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>>663854

sorry for the lack of (You)'s, probably feels bad.

no worries anon, just lurk more and feel free to ask your questions in the appropriate threads.

All the best regards in your walk of faith anon.

>>663854

>It is false no matter who has the audacity to say it; so why be sad about it?

Because they're human with human inclinations.

>Epicurus wasn't [sad].

Because unlike most atheists, he can grow a sporting beard.

Why are atheists depressed? Anomie leads to depression. Nihilism leads to anomie. Atheism leads to nihilism.

You'll have to elaborate on the "warmness of heart." To Christians, the "heart" is the deepest part of a person, even more central than the intellect or will; emotions don't play a part there.

Tbh the rest is a little confusing so I'm not sure what you're asking =/

>>663854

Christians are depressed, too, due to actions of past Christians fighting against other Christians to inadvertently make the world less Christian.

>>663909

That pic is how I imagine Metokur desperately trying to sound like he doesn't care about anything.

>>663879

Well, I get a really energetic feeling when I resolve to do good works, even the smallest things, but recently I experienced my faith wavering terribly because I spent too much time relaxing, or at least I think that was the cause, but everything was back to this new normal the second I did a small thing for my brother.

You see, my main concern in posting the OP was to see if I've got on the right track. Part of my issue is that I had a lot of the anomie you're talking about, so I distrust whether I've really attained respite, and how to keep myself in this elevated state of emotions which I find is the byproduct of my new beliefs.

>>663909

Yes it is, I want to hear more about things which you feel are correlated to the byproduct

>>663875

Also thank you for posting, although I just went to sleep after making the thread. I had a feeling I'd be waiting

>>663954

>Yes it is, I want to hear more about things which you feel are correlated to the byproduct

Righteousness, i.e. following God's commandments.

>>663954

>Well, I get a really energetic feeling when I resolve to do good works, even the smallest things, but recently I experienced my faith wavering terribly because I spent too much time relaxing, or at least I think that was the cause, but everything was back to this new normal the second I did a small thing for my brother.

…oh, wow. Does it feel like a fire that's going to burn forever and enflame the whole world in love?

>>664003

It sounds silly when you put it like that, I'm not sure you're not having a laugh at me. It's exactly like the feeling that you're going to grin, but less strong, just enough to tilt the corners of your lip up, it's just profound optimism in spite of everything.

>>664067

I'm not laughing even a little.

What you have sounds genuine though. You can retain it by abstaining from sin, persisting in love and good works, and frequent active meditation on every good thing.

If you meet the fire, please say hi to Him for me.

>>664073

What fire?

>>663924

such is life as a mid-life crisis "cool d00d"

I post this on every thread but I think this also comes down to nominalism vs realism or reason vs logic.

The sane man is not irrational, he is ilogical. Atheists are rational but not logical.

I remember when I was an atheist. It is a weird sensation of disconnect to reality itself. Because since there is no Good or Bad, only opinions, "what is there" and "what am I" are absolutely impossible questions to answer.

Nominalism will never answer the question "what am I". None of the three concepts exist to them. They truly are insane.

Read The Brothers Karamazov, it puts the Nihilist contradiction better than I could ever dream to do here.

>>663854

I'm Christian and I'm still sad. What did I do wrong?

>>664151

Well, I can't begin to answer that question, but Charity really helps my mood. Of course I have no money to give, but I try to go the extra mile with everyone. (Matthew 5:41)

>>664150

Something I realize now as a Christian that I didn't realize as a deist, was that the opposite of faith really is certainty, but this is due to a blind spot in the human person. We thing we are rational and logical, but we use reason and logic in accordance with what our emotions dictate. So it follows naturally that without faith we don't reason very well, and are just blown around by our particular emotions.

>>664087

If you are able, take a good long walk(or run/jog if that is your thing). Take that time to really think about what is going on and what is really at stake. I had a bit of a mini-crisis myself and exercise can really do some good. Keep your mind and heart open to God, even if you like you are beyond help you still have that choice to change.

>>663854

Because they're addicted to materialism and cheap dopamine hits. Whether it's looking for better/more frequent orgasms, harvesting instagram likes, buying the newest tech gadget or video game, traveling to an exotic location, trying the newest "hole in the wall" restaurant.

It's all a lie. All of it. This stuff won't make you happy. Ancient civilizations knew this. Christians know this. You even see this is things like Pinocchio's Pleasure Island, where pursuing nothing but hedonism eventually turns you into an animal. Humans need a life with purpose or they'll suffer a hell on earth.

>>669102

Stop watching cartoons and start doing some manual work for a few years without using the internet.

>>669116

Exactly. Atheists are humans who have regressed to living like animals. They don't seek higher truth, they want to indulge in worldly pleasure for the sake of worldly pleasure. They are ruled by their instincts like dogs and lack the intellect or strength of will to place their body in submission to their mind.

>>663854

>haha atheists are depressed

>let's laugh at them

Thanks, Christians. Real nice of you to prove why we're right.

>>679493

Keep it up. Only proving us more right.

>>679497

>haha Christians are so dumb!

>what? they're making fun of us? those assholes!

>>663854

As Nietzsche put it (in the words of a madman):

"Whither is God?" he cried; "I will tell you. We have killed him – you and I. All of us are his murderers. But how did we do this? How could we drink up the sea? Who gave us the sponge to wipe away the entire horizon? What were we doing when we unchained this earth from its sun? Whither is it moving now? Whither are we moving? Away from all suns? Are we not plunging continually? Backward, sideward, forward, in all directions? Is there still any up or down? Are we not straying, as through an infinite nothing? Do we not feel the breath of empty space? Has it not become colder? Is not night continually closing in on us? Do we not need to light lanterns in the morning? …."

Absent God, the world carries no meaning or purpose. It is a cosmic accident that birthed a species of clever animals, not towards any end, but simply as a by-product of biological sorting. Literally nothing done by these clever animals carries any cosmic significance, because like all life forms that preceded them, they too shall eventually pass out of existence, to be replaced by newer, better-adapted animals. The Earth itself will certainly die when the sun ceases to shine. Nothing done on here matters beyond that. There is neither good or evil, only states of mind, feelings of these creatures imposed upon a morally neutral universe. Nothing carries intrinsic value. Actions have no real consequences beyond the physical. Saints and Sinners are annihilated alike. There is no justice, only powerful and powerless, a constant struggle for dominance by people cursed to live on a world of finite resources while plagued by infinite desire. Insofar as anyone wins, it is the powerful, men like Genghis Khan or Tamerlane who carve a bloody swathe through history, yet even their deeds will be forgotten, and their significance erased.

Anyone who is intellectually honest with themselves sees this as the end result of Atheism. Most try to forget it with hedonism, simply because the existential abyss underneath is so horrific. Who offers solutions here? Schopenhauer re-purposes Buddhism. Nietzsche calls man to construct values. Sartre says man must only keep himself from going insane. I don't hate atheists. I cannot. I pity them. They're sitting on a psychological time bomb that will break through once the hedonism ends. It's a truly sad condition.

>>679507

>>679508

Lovely moral superiority you have there. All we want is God to be real and for the practitioners of an allegedly compassionate god to live up to their preaching. Instead we get snarky underhanded bullshit.

>>679511

>The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

>For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

>Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

>>679546

In some ways yes, it is inexplicable why they consciously deny the truth. Perhaps as CS Lewis said, it is the result of what he called "the dictatorship of pride." That it would be better, in the view of the atheist, for the world to have no redeeming features because he has reasoned prima facie that it has none. Love itself becomes an inconsiderable speck in the vast cosmic blackness. At least that is one sort of atheist, the other sort is Napoleon Bonaparte, an affable opportunist for whom God's absence or noncommittal relationship to the world is a cause for rejoicing at all the splendid opportunities that can exist in that moral grey area that contains petty vices that people find excusable if done in one certain way perceived as honorable or even customary and not another.

>>679565

Is there any proof that Yuri Bezmenov wasn't working with the CIA?

>>679566

Substantial proof, given that he actually worked for the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation before Trudeau I sent him into exile by royal decree because Pierre Trudeau, just like his idiot son Trudeau II was a dirty commie.

Well I originally became an atheist when I was 6 because apparently my grandfather was one so I wanted to be like him. I remember getting pissed off that the teacher was talking about God in class kek. Stayed like that until I was 12 maybe? They had Bible studies in grade 7 and it got me interested again, but it was a short phase and I lost interest again, probably because we ran out of pictures of Jesus to colour in. Then I became a militant atheist in High school, of course I got thr term from Dawkins. Completely lost faith due to the realisation in history studies that other cultures had Gods, so therefore Our Father is not real. Yeah I know its dumb, but that's what I thought. Thought I was a genius for being an atheist, and that everybody was unenlightened fools. I wanted to fire bomb churchs (lol) and be a soldier of Richard darwkins. I would quote him and tease the christian girls in science class. This phase lasted from the ages of 14 to 16. My seed has found good ground and I'm set now thankfully.

>>669102

I dare you to watch this one fully, anon.

>>679511

>All we want is to continue to mock and ridicule you like we've being doing for years without receiving any backlash or criticism

OP's post wasn't even that mean to begin with, people didn't start bullying you until you claimed that

>>679546

I love horror and being a Christian myself I inspire myself with Lovecraft a lot when writing stuff. I think it's a great way to turn people back to Christianity actually, showing the horrors of world without God.

>>679511

One last thing, that is how God revealed himself to me, it could be different for you because He knows you might need something different.

>Romans 9:18 What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Absolutely not! 15For He (God) says to Moses:

>“I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,

>and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”e

>16 So then, it does not depend on man’s desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display My power in you, and that My name might be proclaimed in all the earth.”f 18Therefore God has mercy on whom He wants to have mercy, and He hardens whom He wants to harden.