checkedekcehc)

We can only pray, triple palendromic dubsman, we can only pray.

>>672792

Thank you friend, but prayer will only get you so far. You still have to meet God halfway with your actions and will.

>>672795

Well, I'm not gay so I don't have this issue.

>>665198

St Paul says the effeminate (you) will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. Repent or you will go to hell.

You cannot be Christian and homosexual.

Please hurry to repent of your perversion, OP, before Christ comes from the East.

Stop looking at porn, stop believing the lie that you were born this way, and receive communion as often as possible.

>tfw don't want to get involved with local church cause don't want to cause any trouble cause suspect i've been reprobated

>>665198

The solution is:

- water fasting (drink only water; you could do it for a month, look it up)

- cold showers (hot showers make you weak)

- nofap (permanent)

>>665258

>Don't go cold-turkey. Fap without porn.

Shut up.

>>665258

>Mod Edit: Removed overt hatred of Jews and replaced with actual theology.

Scary if true

>>665198

If you can stop watching pornography, that will probably right you after a time. I've been trying to limit my exposure to it and I've found that strange urges I've had previously have lessened greatly as time goes on. I think you'll find the same effect. If you can also do a strict Lenten-style diet, I found that was a good focus as well. In general de-stimulating yourself will reset your brain back to it's "zero point", in my general experience.

>>685572

Also, it goes without saying, cutting off the porn must go with no active-conscious fapping activities (as opposed to passive events like nocturnal emissions). To not do so renders the exercise fruitless.

>>685688

Pornographic indulgence doesn't necessarily make you pick up homosexual impulses by default. Rather, it's all gateways. You start out with simple viewing habits and then as those wear thin you gate into more exotic explorations. I highly doubt that anyone truly picks up a "real" fetish from porn by itself, but it can turn into one if you actually indulge in it with someone else. And that does become an increasing risk as you are reprogrammed by it. If you can cut it off and control your urges, you can normalize your thought process. I'm absolutely certain about it.

>>685688

>>685733

>sent too early

Not my best look for this thread.

So, anon, I think there is hope for you. You might feel Bi, but that's because of the porn. Just cut it out of your life, stop fapping, and start ruminating important things. Cut out impulses as much as you can. I think you can right your own ship.

Start lifting. Channel your urges. I've been nofap for almost 2 years.

>>665182

Stop watching porn dumb shit, you've got your brain overly tolerant to dopamine

Do nofap for 90 days and get a gf

>>686808

This is a great temptation, not just in the fact that you have urges of lust but the fact that you are not trusting in Gods mercy. If you go to confession and your sins are wiped away you are worthy to take the Eucharist and die a holy death. DO NOT think that you are worthless. There comes a time where it's appropriate to say to yourself "I am a sinner" then there is also a time to say to yourself "God loves me."

>>665182

I myself almost done with just masturbating to softcore porn and there are also binaurals that help with it. Literally can be done in less than a month, yes I know its still sinful and if you're stronger than me you shouldn't do it but otherwise I'm going to fall in even worse place.

>>665182

OP, prayer is useless if you're not going to do anything about it. You need to do everything in your might to stop watching porn, then you pray. Remember the man that built his house on the rock instead of sand?

>>665184

Scientifically, this a well-known disorder known as HOCD where your sexual tastes change based on intense pornographic consumption (do a web-search if you don't believe me). Despite the overwhelming scientific evidence that porn damages the brain, there is no scientific proof regarding homosexuality being genetic. Homosexuality is a demonic infestation.

>>687699

>Do nofap for 90 days

It should be permanent.

>>665194

could you clarify, please?

>>665210

Honey, I'm sorry, but you're bi. It's as like as not your desire for men was there before you viewed porn, and that just brought it out. Whether you choose to act on that is up to you. This comes from a place of compassion- I struggle with this too.

>>665182

It hasn't helped the Catholic clergy at all.

>>695059

There are psychological studies showing that homosexuals have an absentee father figure in an overwhelming majority of cases. A lack of intimate bonding with the father leaves a need in the child for male attention that manifests itself in attention seeking behaviour that twists into carnal desires over time. The condition may not be reversable. Best method is prevention. Love your sons.

>>695421

What about the crisis of fatherlessness in America? This has mostly reared it's head with the hyper-masculinity you see in affected subcultures, which takes a staunch anti-homosexual stance. Say what you will whether that's for good or ill, but wouldn't this run contrary to that?

>>695414

>get bullied and made fun through all your life

>dude why don't you got out lmao, like just talk to people

>>695059

>Scientifically, this a well-known disorder known as HOCD where your sexual tastes change based on intense pornographic consumption (do a web-search if you don't believe me). Despite the overwhelming scientific evidence that porn damages the brain, there is no scientific proof regarding homosexuality being genetic. Homosexuality is a demonic infestation.

Yep, saw a succubus one night, got aroused and everything. It asked me if I wanted to become a succubus. Bewitched and oddly unable to say no, I consented. The next day I was able to get off to gay stuff, despite finding it gross for decades. Please pray for me. I screwed up and need serious help.

>>696693

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>>695519

Not true with sexual desires. If you went down a dark path, while not masturbating is still good for your soul it's not a panacea for unnatural tastes.

Bump

>>665182

Hey man, having been through some really similar circumstances I've got some advice as to a process:

1. Quit porn. Don't give yourself the chance, use parental controls on your devices, if you have an account on a website like gelbooru where you can save favorites delete the account, or if impossible delete your favorites.

2. Feel free to jerk off if it feels really bad, but do so without pron. But be mindful of it and try to wean yourself away.

3. Try to see how long you can keep going and if certain things make a difference in you getting horny, so you know what other stuff you should stop doing that you didn't notice earlier.

4. Rinse and repeat.

You might screw up, but don't be discouraged if you do. Whenever urges hit live it moment by moment, prayer and mindfulness make the urges seem less gargantuan and tortuous, and though it's hard at first, you feel more and more powerful against the urge each time. Replace the masculine fantasies involving sex by narratively visualizing in your head the fantasy of the man even more masculine, a master or a sage more powerful than the other man through experience, who is beyond such things, feminine wiles and temporary pleasures are very beneath someone of his advancement. Which of those men would you rather be? The guy that porn has put in your brain? Or someone like the desert fathers?

I've still got a long way to go, but I've gotten a lot better. One day at a time. I still look at some guys sometimes and fall back into that way of thinking even now. But it happens less and less, to the point where its more like a bad memory. When I started on this ordeal I thought I was completely gay. Then when I converted and started having non-creepy sexual habits I am straight now, aside from the occasional unskillful thought.

>>665182

Stop masturbating and looking at that shit

>Can I "pray the gay away"?

of course, but god probably wont grant you your prayer on account of you're a massive faggot

>>665182

Perversion keeps growing as long as you feed it, so it needs to be starved. It's definitely not easy, but if you surrender yourself to Jesus, then He will give you the power to walk in the light. His blood will definitely cleanse you (1 John 1:7).

>>686812

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OP here!

I feel convicted to give an "update" of sorts and also reply to some posts. I originally bumped this thread with that intention, but ended up not getting to it. I will this time though. Appreciate all the posts and anons though. Thank you. Unfortunately, I don't have such great news, but nonetheless, I still want to share and I want to be honest. Long post incoming.

>>665193

Porn promotes all sorts of perversion. You basically watch other guy's penis. Sure at first you get off by watching the woman. But the other guy's penis is still there and there might be a link. Also you see various things by accident if you tend to browse porn sites. After some time "normal" becomes boring so you go for "abnormal"

>>665198

>bisexual nonsense.

You're a normal guy that has been misled by years of watching porn. You are attracted to girls because that's your nature. You are meant to impregnate a woman whom you marry, have a family. Your inner voice tells you you're a degenerate because you currently are one. As I have said those "ideas" were put in your head and your struggle is to get them out, to heal your mind.

>I feel like a degenerate.

This is how we feel when we stray from God, that is a natural feeling

>Is it possible to be a legitimate Christian yet lust after the same gender?

no.

> Do I just keep asking for forgiveness for my lustful thoughts about guys until I die?

Not until you die, just until your mind and your soul heal.

>It’s been messing with my identity and relationship with God.

As any other mortal sin.

Look I presume you're not a baiting Anon. So here's an honest response on what to do:

Stop watching porn. ALL porn. Go to purity thread for help. No excuses.

Stop masturbating.

Stop dressing and acting femininely, listen to gregorian/orthodox chants rather than listening to feminine music

Go work out, gain some weight. That will increase your testosterone. Lifting is a good idea, push ups/pul ups are also fine.

GO CONFESS. No need to talk about it with your friends. Confess the sins to priest, talk with him about why it happened, about the dangers of pornography. His advice will be of help to you. He will surely encourage you in your struggle when he sees you're honestly fighting.

Fight the relapses by attending church regularly, going to communion, confession, regular prayer.

No masturbation, no porn and regular working out will stabilize your sex drive. Through repentance, prayer and sacraments you will eventually break the perversion.

Fasting will help you in your spiritual struggle. It will clear your mind and open new ways to understand what God has to say to you.Also read scripture daily. Small bits but daily.

Now stop the excuses and get to work. You're not too far gone you just need a complete reboot. If you look for compassion you've come to wrong place. Now man up and get to work

>>673089

>>673092

>>677762

Being hellbound is of course incredibly frightening. What also has been troubling me greatly is whether I'm a reprobate. I'm not exactly sold on reprobate theology, but nonetheless, I'm aware of passages such as Romans 1 and I'm still overall open to it. Even though I believe in Christ as the Savior, can I still be damned for homosexuality? This thought would freak me out and I would try to not think about it much. But, at the same time, I'm focusing on ridding myself of homosexual feelings, so perhaps I'm not a reprobate. Why would a reprobate want to turn from sin? But, thinking I'm not a reprobate seems like something a reprobate would think, so I don't know. It's all kind of confusing.

>>715878

>Everyday, I at least could look forward to finding new cute boys

Legit the gayest thing I've ever read

I believe one's orientation lies where one truly feels love and not just some kink that makes you cum fast. One isn't bootsexual because you have a boot fetish. Maybe it's just that kinks are mistakenly associated with one's true orientation.

Knowing this one should proceed with that in mind.

>>685688

>but instead i'll keep watching anime and porn

Prognosis: grim

I hate to be cynical but this thread just seems like a vanity project for OP, who seems to be basking in the male attention. In other words, this thread is actually turning him gayer. He says he is "going to try" to stop watching porn. Maybe a few more (you)'s will finally convince him, tee hee

OP, some very important takeaways from this thread:

>pray

>nofap

>hit the gym and lift, if you can't lift the bar by itself start with very light free weights until you can lift the bar then switch to the bar and add plates as you gain strength. Lift until you can't anymore. Expect to spend at least 30 minutes 3 times a day doing this.

>EAT EAT EAT

>no really, in conjunction with lifting you need protein, protein, protein! But also in general, gain weight. Eat meat, beans, etc. for meals. Liquid cheese (like queso dip, not powder cheese) is a good treat as well that has the added benefit of giving you essential fats for healthy skin, hair, etc.

As your testosterone level increases, start looking into opportunities to interact with people more.

Getting /fit/ helps drive away the gay in addition to prayer and nofap. It teaches you discipline which you can apply to sexuality, and it raises your testosterone level so that you become more masculine and naturally desire women more, and shift more into a hunter's mindset as men should have.

>>665193

It's a mix of "curiosity", desensitization pushing people to extremes and you are watching someone else screw a girl.

>>715996

>Telling someone who probably hasn't exercised before to lift

Your first priority should be couch to 5k and losing weight. Lifting comes after that.

>>716010

>Your first priority should be couch to 5k and losing weight

This guy is more on the side of anorexic. He's in a great, very rare place where he can basically eat completely carefree. It would be foolish not to also start lifting while starting to bulk up, so that your body distributes the nutrients more correctly.

>>715918

Hey OP - if you've got a steam or discord or something and want to discuss this stuff more in depth, I'm an open pair of ears. I've been through basically the exact same things as you, maybe worse even. I'm still trying to claw myself out of the pit, even now.

As someone who has also dealt with pornography attachment I can assure that the attraction to men is purely a product of large amounts of pornography. As you take in lots of porn your brain’s receptors get worn down and require more new stuff to please it, and that’s how a lot of fetishes develop

I would suggest getting rid of your internet connection, switching your smart phone to a dumb phone, and limiting use of a computer.

Get hobbies that are IRL.

Exercise, church, reading (bible) are what you should be doing.

>>715918

You're welcome.

This is a good summary >>715996

Soul and spirit are entwined in one complex. Unless you do something about yoour body, your soul will have trouble healing and vice versa.

I cannot overestimate this: Get your testosterone level back to normal. That's the first reason why you're acting feminine. Go to no fap thread and /fit/, start from there. Ask God for help in your stuggle

Yes; pray and seek help from the people of God around you: a strong community united in prayer can help you immensely and it will make it more difficult for you to fall into temptation.

I still suffer from SSA, but I am slowly (and not without the occasional fall due to my weakness) recovering.

I’m going to pray for you, brother: please pray for me. In God nothing is impossible.

You're only attracted to it because it looks like a girl, just stop looking at that stuff my man.

I suffer from SSA, not hard-hitting one, but still...I am clean from porn and I haven't masturbated in almost a month now after one failure (a "friend" posted some lewd stuff on FB); like other anons here pointed out, and like >>716192

and >>727273 eloquently pointed out, slowly get rid of internet and reacquaint yerself with God, your brethren and even yourself with prayer, moments of "desert" (isolation in a church, in which you meditate on the Bible or reflect on the lives of great example of Christianity such as the saints of ancient and modern times), activities with others and hobbies you pursue on our own free time.

When you work or rest, do mental prayer, trying to live a simple and chaste life.

I don't know if those lustful thoughts, some of which are the results of years of self-abuse and even a sexual abuse at the end of another man, will ever leave me, but I know this: if they'll be removed from me, I'll give thanks to God; if they'll stay with me, I shall never doubt that they are a challenge God calls me to and for which He also gave me all the tools and the strength I need to succeed, no mater the hardships. We are forged by struggle and tolls into the tools God wants to shape up into: some of us He turns into swords, some of us He wants to be plows, others thongs to put burning coals into thuribles in His temples.

Be strong, you are not alone, we are praying for you and God is on our side; and keep this in mind: Si Deus Pro Nobis, Quis Contra Nos?

If God is with us, who will be against us?

(and yes, the world and the Devil are against us, but they pale when facing our Lord in might and power)

I'm the guy from >>665524

NoFap and prayer has worked exactly as I anticipated. For the last 2-3 months I haven't had a SINGLE homosexual lustful thought, only heterosexual ones. So much for the "gay genes" and "lifelong burden" nonsense. You can pray the gay away 100%, and it works.

Believe in God and don't be a faggot (like I was but am not anymore).

https://youtu.be/6uEXSw4Zm3U

https://youtu.be/gQT9zf3xslk

https://youtu.be/gm9JPJ5-bjc

https://youtu.be/j_iYSWeAqVI

https://youtu.be/SZ45-ETaLcs

>can I stop punching myself in the face with prayer?

First you need to stop punching yourself in the face.

>>665524

Similar experience, though not as bad. Definitely, abstaining from bad parts of Internet and porn and prayer go a long way. Also talking to someone else about it if you muster it.

>>665182

Stop watching porn

Do things that raise your testosterone

Fast and pray

That's it

Anon who had a demon turn him gay here. Suddenly gone from only able to get off to cocks to straight as a board. The curse wore off. It was a terrifying experience though, knowing a spirit can control something like your sexuality with something as easy as a figurative flip of a switch. Run away from demons if they approach you and talk to your guardian angel. Free will isn't all it's shilled to be. You're a biological machine that can be easily winnie the poohed with.

>>715878

Some things to do then:

1. Get jacked

2. Grow a beard

3. Put a mirror somewhere nearby so you can look at your masculine self every day and realise that you are a man.

1) is hard but can be done over time. Start doing heavy weights, stronglifts 5x5 is a good start, and it all works with just barbells. There's a phone app for free that tells you everything, even up to what workouts to do. I found myself in your position but not as far gone, lifting made me forget it all.

2) is piss easy, even if you're young and it looks a little patchy (mid 20s and I'm starting to lose some of my stubborn patchy parts now). Once you see yourself with a beard, the haze of erotic thoughts can't twist your face into that of a woman's. You may be handsome, but you won't be beautiful.

3) The mirror is a constant reminder once 1 and 2 are done or on the way - your mind thinks of yourself as a woman, or a young child, or some other thing than who you are. Look from your screen to the mirror, and you see you for yourself.

Above all continue to pray, as we all here pray for you. I know it feels hopeless, but there are people here who have overcome what you face - and God is standing by you as is all the Church.

>>665198

I was in a very similar position in my life a while back, and I would offer this advice:

The biggest reason I could not (in my mind) overcome my sin is because I often never truly addressed it. I would say "God, forgive me for my lust" but I would never go into detail. You say that you "can't get [yourself] to admit any of this" to your Christian brothers and sisters; I would be willing to bet you've never truly and honestly admitted to it to Christ, instead relying on platitudes and euphemisms - things that stop you from realizing how broken and in need of a Savior you really are. It was only after I said "God, forgive me for my homosexual desires, my crossdressing habits, my disgusting masturbation addiction, my degenerate pornography usage" that I found freedom from these things. I had taken a short cut to addressing my sins, and that simply will not set you free. Confess and confess to everything. Burn the old self. I'd also, like many anons here, recommend nofap (which got significantly easier for me once I acknowledged my addiction directly to the Lord), working out, and prayer daily. The Lord smiles on you, anon, if you just take the step and follow Him.

>>665533

>Please tell me this is just some weird trolling… Like, I know I'm some homo degenerate, but, anon…

When I read that this was your response it made me angry and I felt like posting how dare you come here all contrite and concerned looking for help with your sin and yet you either mock or shame someone going through in principle the exact same thing as you. That you sincerely offered the anon prayers calmed me down somewhat and at the same time took me by surprise as I was not expecting it given your comments up to this point.

But your comments (the ambiguous 'is this guy serious?' and the fact you state you borderline have no sympathy >>715896, the poohing irony, as well as the 'seek help before you hurt a child') made me angry because it is the typical response people who struggle with this expect and as a result can NEVER feel like we can talk about it and are constantly having to keep everything secret in shadows, alone, where the shackles of sin and shame weigh ever heavier. Count yourself lucky that you've got a winnie the poohing trap homo fetish where you can openly seek support for it without fearing immense repercussions.

Honestly, am I literally the only anon on this board came from /hebe/ and /loli/? I can't be surely? I am not proud of this, obviously, but you must understand the principle is precisely the same as all the trap/homo/whatever posters who's brains have been twisted by exposure and consumption of copious amounts of pornography. Same old story, you know the one, back in the day too much porn meant tolerance to vanilla and looking for new more risque porn, inc. questionable looking teen porn (the kind of which now is mainstream anyway tbh smh) which lead to jailbait etc. get a buzz from the taboo and down the hole I went. I think I can pontificate why I went down this route rather than the homo route (although I've started to go down that way a little recently too because I'm exhausting everything else fml) but it'd be irrelevant. What is relevant is that all these desires and perversions are driven by the exact same mechanisms as your trap/homo desires and perversions. This is undeniably the case for what I am confident is the overwhelming majority of anons struggling with this (I say overwhelming majority because I'm sure there are others around who's such perversions have manifested as a result of different drivers and mechanisms).

I repeat I am not proud of this!! But know it is exactly the same process by which you found yourself going down your own hole of perversion!! That's why I say 'the irony' in response to you feeling no sympathy! It is bizarre to me and unfathomable that you cannot see this. Yes there are differences across a myriad of factors where the two things (perversions) cannot be equated, I am not saying otherwise. But from the personal perspective of the anons struggling with these problems, they are exactly the same. Another thing that frustrated me was that you automatically assumed he was on a path to hurting a child. It may be the case that you've sought to act out homo desires irl but that does not mean all of us will try or even get to a point of wanting to act out on ours, and 'jacked off to a pic of a kid' =/= 'child molester/rapist in the making'. It's the conflation of people struggling with this level/avenue of pornography use with child molesters/rapist/etc. which is partially responsible for preventing us anons from ever feeling like we're able to be open and communicative about our problems in the first place!! Openness and communicativeness which breaks the shackles of shame and power of sin over us!! I get you might find the thought of our perversions instinctually worthy of revulsion, disgust and condemnation, and for that I don't blame you and know it is justified. However, such an explicit shaming and rejection of anons struggling with this only empowers the shame and silence of the sin with greater weight - indeed - your response here >>715896 implies it was the anon's confession of what he's been struggling with that you took issue with rather than the struggle it itself!

It's for this reason that I felt I had to speak up about this - not just for you specifically but for all you anons who might instinctually say those of us struggling with this need to be thrown into the sea with a millstone round our necks. To that I say fair, maybe the death penalty for us having jacked off to a pic of a kid will become the law of the land sometime in the future, in that case fine so be it - but until then I implore you to consider carefully how you respond to such anons as it could be that particular rhetoric will be a hinderance rather than a help to your brothers, who I would beg you to still view us as, as sick and ill as we are. Please consider this particularly if you're struggling with your own sexual sin/perversions, (beam, eye, etc.). I truly do appreciate they are not entirely the same between them all in some regards and some are obviously much worse than others for a variety of reasons, as already acknowledged, but simply from the personal perspective of individual anons struggling to maintain control of porn use and/or illicit material for disordered stimulation, there simply is no difference and sympathy and support, given the fact that we're going through the exact same thing as established above, is what is desperately needed. I'm not asking for a /pedosupport/ cyclical or anything ridiculous, just mere consideration as to how you respond to anons who might be struggling with their own sexual sins which are different to yours. I get that we've done it to ourselves and we have to take responsibility, but sorry sometimes it just feels winnie the poohng lonely when everyone has their own opportunities for support networks etc. for their problems but with this particular one it feels like we have to lurk in the shadows.

And finally, please note, ultimately I know in the bottom of my heart that it doesn't matter what any of you do or say or think of me, or vice versa, and it is all, at the end of the day, irrelevant, and rather it only matters what one person thinks.

Anyway, sorry for rant I do wonder what the response to this will be

>>695044

>This is a great temptation, not just in the fact that you have urges of lust but the fact that you are not trusting in Gods mercy. If you go to confession and your sins are wiped away you are worthy to take the Eucharist and die a holy death. DO NOT think that you are worthless. There comes a time where it's appropriate to say to yourself "I am a sinner" then there is also a time to say to yourself "God loves me."

Thanks for posting this.

>>715896

>but honestly I don't think I'd go to rehab for this.

12 step groups are places where men can openly share and emotionally and spiritually (often physically, at the end of a meeting, too) embrace each other in these struggles without fear of shame and rejection and judgement (I say if you're not pedo I guess, I've not been where someone's owned up to such but they forewarn in the groups they will be required to contact the authorities if they think anyone is a danger to anyone else - how they determine that is not clear hence I guess why people keep it locked up) - still I digress, not rehab but worth considering as a form of support. There are guys who go through what you've been through too. Often are Christian specific ones or more general ones (which still hinge on acknowledging a 'higher power').

>because even though in a way I do want to change, I also still have temptations and so it doesn't feel completely genuine when I'm asking God to let Him change me. The fact that I'm still tempted seems like I still don't want to change in a way. It's overall confusing and I just don't want to seem like I'm lying straight to God's face. It'd be like making a mockery out of prayer to do so.

Them feels be all too reals

>I'm going to stick to looking through my collection of pics of qts in order to help strengthen my heterosexuality. I know it's lustful and I'll get rid of it eventually, but for now, it serves as a means to an end.

I know beam, eye, etc. but I cannot help but comment - you need to cease this. The end does not justify the means - this is not a Christian way of operating.

>>685518

>cold showers

>>695519

>cold showers, really really helped.

I turn the shower cold for 30secs to a min at the end of my normal warm shower to cool off and refresh anyway - is this pointless or do you still get the benefits?

>>747081

>So therefore, starve yourself from the sin of Onan

What has OP not impregnating his dead brother's wife got to do with any of this?

>>752552

>just mere consideration as to how you respond to anons who might be struggling with their own sexual sins which are different to yours

should be phrased 'different on the surface but the same at their core'

Yes, you can pray the gay away. In fact, you don't even need to be gay to be not gay. Embed related was abused since he was 4 into thinking he could be tranny. It took him years of anguish and an expensive surgery to realize he was lied to.

Never give up hope, SSA struggling Christanons.

>>759661

Be careful anon, you may flatline after a few weeks but urges can hit like a truck sometimes seemingly at random regardless of how far you're in, always have a plan in that case.