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>>663911

Wine is fermented grape juice, so it is only a technicality.

>>663911

Prohibition would never have happened of we hadn't given women the vote.

>>663923

>it is only a technicality

A cross is only carved wood, so Christ was hanged from a tree?

Bread is only flour and water, so He said "Give us our daily flour"?

A car is only metals with some polymers, so we're just driving iron?

>>663922

anon don't spam christ-chan

can't have kids thinking the water into wine part is a prefigurement of the Eucharist, way too apostolic!

>>663983

A stake really, not that I think it wasn't in a common cross shape as it is according to the earliest traditions, but the word is what it is.

>>663923

>>664129

>Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: (gal 3:13)

>>663983

>A cross is only carved wood, so Christ was hanged from a tree?

Yes.

Acts 5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.

>>664129

Only JW believe this. It was a cross. All the 1st century depictions show a cross.

>>664178

>>664129

Well fair point, but there's a huge difference between calling wine and juice.

This is clearly just rewriting the bible to make abstinence biblically defensible.

>>664232

No the word itself means stake whether it was a cross shape or not isn't implied by the word alone.

There were probably multiple types of "crucifixions" of different shapes. I do believe that the shape implied by tradition and writings is that of a T.

>>664294

Cartoons are only demons in islam.

>>664299

>>664294

*demonic

>>663911

IF Baptists and their traditions, sheesh.

>>664294

Aversion to normalcy implicates a sin of pride.

>>664129

>A stake really

Begone, arian heretic

>>664299

>>664299

Only in one small faction of Islam. The Salafi group believe all pictures of anything to be demonic. Claiming the Salafi are all of Islam is like claiming southern Pentecostal snake handlers are all of Christendom.

>>664717

>only in one small group

No. It's right there in hadith, and anyone can choose to follow sunnah, not only "Salafi" you fearmonger quack.

>>664731

It's also in Hadith that Muhammad allowed a horse statue, so obviously not all images are Haram. The salafi claim ALL images are haram.

>>664737

Muhammad also made exceptions for himself, in terms of how many wives he could have. He made an exception for his child-wife because she was still at the age of playing with horse-dolls. Repent.

Would 1st century middle-eastern people even know what grape juice is? I imagine that the grapes would start fermenting very quickly in that climate, already having turned into wine by the time you have barrelled the fluid up. I remember I had some grapes in a plastic bag in my cellar and it started smelling like wine after just a few days.

>>664279

> I do believe that the shape implied by tradition and writings is that of a T.

You would need something to attach the plate with the writing on, so there would be a vertical extension beyond the horizontal bar.

>>664712

This is extremely stupid, Photos are not craved nor drawn images, God explicitly told he hated humans reproducing stuff themselves this is done by a machine, capturing things as they are, they don't steal your soul or anything as opposed from a cartoon that was inspired by a rouge demon.

winnie the pooh Inbreed sandmonkeys.

>>664717

This is what happens when you ignore demons, In Islam god appears tho be the bad guy because he just forbids and punishes, when in reality is just demons trolling.

>>664658

>being weird is a sin

Why am i not surprised?

>>664803

Not at all. Sobriety, not abstinence is virtue. If abstinence was greater or requiered then Christ would not drink wine.

sobriety takes its name from "measure," for a man is said to be sober because he observes the "bria," i.e. the measure. Wherefore sobriety lays a special claim to that matter wherein the observance of the measure is most deserving of praise. Such matter is the drinking of intoxicants, because the measured use thereof is most profitable, while immoderate excess therein is most harmful, since it hinders the use of reason even more than excessive eating. Hence it is written (Sirach 31:37-38): "Sober drinking is health to soul and body; wine drunken with excess raiseth quarrels, and wrath and many ruins." For this reason sobriety is especially concerned with drink, not any kind of drink, but that which by reason of its volatility is liable to disturb the brain, such as wine and all intoxicants.

It is written (Sirach 31:32): "Wine taken with sobriety is equal life to men; if thou drink it moderately, thou shalt be sober."