b78938 No.663022
What does /christian/ think of children being separated from their parents at the U.S.-Mexican border? Is this in line with Christianity? Can we support this or is Trump evil?
4cc848 No.663024
I think you should get sent back across the border for triple posting.
8c5749 No.663026
649ad6 No.663028
I always thought Trump was a bad president, but in a low tier way and not in an Andrew Jackson heaping God's wrath upon the nation tier sort of way. Now I realize he's the latter. America now has the suicide of a separated child on it's hands. Mary is weeping.
bc8038 No.663029
>>663022
>or is Trump evil?
This isn't trumps doing, the reason they HAVE to be separated is a ruling from the ninth circuit court, also this started under obama so this is mere convienient outrage for the satanic media
649ad6 No.663032
>>663029
Do you have any source on that? I'm hunting myself, but if you have it yourself I'd appreciate it.
b00c82 No.663033
>>663022
Maybe these people shouldn't break our laws and come here illegally. I agree, breaking up a family is tragic so send the whole family back for the children
4cc848 No.663034
>>663032
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reno_v._Flores
Claim
A certified class of alien juveniles protested their arrest and detention. The complaint raised claims challenging:
(1) the region's juvenile-release policy on constitutional, statutory, and international law grounds; and
(2) the conditions of juveniles' detention.
Opinion of the Court
On certiorari, the United States Supreme Court reversed the judgment of the Court of Appeals and remanded the case for further proceedings. In an opinion by Scalia, J., joined by Rehnquist, Ch. J., and White, O'Connor, Kennedy, Souter, and Thomas, JJ., it was held that 242.24, on its face,:
(1) did not violate substantive due process, under the Fifth Amendment, through asserted infringement of an allegedly "fundamental" liberty interest, that is, an alleged right of a child who had no available parent, close relative, or legal guardian, and for whom the government was responsible, to be placed in the custody of a willing and able private custodian rather than the custody of a government-operated or government-selected child care institution,
(2) did not violate any "equal protection guarantee" in the Fifth Amendment, through
(3) did not violate procedural due process, under the Fifth Amendment,
(4) did not go beyond the scope of the Attorney General's discretion under 1252(a)(1) to continue custody over arrested aliens, because 242.24 rationally pursued the lawful purpose of protecting the welfare of such juveniles.
[1993]
035b5b No.663036
>>663022
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649ad6 No.663039
>>663034
Figures the SC is responsible, just like their responsible for the murder of 60,000,000 and counting. Still, apparently as an administrative decision separation of families has ramped up signifigantly under Trump; those detained under Obama were largely solo immigrants, which is another administrative fumble entirely. Trump is blaming democratic security laws for this when this is entirely the fault of ICE and easily preventable, it reeks to high heaven.
4cc848 No.663040
>>663039
So outside of an open borders policy, which would make the overall situation worse, what would be your solution?
649ad6 No.663041
>>663040
Full deportation, kids included, as another anon said. Any policy within reason would be preferable to this satanic bile.
bc6539 No.663042
>>663036
/leftypol/ never changes
bc8038 No.663043
4cc848 No.663044
>>663041
That would be preferable, and I think the administration would prefer it. However:
Congress does not want it, since it means votes or slave labour depending on the situation.
Media does not want that (if it bleeds it leads/Dem wedge issue).
Business does not want that (slaves).
Modernist clerical officials do not want it (headcount).
And through that you will find others for their own reasons, and the general populous.
So you have this situation. It's really quite unavoidable when you have such worldliness.
bc8038 No.663047
>>663044
put rather eloquently
649ad6 No.663054
>>663044
>>663043
The increase in separations stems from a zero tolerance policy enacted by the administration last month; the law permits this practice but it does not mandate and the policy of the DHS is not fixed. This is an executive matter, not a legislative one, and should be addressed by the current administration as opposed to being blamed on current legislators.
4cc848 No.663082
>>663054
Well, you can't throw them out right now (for reasons I brought up), and you can't at least get rid of the parents, so what else is save for letting them all into the country unconditionally? You cannot think that will be an improvement for anyone, particularly as have said you wish full deportation instead, you know the consequences. This is already difficult enough since they are considered US citizens and that cannot be stripped of that as of right now. Unless you want to create a class of stateless people…but then if you do it's less a question of morals, and more a question of optics.
649ad6 No.663090
>>663082
You didn't really bring up reasons they can't be deported, just reasons they won't be deported, but yeah I get what you mean. The true, constructive solution to this problem is for native citizens to suck it up and work the jobs that only fresh immigrants, undocumented laborers, actual slaves in the prison system, and teenagers are willing to work. Immigration reform is necessary but it's also a patch job for a terminally ill labor system, and the immigration is such and issue because our lavish standard of living necessitates an exploitable underclass, slaves, as you put it, that we've become unable to regulate. I really don't want full deportation because I really don't want anyone to live in the wasteland that is Mexico, but at the end of the day the U.S. is paying for it's sins.
9b8ab1 No.663091
>>663022
>What does /christian/ think of children being separated from their parents on judgement day? Is this in line with Christianity? Can we support this or is God evil?
649ad6 No.663094
>>663091
>Even daring to compare the justice of the Department of Homeland Security with the justice of God.
4cc848 No.663097
>>663090
>The true, constructive solution to this problem is for native citizens to suck it up and work the jobs that only fresh immigrants, undocumented laborers, actual slaves in the prison system, and teenagers are willing to work
But those jobs are priced out of the market and frequently not even offered to citizens since they are citizens, which affords them some protections. There are millions out there willing to work with only a high school education who would be perfect, and have been rejected from other occupations due to insane college preferentialism. The whole situation is rank lawlessness and insanity, but do not blame the victims please.
>Immigration reform is necessary but it's also a patch job for a terminally ill labor syste
Wait, what do you define as "immigration reform"? That's become a loaded word as of late.
>our lavish standard of living necessitates an exploitable underclass, slaves, as you put it, that we've become unable to regulate
It does not necessitate it, it hardly existed not even all that long ago
>I really don't want full deportation because I really don't want anyone to live in the wasteland that is Mexico
Some of them aren't from Mexico to be fair, that is very page skimming to think so. That said, many of these countries themselves are as spiritually dysfunctional as the northern section of the continent, but in a different way. Pagan idolatry, the popularity of liberation theology when it's been discredited time and again. No wonder South and Central America is chaos, and nothing is done to correct it.
>but at the end of the day the U.S. is paying for it's sins
There are at least attempts being made to correct some of them now. Better late than never, although more could be done. Maybe Canada could take the kids and then they wouldn't be stateless, and their useless PM could preen with them in a saffron bathrobe like he usually does.
fca85d No.663100
>>663022
>Government does something ultra-leftist
>"Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's"
>Government does something to uphold law and order
>"So un-Christian, muh love XYZ"
If that is your reaction maybe you should ponder whether or not you're brainwashed. There was a time once when the Church endorsed genocide, it was the time of the greatest faith.
6cc46d No.663103
>>663022
Criminals are separated from their family in general.
49fee0 No.663150
>>663022
It's in line with Christianity as illegal criminals are subjected to the same standards as US criminals.
a62515 No.663172
It's kikes slapping the family sticker over an issue to make their controlled opposition agree with it. The kikes are too smart for the average media consumer, the average consumer just thinks
>well I like my family, so this is bad!
and doesn't even know he's being programmed.
It's both interesting and dreadful to see these things play out. I am not in the anglosphere, so usually these issues take 3 days or so to hit here, I've just overheard about this on the radio this morning. "Journalists" worldwide just translate whatever is on the us media webpages.
bc8038 No.663215
>>663097
>rejected from other occupations due to insane college preferentialism
hands down one of the biggest problems today
53ffff No.663228
It's unfortunate that these families are being separated but they should have thought about that before breaking the law.
>>663100
>There was a time once when the Church endorsed genocide
Excuse me?
b00c82 No.663229
>>663228
>Catholic Church was implicated in the Rwanda genocide, which Pope Franny asked forgiveness for
> the Catholic Church endorsed Hitler and the Holocaust
>BASED Charlemagne executed over 4000 Saxons because they refused forced conversion
>Pope Franny's endorsement of the mass migration and displacement of whites in Europe
Just to name a few
3f434f No.663232
>>663022
I think America is possibly too kind in the way she handles foreign invaders.
Reported for concern trolling /leftypol/ duplicate bait thread.
370d6d No.663246
>>663228
>>There was a time once when the Church endorsed genocide
>Excuse me?
Pope Urban II commanded the genocide of muslims in the first crusade.
>On this account I, or rather the Lord, beseech you as Christ's heralds to publish this everywhere and to persuade all people of whatever rank, foot-soldiers and knights, poor and rich, to carry aid promptly to those Christians and to destroy that vile race from the lands of our friends. I say this to those who are present, it meant also for those who are absent. Moreover, Christ commands it.
>Pope Urban II
And the Church tacitly approved of the genocide of natives during colonization becuase they were savages and non-Christian.
Then the Church became lily-livered and it all went to ruin.
53ffff No.663255
>>663246
>I tell you love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you
>Do not return evil for evil, or insult for insult, but rather blessing
>Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God
<hey let's kill all these people because they're heathens, God'll sort 'em out
In principle the Crusades were justified, not saying they were totally evil. However, you'd have to have some kind of cognitive dissonance to think genocide is sanctioned in Christianity.
>>663229
Good thing I'm not Catholic then.
2ce47e No.663256
>>663028
>an illegal immigrant commits a grievous sin
>this is America's fault
9bf6ad No.663257
>>663094
>deep fried boi memes
>implying separating parents from their children is inherently evil
370d6d No.663260
>>663255
>However, you'd have to have some kind of cognitive dissonance to think genocide is sanctioned in Christianity.
Then I'm not the only one.
2ce47e No.663261
>>663260
>God in His providence punishing Israel for its apostasy
>genocide
53ffff No.663262
>>663260
>Saint John Chrysostom talks about how the unrepentant Jews will be judged at the Final Judgment by Christ, since the passage of scripture he cites is a parable about the Final Judgment
>the larger context of Adversus Judaeos is against those Christians who try to Judaize and to demonstrate how the Jews have rebelled against God, and that they will be dealt with by God in the Final Judgment
<this totally justifies my support of genocide
Truly, cognitive dissonance.
Next time you want to quote from Adversus Judaeos, provide the larger context next time.
370d6d No.663307
>>663261
>>663262
Unfortunately, I am not impressed. You will need quite a bit more mental gymnastics if you want to make an engaging argument in order to circumvent the simple phrase "Jews are fit for slaughter".
9ed983 No.663326
>>663022
Laws must be enforced. You don't destroy the future of your land and your people because you feel sad about a poor kid.
Emotional appeal is just leftist manipulation.
5e7372 No.663350
>>663246
>And the Church tacitly approved of the genocide of natives during colonization becuase they were savages and non-Christian
tigga, the only people that stood up for the natives and defended their human dignity were bishops.
And the dissolution of the jesuits was started by the colonial authorities getting pissed off the Church was protecting the natives in their reductions.
Get out of here with your /pol/ fantasies.
5e7372 No.663351
>>663229
>Catholic Church was implicated in the Rwanda genocide, which Pope Franny asked forgiveness for
There were lots of catholics on both sides(which came up in a vision of Mary weeping for that)
> the Catholic Church endorsed Hitler and the Holocaust
No
>BASED Charlemagne executed over 4000 Saxons because they refused forced conversion
The Saxon massacre was a scandal for his reign(think Benghazi type miscalculation and accusation) until the end of his days.
2ce47e No.663362
>>663307
No one cares how you feel about them when you can't even be bother to screencap Chrysostom's work itself instead of someone else quoting or paraphrasing him.
5417b0 No.663363
It's not even on my mind because I don't watch fake news.
17a483 No.663366
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAGr-wxTJMo&feature=youtu.be
No one here is real Christians, those who follow the teachings of compassion of Jesus Christ.
69bd47 No.663368
>>663022
They should be sent back with their parents, the consequences of diversity are not to be taken lightly.
33ac99 No.663369
>>663229
>the Catholic Church endorsed Hitler and the Holocaust
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mit_brennender_Sorge
liar
>BASED Charlemagne executed over 4000 Saxons because they refused forced conversion
the Saxons were raiders back then, your argument is literally "saxons dindu nuffin, they just on dey wey 2 odin tree"
>Pope Franny's endorsement of the mass migration and displacement of whites in Europe
nobody told Francis the former is NWO exercise, I'm not sure what you're whining about with the latter part, though it's obvious lies are not beyond you
9331d8 No.663382
>>663256
>Separate child form their parents
>What happens to child is not your fault
e9f29f No.663383
>>663022
Checked
Ahhhhhhhhh feels good tbh
9331d8 No.663384
>>663028
>an Andrew Jackson heaping God's wrath upon the nation tier sort of way.
Wait a minute, redpill me. What did Andrew Jackson do? He's the only president to have ever ended the debt and punished the private bank.
2c2473 No.663385
>>663369
>they dindu nuffin
I never said they didn't. What im saying is that forced conversion never works. It didn’t work in Ancient Israel, it didn't work for the West.
>muh wikipedia link
So I guess the Concordant between Hitler and Pope Pius XI was just one of the Catholic Churches many pranks.
>doesn't understand that illegal and mass migration is a problem
I could try to explain to why demographics and biology matter, but since you are willing to go as far as deny reality I wont waste your time as you will ignore me anyway.
By all means stay in Babylon, modernist, your corrupt institution's time will come.
e9f29f No.663386
>>663384
What didn't he do? AJ is and always will be hard core
Chuck Dickinson got shot for accusing him of cheating on a horse race. Talk shit get shot hahahahaha
9331d8 No.663387
>>663386
>What did he do
>What didn't he do
Well, at least you didn't go for maximum constructiveness by not including that last bit, but still.
9331d8 No.663391
>>663326
Here's a idea for you.
The kid gets kicked back along with the family.
e9f29f No.663393
>>663391
Deport them via trebuchet
Bonus points for funny landings
e9f29f No.663396
>>663395
Andrew Jackson was certifiably awesome
Bean burritos need deported back to mex ick co via beaner trebuchets
952733 No.663401
>>663022
Whether Blumpf is evil or not doesn't have much to do with his border decision imo.
952733 No.663402
>>663366
powerful
how many former homeless men do you have living in your home mr. more-righteous-than-thou?
e9f29f No.663404
>>663402
Hahahahahaha
Nice
3f434f No.663405
>>663402
The left is infamous for hypocrisy,
ebd866 No.663419
>>663022
A mortal wound on the national soul, bleeding profusely. Intolerable.
ebd866 No.663421
49fee0 No.663486
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>663366
>Spanish kids saying "mommy and daddy", not "mama and papa"
That's a half-assed script that gullible gringos like you fall for.
90294b No.663505
>>663022
Should we put thief's children in prison with him? Is this in line with Christianity? Can we support this or is Trump evil?
What does /christian/ think of children being separated from their thieving parents that go to prison? Is this in line with Christianity? Can we support this or is the justice system evil?
e149d2 No.663515
When are the mods gonna shoah these threads? We have a politics sticky for a reason.
53ffff No.663596
>>663307
A fattened calf may be fit for the slaughter, but no one except the man who owns that calf may kill it.
Do you not read in the scriptures where Christ tells the parable of the weeds among the wheat? Does the master not instruct the tenants to let the weeds grow alongside the wheat, lest by pulling up the weed you uproot the wheat also?
Is it not on the Harvest day, that day of Judgment, when the wheat and weeds shall be collected to the barn and fire, respectively?
Tell me, brother, have you been set aside by God to deliver His judgment before due time?
What revelation have you received that you may pull up the weeds among us?
Are we all not made in the image of God? Then by all accounts we are God's.
The Lord is the herdsman who has all full rights to slaughter the disobedient in His flock; His tenants have no such authority.
Do you not read in the Scriptures how the Apostles dealt with the perfidious Jews? They were beaten, mocked, and tortured by those Jews, yet what did they do?
They shook the dust off their feet, gave thanks to God for being able to suffer for the Name, then went on their way.
8ac393 No.663728
>criminals are being separated from their children
doesn't that regularly happen? isn't every criminal in prison prevented from raising their children? so the only difference is the government has started treating what was always illegal as if they believed it really was a crime. if you don't want to be separated from your kids, don't commit crimes. you are responsible for being separated from your kids if you commit a crime and get detained for it.
>but undocumented immigration is a victimless crime! they just want a better life!
i see violating the laws governing our borders that our elected representatives have put into place as being morally similar to illegally entering private property. a nation's lawful citizens are like the stakeholders of the nation, you are violating all of them by sneaking in. thieves stealing loaves of bread may mean to feed their children too but it's still a crime.
4cc848 No.663738
>>663515
Ah, but it's hard to thump your chest in public about how you feel on an issue, rather than work through it honesty in a homogenized and generalized discussion for the truly conflicted!
731769 No.663739
>United States Conference of Catholic Bishops condemns Trump's policy.
>National Association of Evangelicals condemns Trump's policy.
>Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America condemns Trump's policy.
>(((Episcopal Church))) condemns the policy.
>United Methodist Church condemns the policy.
>African Methodist Episcopal Church condemns the policy.
>Southern Baptist Convention condemns the policy.
>(((Evangelical Lutheran Church in America))) condemns the policy.
>Billy Graham's son condemns the policy.
>The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints condemns the policy.
Are we in the wrong here?
2ce47e No.663745
>>663022
Bad decisions on the part of the parents will create sad outcomes for the children. The problem should be cut off at the pass and not let them into the nation at all.
8ac393 No.663746
>>663739
wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat
3163d8 No.663749
>>663746
Do you even realize the implications of this post
Are you insane
ace99f No.663760
>>663362
>can't even be bother to screencap Chrysostom's work itself
I did, here: >>663260
I just can't be bothered to argue semantics about what "fit for [nothing but] slaugther" actually means, to me it's simply a prompt to slaughter Jews and so I quoted some random author who sees it the same way.
ace99f No.663761
>>663739
>>Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America condemns Trump's policy.
Well, as St. Augustine said, there is always good and evil in the Church. Unfortunately in evil times there is a lot more evil than usual.
If one seeks Church guidance and authority he should look exclusively to the past, for the present is unreliable.
168108 No.663773
>>663022
European here, and bloody heck this shite makes me furious.
Everybody is eating it up like the media dishes it for them without even thinking for themselves.
I know I'm sounding edgy, but seriously I'm amazed people are not killing themselves due to excess stupidity at this point.
It's all so bloody clear, heck even the (((news reports))) show the clip with that republican spokeswoman explaining that a whole lot of kids get smuggled because those migrants think it'll get them easier passage and right after that they show an audio clip of a kid asking for her AUNT AND NOT HER PARENTS WHO'RE SUPPOSED TO BE ON THE OTHER SIDE IN ANOTHER CAGE.
Those parents bear the sin of their kids crying, because they knew bloody well that they'd be separated on the border and endangered their kids too.
I am seriously upset, I am upset in all my edginess that people can be this stupid and manipulable.
Sure I was like this too, when I was frickin' 15yo or something.
And you know what's the best part of this all?
These people vote.
My country is, like any democracy, ran by people who just like to repeat the (((media))) narrative of "Dhrumphfh is bad!" rather than analyze what they see in real life.
Thanks for reading my blog rage pls sub
8ac393 No.663790
>>663749
not sure what you mean. my quote just illustrates the point that 'majority says X' or even 'majority of churches say X' is meaningless in determining truth. and their way will lead to destruction, albeit national destruction rather than spiritual destruction as christ meant in that instance.
69bd47 No.663815
>>663773
Humanity has become very emotional it doesn't matter how much evidence you bring about the consequences of diversity and shit, they will still fall for the same tricks.
72ebf0 No.663839
>>663761
I read it and it was probably the most half-assed "condemnation" I've ever seen. It was more along the lines of "we don't believe in breaking up families uh yeah the situation is bad and stuff and were praying for everyone mkay".
07487f No.663846
>>663022
We can't support the seperation of parents and children as the family is a pinicle of the christian faith and the apex of God's divine nature reflected in nature.
However, trump gave his word and has worked to keep it. Even though (i bet as a father himself) he does not like doing this, he is bound by the deportation laws obama set in place to do it as he is doing it now, as unfortunate as it is.
07487f No.663847
>>663596
>we are God's
i was with you until you spoke that filthy heresy from your tongue.
07487f No.663848
>>663790
so then the trinity is a heresy and arius was right?
e2572e No.663861
>>663848
'the majority claiming X doesn't make it so' ≠ 'the majority is always wrong about everything'
cdd7c0 No.663866
Unfortunately, (((they're))) right this time: breaking up families is immoral.
Fortunately, this means an end to (((their))) worse than useless prison-for-profit system and a return to biblical beatings, exile, and executions as the standard judicial punishments! Let's have three cheers for the nationwide prison reform that is surely coming soon!
0565d3 No.663897
>>663773
Most people just appeal to emotions these days. Logic is not taught in schools any more.
Also, women tend to be way more emotional and this can skew policy decisions (e.g. photo of dead syrian baby!! -> bring all refugees to Europe!!)
acaa3e No.663899
>>663228
Ignore him, he's probably a freshly converted, possibly underage, LARPer.
bc6539 No.663914
cca83f No.664367
>>663728
This man right here
18b340 No.664371
>>663022
Leviticus 25:45
Their children are rightfully our slaves by God's holy word.
b10f97 No.664377
>>664371
Begone JIDF. Public law 102-14 is unconstitutional.
7ba9ff No.664990
>>663848
I don't want to bump this dead topic, but I'll respond quietly.
What the majority says is correct matters if what the majority says is correct. If in RCC for example, you had a situation where 75% of the bisphoric/priesthood and laity signed a document that plainly stated, "homosexuality is something the God and Jesus promoted and we will openly promote it too", then that 75% would be in rather dire error. There's no doubt about it. It is an extreme example of course, but it would be a concrete instance of the majority going down a path that anyone remotely faithful should wish to eschew. (Not to mention something like THAT occuring, would open up a lot of cans of worms that I don't even want to get into right now.) (Also not to pick on Rome by itself; this would hold true over every other line as well, it is a non-negotiable facet despite what some in officialdom say for the sake of popularity.)
This situation is less cut and dry, and further hampered by the fact that the moral authority of some of the signatories is…to put it mildly, very disordered. It does no good to listen to any body that - for example - is concerned about this situation (where there is no obvious intent to murder), when they silently let pass to or openly promote child murder of any ethnic stripe in abortion, where the intent to kill is the foremost priority.