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if you believe in sola fide then you shouldn't beat your self up about it, just try your best, if you fail, meh…you still have your ticket secured.

>>662003

and if you're wrong, you're committing mortal sin and permanently cutting yourself off from God

the best argument, is to abstain from this sexual impurity

>>662007

well I think sola fide is probably right, otherwise there'd be no point for Jesus to come if it's still up to use to save ourselves from our sins

>>662003

I believe in Sola Fide, but it's still disgusting behavior. It's like if you and your dad went out camping, and you were by a lake, there were signs everywhere that said, "Don't Swim - Alligators", but you jump in anyway and start getting attacked by alligators. Then your dad jumps in and fights them off, getting bit so many times, he manages to save you and pull you ashore, and then you're both laying there, your dad completely bloody torn apart, you look at him, thank him for saving you, and you jump right back in.

How can I ask for forgiveness for masturbation if I know I'll do it again in the future?

>>662003

dumb protposter

>>662009

But you just denied yourself earlier, you said you can still masturbate and "you still have your ticket secured".

>there'd be no point for Jesus to come

Jesus denied entrance to heaven for those sexually impure, do you deny this?

>>662007

This, even if you could be saved by virtue of your mere belief (and you cannot), why wouldn't you find yourself insulted at the idea you had some voucher to grieve God continuously? Why wouldn't you turn from sin just out of respect for God even if you were permitted to wantonly sin and not taste death (which you are not btw).

>>662039

>Jesus denied entrance to heaven for those sexually impure, do you deny this?

and he denied it for many other sins too, do you have to be 100% sin free from your last repentance to get into heaven?? or can flawed people also go?

>>662044

why do you want to risk anything to find out? Do not put God to the test.

>>662040

>(and you cannot)

faith is not something you take credit for, it's also a gift from God.

How sinless do you have to be to get into heaven according to your understanding? Perfect from the day you convert? Or perfectly sinfree from your last repentance?

>>662045

im asking about a person's opinion on salvation, not God, unless you think you're God.

>>662044

Only by the grace of God. Yet, you cannot enter Heaven and be sexually impure, lest you call Christ a liar.

By the grace of God, we repent of our sin and beg for strength to resist it; and endure, till the very end. Not get sent to Heaven DESPITE IT.

>>662051

>Only by the grace of God.

So the impure, sick and sinful can still go to heaven or only the perfect and sinfree? You aren't being clear

>By the grace of God, we repent of our sin and beg for strength to resist it; and endure, till the very end. Not get sent to Heaven DESPITE IT.

That's nice but that is still an impure person. Do you have to be perfect to get to heaven or no?

>>662054

>So the impure, sick and sinful can still go to heaven or only the perfect and sinfree? You aren't being clear

What do you mean "unclear"? Any good act is only by the grace of God. We are all sinners, and can only go to Heaven through repentance and suffusion with the grace of God. This grace leaves you if you reject it through mortal sin.

>That's nice but that is still an impure person. Do you have to be perfect to get to heaven or no?

Your attempts to force a false dichotomy are pitiful. You must repent and be in full cooperation with the grace of God to enter Heaven.

The sexually impure will not inherit Heaven. Do not masturbate, repent, and beg Christ for the power to overcome your lust.

>>662056

There's more than one sin. Sexual impurity isn't the only sin that is said to bar you from heaven.

If you're saying you have to be perfectly sinless from your last repentance to go to heaven then you are contradicting yourself and it's impossible to go to heaven since all men are sinners. So if you feel jealousy or greed or lust after a woman and then get hit by a car before you can repent you're going to hell?

Paul lists many more sins, sins that are hard to even be aware of until its too late, like greed, strife, jealousy, enmity, anger…

>Or do you not know that the unrighteous1 will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: xneither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,2 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

>19 Now bthe works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, cdivisions, 21 envy,1 drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that dthose who do2 such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

>>662057

Let's put it this way, you must be as sinless as there is no apparent need for excuses. You must see yourself as honestly free of willful sin.

>>662059

so you can still sin and get to heaven. you don't have to be perfect, ok.

>>662061

yes, but you can't be aware you are doing it. If you are aware of sins and excusing them instead of repenting then you're in trouble.

>>662063

involuntary, unwilled sin is not a sin you are responsible for. Just like you aren't responsible for the sins of your neighbor.

>>662063

repent means you turn away from sin. It doesn't mean you need to feel anything in particular or flaggellate yourself out of guilt.

If a person commits a sin, it has to be willful and conscious.

Your attitude towards sin should be that you flee from it, in general, but if sometimes you fail you don't need to freak out and question your salvation.

>>662068

If it's masturbation, then yes, you should freak out and question your salvation. Masturbation is one of the most sexually impure things you can do with yourself.

>>662057

>Sexual impurity isn't the only sin that is said to bar you from heaven.

And this somehow lessens the importance of fleeing this sin? Is murder not so bad, because rape is just as bad as murder?

>If you're saying you have to be perfectly sinless from your last repentance to go to heaven then you are contradicting yourself and it's impossible to go to heaven since all men are sinners.

Repent, and beg for grace from God. You must wash yourself from the sin (repent), and put on the new man (keep a life from this mortal sin).

>Paul lists many more sins, sins that are hard to even be aware of until its too late, like greed, strife, jealousy, enmity, anger…

And they can all be defeated by the grace of God, you don't just say it's impossible and call Jesus Christ a liar.

>>662080

>Repent, and beg for grace from God. You must wash yourself from the sin (repent), and put on the new man (keep a life from this mortal sin).

your preaching doesn't correct your broken theology.

>you don't just say it's impossible and call Jesus Christ a liar.

you're the one calling Jesus a liar, on one hand you say the impure can't go to heaven, and then you say you don't have to be perfect to go to heaven, because God's grace can save the impure.

>>662089

>your preaching doesn't correct your broken theology.

why yes, my 2,000 year catholic theology is broken by your misreadings and falling away. jk.

>you're the one calling Jesus a liar, on one hand you say the impure can't go to heaven, and then you say you don't have to be perfect to go to heaven, because God's grace can save the impure.

only God's grace can make you pure, bozo.

>>662003

Imagine saying this about homosexuality or murder.

>who cares dude, once saved always saved! go ahead and become a faggot, it's totally cool with God.

No idea America is so shit.

>>662091

>only God's grace can make you pure, bozo.

So you believe in salvation by works and you believe only the sinless can go to heaven. Good luck climbing the impossible ladder and guarding all your thoughts, words and deeds perfectly between your last confession and the time you die.

>>662104

>lusting after some bewbs is the same as murdering an entire village in a fit of rage, both deserve the same amount of guilt and contrition

no. if this were true every christian man would be driven insane.

>>662007

But I'm not. Unless if Jesus lied.

>>662121

You get God's grace just by faith(Ephesians 2:8-9). And you're right only sinless things go to Heaven, which is why your soul goes when you die and not your body.

>>662160

>that wacky dualism

lol

>>662161

>few centuries ago

you mean, a few decades ago

>>662160

Then what was the entire point of the resurrection? Don't you know we shall have glorified bodies, free of sin, enlivened by the beatitude of Jesus Christ?

>>662121

>So you believe in salvation by works and you believe only the sinless can go to heaven.

More false dichotomy. I believe in Faith, then Good Works. Scripture supports me, the Saints and Angels affirm me.

>Good luck climbing the impossible ladder and guarding all your thoughts, words and deeds perfectly between your last confession and the time you die.

I am apart of the one true Church, I confess my sins and receive the true Blood, Body, Divinity, and Spirit of Jesus Christ every Sunday. By the grace of God, I can do it.

The false doctrine you preach is like a virus, it spreads pain and causes nothing but harm.

>>662242

So you get your body back and won't sin in it

>Scripture supports me,

Ha no

>the Saints

not actual saints

>I am apart of the one true Church

again, ha no

>every Sunday

nibba you can't even go a day without sinning, especially bot a week

>>662278

>So you get your body back and won't sin in it

Yes, Christ received His in a glorified form; whereas Christ assumes His kingship in His body, we shall receive an untainted nature in ours. We shall be as angels, eternally bound towards God, in perfect unstained will, as Adam and Eve before the Fall.

>everything else

not an argument

much stronger and truer theology compared to

>ya bro just masturbate ur still good 2 go lol

>>662446

>What's your biblical reasoning for saying masturbation is wrong?

>who is Onan

I want weebs to go and stay go

>>662461

What does Onan have to do with this?

God killed Onan because he didn't obey God's command that he gave him. You can't actually believe that "wasting" semen is some sort of a sin do you?

YOU HAVE TO SCOURGE SIN

PRAY THE JESUS PRAYER

REPENT REPENT REPENT

GIVE PERFECT CONTRITION

IT IS NEVER TOO LATE

>>662489

He's obviously trolling

>>662497

>"obviously trolling"

Like all the other millions of young Christians who think masturbation is wrong because some 60 year old married-since-16-years-old catholic satans puppet pastor told them it was wrong? Ok buddy.

>>662496

would you masturbate in front of Jesus?

>>662500

In heaven we will have no sexual needs, why would anyone masturbate there? How is that an argument?

If you mean "if Jesus was in front of you in this world, would you masturbate?"

The answer is obviously no, just like how I wouldn't masturbate in front of any other person.

>haha porn is not a sin guys the bible never said watching porn is a sin haha I've just watched some and I don't feel guilty haha surely God allows it

>*posts effeminate anime picture*

>>662511

B-but he doesn't mention the word porn! T-The pixels on the screen aren't real women!

I mean, I have quite a hard time breaking this habit too, but this mental gymnastics is just too much.

You're a prot anyway so why do you care about sins anyway? You're saved by faith aren't you?

Once saved always saved dude!

>>662514

What? Who said I was a protestant? I'm just trying to prove from the bible that the way you're thinking is wrong but you just keep making it sound like I'm saying things I haven't said. As I said, if you can prove to me from the bible that it's wrong the you win, I can't find it, and from what you've said so far you haven't either.

Every Christian who has the Holy Spirit wishes to do according to the will of God, myself included. Stop this "haha look at this guy once saved always saved xd even though he never said that" and talk to me like a real person.

>>662518

>Who said I was a protestant?

>wah wah show me a verse that says you can't rub your peepee

Literally a prot

>>662003

THAT ISN'T WHAT SOLA FIDE MEANS STOP IT

>>662511

What if im jerking off to anime thou those are not real people

80% of this thread reads like one of those modern plays where one performer walks to center stage, sits down on a chair, and argues with himself for three hours.

I feel enlightened. I had never, until now, understood the true meaning of "summer".

>>662607

pretty soon you're gonna find floor tiles attractive

>>662640

Sadly I now find some effeminate looking boys attractive.

i blame THEM for being so girly-looking tho.

>>662003

even an atheist wouldn't fap.

it saps your energy.

>>662003

Sola fide is no excuse to continue in the sin which the Lord hates.

>>662640

I still think that was an elaborate RP.

>>662650

This is true, to God if you Imagine yourself doing something it is the same as doing so, this is why Fantasy is one of the worsts sins

>>662642

Yeah dude, "men" under 5'8" should be executed.

>>662446

>Shilling for masturbation

>Anime

Coincidence?

Mt 5:26-30

"You have heard that it was said, 'You shall not commit adultery.'

But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.

And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.

>And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.

yeah it literally says 'Go and jerk off to pixels it's not a sin as long as you muh sola fide bro'

Grow up, stop justifying your weakness and face it. The lust is a cardinal sin.

For all the trouble people have with this topic, why has the bible not been 100% clear on it if it's such a grave sin? Wouldn't sexual immorality mean adultery and pre-marital intercourse, specifically?

>>663719

How is "sexual impurity" not enough to cover masturbation? Is masturbation sexual purity? Did people even jack off all that often without the ease of use and calculated pornography? Every fetish, every sexual impurity is catered to.

>>663734

It confuses me because despite being grouped with sin, it doesn't require outside influence of any kind, and it also brings actual pain such as pent up stress and some health problems. Why has it been warned of through hints and implications and not a clearly spelled out sin like adultery in all its forms (non-marital fornication, incest, homosexuality, bestiality) as being the act of joining with another in a way the Lord had not intended? I'm not against discipline and asking for God's guidance in times of need, but why must this thorn make us suffer so much not only in soul, but also in physicality (not the need itself, but the actual pain it brings) and not even able to evade altogether, maybe even interfere with a man's christian duties or everyday life (through pain and clouding of the mind), especially he who has not yet met the woman of his life? I know resisting sin may hurt, but must it hurt even when we are safe from any possible outside influence of the world around us?

>>663740

>and not a clearly spelled out sin like adultery in all its forms

>Matthew 5:27 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

I mean if you figure out how to masturbate without lusting for a woman I'll applaud you but it seems impossible form here also you shouldn't try

>>663750

>anyone who looks at a woman lustfully

Even depictions of fictional women? Or an imagined concept of your ideal wife?

>dude Jesus doesn't explicitly condemn x, so therefore it's okay!

>t. sinner trying to justify his sin

>>663751

>lustfully

Key word there, anon.

Lust is a vice, no two ways about it.

The only reason one masturbates is for sexual gratification. And seeing has how human sexuality was granted for the confines of a loving marriage between a man and a woman, getting off to anime doesn't count.

Mortify your flesh so the spirit may be exalted.

>>663751

As far as I can see, its not outlawed because you're hurting the woman you're looking at, so that leaves it being because you're tainting yourself.

>>663755

>>663756

I see. So the Enemy strikes us both when we resist and when we don't. Life's gonna hurt more from now on…

What is a christian to do when trapped in a wet dream then?

>>663800

Let it happen, its nature's way of releaseing old semen from your balls. This helps prevent the condition commonly known as blue balls

>>663740

>>663751

>>663800

>What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

>>663900

I was asking because I was dubious about the nature of the lust itself. For example:

>“7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.” Romans 7:7 (KJV)

Getting horny because you saw erotic art doesn't mean you actually lust (covet) to go have sex with the woman depicted in said art. If that were the true meaning of the teachings against lust in the bible, if you are "aroused" by the sight of food and I even imagine how good that food would be to eat that, you'd be automatically doomed for gluttony, even though actual gluttony would be desiring to go and steal that food. To covet it.

Same thing goes for looking at a cool car and wondering how fun it'd be to drive it; it isn't the same as actually stealing it for yourself, i.e. coveting it, because covetousness in the Bible is the thought which makes you actually commit the sin (theft, murder, adultery and fornication) because the desire is continuous, unlike some random temporary fantasy to rub off to.

Jesus says in Matthew 5:27-28 that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart, but Romans 7:7 describes "lust" as covetousness, and covetousness is a lasting sin that actually pushes one to commit it. He also explicitly describes the lust surfacing when you look at a woman in the flesh, rather than a depiction.

>“There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.” 1 Corinthians 10:13 (KJV)

>but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

"A" way indicates more than one possible way, other than praying.

>“Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;” II Corinthians 10:5 (KJV)

This one explains that we should cast away ideas that go against the teachings of God (bestiality, homosexuality, adultery, incest, orgies, rape, etc.) because he did not design us for this. Philippians 4:8 tells us that we can think about whatever is true, right and lovely; in summation, things God approves of and deems right for us. It is stated in Genesis that the Lord created sexuality between a man and a woman (whose bodies belong to him) as a good thing that is to be cherished. Isn't that be insinuating that depictions of human sexuality as God intended (heterosexual and non-degenerate) are a good thing to imagine?

>>664652

The differential I'm dubious about is: How is the thought

>"I'd love to have a wife to have such a relationship with"

The same as

>"I want to have this guy's woman for myself" (lust/covet sin)

>>662003

This is an attitude that just neglects the existence of God, who finds masturbation to be an abomination. Do you have any relationship with Him?

>>662003

Christ dies and rises again, conquering death and offering salvation to all mankind.

>Sorry man, that sounds interesting but I'm preoccupied with beating my dick like an animal.

You should definitely beat yourself up over it.

>>662003

Romans 6. Nice argument.

>>663666

The whole 'gouge your eye out' thing is symbolic, right? I really don't want to gouge my eye out. That would not be fun for me. I can never tell when the symbolism ends and the literal parts start.

>>666822

It's not symbolic.

>>667048

Fudge. Can't I just wear eyepatches?

>>667411

self control works too

>>661999

I graduated a couple weeks ago. I came back from work and my mother told me my third grade teacher stopped by with a graduation gift. One of the gifts was an HCSB Bible. I'd been slipping back more and more as summer hit. I looked inside the cover three days ago. There was a note inside. Since then I've gotten back on track.

>abstain from masterbation

>have a wet dream full of sinful actions

There's no winning, tell me why God cares if I fap if he lets me get wet dreams.

>>672635

Original Sin. Our wills are perverted to begin with, though it is forgiven upon baptism, we still suffer it unto death.

St. Augustine pointed out that it probably wasn't the appearance of their genitals that Adam and Eve covered, it was the appearance of -uncontrolled arousal-.

I'm 27, unmarried, what am I supposed to do? There's no marriage in sight, I'm supposed to go 35 years without fapping? I mean I know it's a sin but how the hell can you avoid it?

>>662943

>no other purpose than offspring

Are we supposed to be robots? Insects?

God help me, I don't feel any guilt for masturbation, feel great afterwards, I ride the high for a few minutes, food tastes better, music sounds better.

>>672635

You can't control your dreams, and your brain will want what it wants, but your brain is NOT you, your soul is you. When your conscious your brain also craves things that are unhealthy for the soul but that doesn't mean you give in.

>>672682

Going the rest of your life with fapping will actually make you MORE miserable. Nofap will make things easier for you in the long run, as it exchanges the long joys for short-term gain, fapping makes you MORE lonely, not less!

It took me nearly 2 years to curb my fapping habit and now i'm nearly 2 years clean. It does seem impossible at first, but it's not. Work it like a muscle, work it like any skill, you will be miserable at first and fail often, but eventually you'll reach a point where you can't believe your former self fapped for so long.

>>672694

>Nofap will make things easier for you in the long run, as it exchanges the long joys for short-term gain, fapping makes you MORE lonely, not less!

Sorry, I messed up this sentence, I meant fapping exchanges the long joys for short term gain, not the opposite.

>>672682

Yes.

You can't just quit that shit, it doesn't work that way.

You have to gradually let it go, you must hate it, hate porn and hate yourself for being attached to it.

Priests and nuns can do it and so can you, anon, so can we all.

>>672694

>>672699

Dudes, if I don't fap for 3 days I'll jump on the first skank I see, seriously. My libido is very high, I fap because I don't want to be with skanks. And I don't think I'm getting married anytime soon.

>>672700

So don't fap for 2 days. Then go for 3 days after a week. Then go for 4 days, 5 days, a week, a month.

It might take you many years until you quit. You might drop back into old habits.

But the important thing is that you fight it and never stop. It is not easy anon, but you simply must learn how to fight.

Friendly Reminder:

"Jewish involvement in the X-rated industry can be seen as a proverbial two fingers to the entire WASP establishment in America. Some porn stars viewed themselves as frontline fighters in the spiritual battle between Christian America and secular humanism. According to Ford, Jewish X-rated actors often brag about their ‘joy in being anarchic, sexual gadflies to the puritanical beast’. Jewish involvement in porn, by this argument, is the result of an atavistic hatred of Christian authority: they are trying to weaken the dominant culture in America by moral subversion. Astyr remembers having ‘to run or fight for it in grammar school because I was a Jew. It could very well be that part of my porn career is an “up yours” to these people’. Al Goldstein, the publisher of Screw, said (on lukeford.net), ‘The only reason that Jews are in pornography is that we think that Christ sucks. Catholicism sucks. We don’t believe in authoritarianism.’ Pornography thus becomes a way of defiling Christian culture"

http://www.jewishquarterly.org/issuearchive/articled325.html?articleid=38

>>667048

>>667411

it IS symbolic.

otherwise all the statues of saints would be losing limbs wouldn't they?

self-mutilation has never been an standard christian practice.

>>672741

The Priests heard worst anon.

G-guys

I was on day 3 of nofap and I was about to give in, but the player closed itself twice.

Is this a warning?

>>673360

Try to think of it as "help"

>>672742

>Jewish involvement in the X-rated industry can be seen as a proverbial two fingers to the entire WASP establishment in America

people still think the WASPs give a shit about sexual impurities? it was the Catholics who cared enough to actually fight this.

I don't have any plans for tonight nor tomorrow night, so I'm gonna have to sit at home like a retard. It's making me feel sick in the stomach. I don't think I can make it until saturday. What do?

How do normies manage to have plans every single night of the week? This shit is beyond me.

>>673819

Watch a movie, anon. Don't bore your own self.

>>663755

So then marring an extremely disgusting looking woman must be the most christian thing ever, I mean, after minivans and huge white houses of course.

>>673820

>Watch a movie, anon

I know, I can play games, watch movies, draw or whatever. But I've been doing this for years and it hasn't led me anywhere. I just want to hang out with people, this is the only way out.

>>673838

God job, anon. You beat it.

hope one day i'll take the road to infinity… but until then, i'll need a lot of support and maybe, maybe anti-depressants… and the hand of lord, because for him I will take that path

>>675077

longest I've gone was 21 or 23 and I was at the edge of insanity that moment

>>674972

Good job anon. Never give up.

Don’t you need to clear the pipes periodically?

>>673838

>After failing nofap I just said something like: "God I can't do this, I'm gonna hand this sin over to you so you can take care of it cause I can't, whatever happens happens. I'm done 'fighting it'."

Nothing blasphemous about that at all, anon. In fact, that may be the best way to deal with lust, or any son in general. There's a reason that the Holy Spirit I dwells believers: we nee to rely on his power in order to achieve jokiness and victory over sin. We must rely on gospel weapons (prayers for God to destroy the root of sin in a believer) to fight sin, not carnal methods of mind-over-matter.

>>675402

Meant to say "achieve holiness"

Stupid autocorrect

>>675408

>turning nofap into a race issue

Yeah because we all know that whites never had any form of porn, right? Christianpol really needs to go

I've lost count, I think its been around 6 months, I don't know or care really. You shouldn't count the days I believe. Either way, you're a filthy animal if you wank so stop it. Watching some stray hound rub its genitles across the ground for a keep relief should be enough for you to reflect.

>>675111

That's a lame excuse I use to tell mself, your body does it for you, a wet dream you know? Or maybe get a wife. Anyway, Leviticus tells us to:

"When a man has an emission of semen, he must bathe his whole body with water, and he will be unclean till evening."

>>675408

Ye vile serpent seed, death be upon you! You will become our lord's footstool.

>>675411

The Bible is all about race, its an important issue you can't escape, much like statistics.

>>675415

>the Bible is all about race

So I guess that's why:

-Jesus shred his blood for men

-Jesus spoke with Samaritans

-Jesus appointed a Canaanite as an apostle

-St. Paul, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, said that there is neither Jew or Greek, and that we are all one in Christ

-St. Paul tells us to avoid genealogies

Look, if you don't wan to race mix, that's fine. But don't declare it as a sin when there is no Scriptural evidence for this. And stop acting like you're a victim; no one is forcing you to race mix.

>b-but muh Jewish propaganda and social engineering

If you're so impressionable that tv and movies influence your actions, you have bigger problems on your hands.

>>675415

>Watching some stray hound rub its genitles across the ground for a keep relief

I have mixed feelings about this statement. While I do believe that masturbation is a beastly practice, I think most dogs drag their genitals on the floor because it itches. You wouldn't say that scratching your balls is a sin, right?

>>675423

I don't know what you're getting at here, this reads like copypasta. I have nothing against talking with Samaritans lol, you're assuming I'm some steretypical skinhead who curb stomps every negro I see see. The Chirst does acknowledges race, for instance he says,

"Is it not meet to take the children's bread, and cast it to dogs" after he says to the canaanite women "I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel". He heals her vexed daughter after her show of great faith, but the principle goal still remained at hand. When the hour eventually came, he started preaching to the Samaritans and other nations as well of course.

Chirst also teaches "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you". There was an exception here with Canaanite women because of her show of faith, but the principle stills remains. A corrupt tree shouldn't be judged on the one good fruit it bearith, but as a whole. Don't open the gates to the hordes, human nature is a funny thing.

>St. Paul, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, said that there is neither Jew or Greek, and that we are all one in Christ

Yeah, my father also says there is neither female and male too. Guess we are all gender neutral. Its about the blood of christ (living water, the spirit). Also, "Students are not greater than their teacher, and slaves are not greater than their master". Hierarchy is still in existence

>St. Paul tells us to avoid genealogies, or quarrels and fights about obedience to Jewish laws

That's about spiritual pedigrees like the High priests and elders, which I don't endose because all teachers of the law are equal in stature. This was an issue with the disciples arguing who is the greatest of them all. If anyone wants to be first, he must be the last of all and the servant of all. Luke 22:24-30

Also, I never mentioned race mixing, this is totally copy pasta kek, "acting like a victim", give me a break lmao. Anyway if you insist, Leviticus 21:15: Neither shall he profane (corrupt) his seed among his people: for I the LORD do sanctify him. Leviticus 21:15: You are to keep My statutes. You shall not crossbreed two different kinds of livestock; you shall not sow your fields with two kinds of seed; and you shall not wear clothing made of two kinds of material (lower quality). God wants his people to pursue purity and quality, a Godly character. Remember he does discriminate those with deformities and blemishes becoming priests.

There is also the whole issue with Edom corrupting his seed with Canaanite blood, Tower of Babel, and I can go on and on but lets not. I already wasted enough time on you as it is.

>>675424

Scratching your balls In public is pretty indecent, I don't know if its a sin, but if Jesus wouldn't do it, I wont. Simple really, but hard to master.

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I've just finished reading this. It's been a few days and I've felt more hopeful of beating porn than ever. Please read it.

>>662037

Think about this: What do you actually get out of it? You get something out of fapping to porn, otherwise you wouldn't do it.

But you know it doesn't give you the peace and relaxation it promises. All it does is the relieve the craving to fap for a while.

We struggle to "give up" porn because we feel we are going to miss out on something (even though we know as Christians we should not miss what it offers, which fuels our guilt).

You are not "giving up" anything when it comes to stopping porn. You are quitting an addiction to dopamine.

>>672682

Like >>672694 says, fapping will make you more miserable. Using porn is not actually giving you anything. It momentarily quells the craving (a negative feeling). It does not make you happier (a positive, t.captain obvious).

We have inbuilt systems in our body where we can pass excess semen through urine and have wet dreams. Masturbation in bed with no image assistance is also different to fapping to porn. While not ideal, if you must do something, do it in you bed with no technology or images/videos available.

If fapping is wrong, what are some other ways to deal with loneliness?

>>661999

I'll now give you a single advice and that will - provided you keep doing it regularly - free you from habitual sin:

Pray the Rosary.

Pray the Rosary.

Pray the Rosary.

Pray 15/20 decades every day - but in any case pray at least the mysteries of the day.

You WILL break habitual sin if you do that.

>>675518

Getting out into the world and interacting with others is the only way. I have to work on this, too. I plan on going back to university and getting a second degree that closely ties in with my first so there's a minimal number of units.

But please, don't think of fapping as a way of dealing with loneliness. It isn't. As long as you think it is, stopping it will be much harder because you will feel you are missing out on something by not being able/allowed. You are not missing anything.

That's what you seem to be implying with your question. If not then I apologise for the misunderstanding

>>675518

Getting involved in your parish/youth groups/sports/activity groups/etc..

Meet people, get to know them etc..

>>675523

>>675522

Thank you for you answers, but it isn't that simple to me, ive been dealing with depression for years and my social skills are non-existant. Every time I tried to join such groups I was met with hate, or people that would be quite a bad influence on me. As I live in region where going to church is considered to be a necessity, and lot's of people are forced into church groups, so they aren't a good place to meet genuine people as well.

>>675528

If that's how you feel, are you able to relocate elsewhere? Even just try a different church or side of town?

As for being met with hate in groups, what happened exactly?

>>675531

I live in a village so church chooise is quite limited. I think that the time I'll be able to relocate is going to be at least 3 years from now. If it comes to that hate I've mentioned, it was mainly something like "you doesn't look like everyone, you don't act like everyone, you have a different mindset then everyone" which ended with lot's of passive agression, tension and being excluded from group activities. Oh and I am talking in general now, not only the church ones, but some of this happend there as well

>>675499

>I don't know what you're getting at

Shouldn't it be obvious? The bible doesn't teach racism, dickhead.

>Christ called a Canaanite woman a dog

And that proves what, exactly? How do you know he was testing the woman?

>I guess we're all gender neutral

Wew that about missing the point. The point is that the body of Christ are all equal, regardless of their race or sex. You should marry a believer of the opposite sex, and that's it.

>That's about spiritual pedigrees like the high priest

That's total bullshit. We all know what a genealogy is. Talk about a complete perversion of Scripture.

>I never mentioned race mixing

But the person I replied to did. Didn't you pay attention to that??? You're quoting the Mosaic law, like that has anything to do with the discussion. The mosaic law is a defunct document, so who gives a shit? It also gives commands to sacrifice animals, undergo ceremonial washings, not to eat pork, etc. I'm sure you don't follow all of those laws, do you?

Your reasoning of mixed things having less quality is absolutely retarded. Have you ever hear o metal alloys? Steel is much stronger than iron, but it's a mixture of other metals and elements. You don't even know what the fu¢k you're talking about.

>I wasted enough time on you

Good. You had nothing valuable to say in the first place.

>>662446

>>661999

There is no Biblical passage saying that masturbation is wrong, it's very neutral, but in such timelines:

-no acessible water (desert or egypt) guaranteed to wash yourself after

-no acessible cleaning products

-no free room, every tent or space shared by family, small houses

It's implied that it's an unclean habit for wrong reasons.

In modern days, masturbation is much danger than back then. With all kinds of porn to warp your mind, with porn having been used in real time military conflicts (against the enemy), it's a different scenario.

The problem is the level of difficulty. Sometimes you don't fap because you want to sin, but rather, because the urge grows day by day until it reaches such a peak it requires big dedication to not fall to it.

>>675500

>scratching your balls in public

>public

Who said anything about public? You and I both know that dogs don't have a concept of public vs private; it's the act itself that is in question. My point is that dogs are dragging their genitals on the ground because they itch. It's perfectly okay to scratch your balls in private because your junk isn't exploited or emphasized in public, and there is nothing inherently disordered or evil about scratching yourself. However, masturbation is always disordered because it results in the wasting of seed, so its a sin whether you do it in public or private.

>>675535

>There is no Biblical passage saying that masturbation is wrong,

"The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity, and debauchery"

"Flee from sexual immorality. Every other sin a man can commit is outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body."

"Now I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable."

>>672690

Do you think masturbation is what God intended for you? Sitting there alone, cleaning yourself up and closing your porn tabs?

It's obvious that men aren't intended to masturbate. Instead of thinking about women, God designed you to be with one. Men and women are so perfectly complementary (even ignoring physical traits) that it's obvious what you should want.

if ive confessed but fap once afterwards does that mean i have to confess again?

>>675505

This book looks like some magazine ad. "WHY NOT DO IT THE 'EASYWAY'"? " Hi, I've designed a new perfect method to stop for good, and I call it 'EASYWAY'. Keep reading or this book will never work. You'd better finish my book because willpower doesn't work. Why not just do it the EASYWAY"

>>684439

Yes. Any time you enter a state of mortal sin you need to confess again. Remember confession is a promise you won't sin anymore, and while you might keep failing now, keep at it, and some day you will be graced.