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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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4f5f49 No.659948

What is the form of economics a Christian should support? I have been looking into Corporatism because it was promoted by the Catholics, but I am open to other ideas.

7a88c3 No.659955

>>659948

The one that doesn't compromise your faith

definitely not (((Communism))), bo matter how much /leftpol/ says otherwise


15654c No.659956

>>659948

Probably crony capitalism, because most of the big mafia guys were all Catholic. I wanna be like the Godfather.


b8fbbe No.659964

>sell everything you own to follow me

Socialism!


878fcb No.659968

This is the only correct answer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributism


eeb7ad No.659969

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>>659968

This, tbh


e024e3 No.659972

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Isn't it bad to have a economy where you can't be poor?

God has often made people poor, as a form of punishment(Ex:The whole bible) or reminder not to sin(IE:Job).


5fa0e0 No.659974

>>659948

daily reminder that it's a sin to be a commie

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decree_against_Communism

don't fall for the /leftypol/ memes


164422 No.659975

>>659948

I'll just leave this here of what I believe a decent christian society should look like.

> Acts 4:32 - 35; All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. And Gods grace was so powerfully at work in them all that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales and put it at the apostles feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need.


70d7ff No.659979

>>659972

This. Being poor can be a blessing; the poor are often some of the most pious people.


9bcb4a No.659984

>>659948

Austrian Private Society. Examples: Singapore (run by Temasek), a cameralist system like in Prussia and the following federated monarchy of the 2nd Reich, Lavasa and Gurgaon in St. Thomas Land, Hong Kong under Gubernatorial rule.

>>659956

gabagool

>>659964

?

>>659974

/anarcho/, /marx/, /leftyweebpol/, raddle.me, theory twitter (anyone 5 steps from existential comics), theory reddit, theory youtube, getchan, bunkerchan, 0chan lp, etc.


b1e606 No.659988

>>659948

Unironically ancapstan


291cb4 No.659991

>"So I saw that there was no good except that a man should rejoice in his works; for that is his portion. For who shall bring him to see what happens after him?" Ecclesiastes 3:22 (OSB)

Enjoy what you have, and help others if you can. Don't fall for the /leftypol/ memes, that has never turned out well for the Faith.


55b408 No.659994

Look beyond people's bloated perceptions of ideologies. The primary economic theories are collectivism vs individualism - best described as Socialism vs Capitalism. The crux of the argument is concerning what the economic unit is. In a socialist society, the economic unit of society is the collective - no man owns a company, all of the workers do. On the other hand, capitalism lays the economic unit on the individual - if a man founds a company, then it is his to do what he wills.

I would argue that the ideal society is a capitalist but with a very heavy focus on Christian morality, because a secular capitalism almost always leads to consumerism and hedonism. Socialism is a pipe dream in that it denies the nature of man as fallen - Man is not naturally good, he is fallen. Hence, this is why Socialism ways fails and falls to dictatorship - because it needs to battle with the nature of man. In doing so, then, it requires men to be cohersed into giving - not out of the kindness of their hearts, but out of force. While a secular capitalism leads to hedonism, Socialism of any kindeads to misery.

Capitalism exploits man's fallen nature and funnels it to a constructive purpose. John wants to be wealthy and have a hot tub, so he starts a business and hires Tom. Now Tom has a job that he can use to put food on the table. It is essential, however, that John does not abuse his authority, because if every boss is cruel, then Tom is stuck between a rock and a hard place.

Galatians 5 comes to mind.


37f805 No.659997

>>659968

Yeah, this


c1adbb No.660003

>>659948

Any economical system that Christians had before like 1300 or so.


e9f6bd No.660005

>>659968

the thing with this is i looked into it more and basically it doesn't really have any answers or solutions or anything. just that people should be able to have earn their living? but how? does the government enforce that? what if it's more efficient to work in a big company than doing some small thing on your own? it really doesn't answer much as far as i could tell. if you could explain more it would be appreciated.


e9f6bd No.660007

>>659994

>I would argue that the ideal society is a capitalist but with a very heavy focus on Christian morality,

Yeah this is basically the conclusion I came to so far at least. Communism and Socialism sucks ass (and is condemned by the Cat Church). Capitalism at least gives us some control apart from the atheistic devil worshipping state. It works good enough if we actively have more people working hard encouraging other people to be more charitable. The catholic church has strong influence in the healthcare system because we own so many hospitals and so on. We just really have to work harder, fund our churches better, get better people in charge and do the Lord's work. Capitalism allows us to have the freedom to do this, other systems just steal all our labor for their satanic atheistic goals.


f893bc No.660042

>>660005

Bump for interest


7fbfa6 No.660053

Roman/Middle Ages style corporation with a pinch of capitalism, both of them under the guidance of true Christian values and a monarch with an aristocratic class to oversee the Country and the Nation and high clerics as mentors.


d2eec4 No.666048

>>659948

The Corporatism we see around us today is probably (along-side with Communism) the most anti-Christian form of economics. It's all about earning money and gaining monopoly. That being said, I know near to nothing about other forms of corporatism and I'm not really interested for now.

Unironically, in a community of true followers of Jesus, a certain form of Socialism is inevitable. The closer you get to God, the more selfless you become, the less you care about the things of the world, and the more you care about helping others. I strongly oppose Socialism, except in this context, because in this context nobody is forced to give up all they own, they do it out of free will and love for each other. A true Christian community is most likely the only context in which a form Socialism could work. Needless to say, Socialism in this context is very different from the types of Socialism we've seen in action, so don't let the label confuse you.


bc5813 No.666050

None.


bc5813 No.666051

>>666048

You don't know what "corporatism" means.


72da52 No.666056

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>>660053

>true Christian values

>monarch

>aristocratic class

nice LARP. This is why I try to never visit economical and political threads on this board


11b421 No.666057

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>>666056

>monarchy is not christian


07a206 No.666138

>>666057

Considering most of the Monarchs of Europe were excommunicated I would say no it really isn't.


b3961d No.666142

>>659972

>God has often made people poor, as a form of punishment

<For He maketh His sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

—–

>or reminder not to sin

>In the land of Uz there lived a man whose name was Job. This man was blameless and upright; he feared God and shunned evil. (Job 1:1)

Like, are you even trying? Richness or poverty has nothing to do with your temporal circumstances. Christ explicitly teaches this and the one old testament book you site is the one that most explicitly proves the point.

Now, the old convenant does make promises- but it's to a people, not an individual. No individual's circumstances can be pointed to and say "because he sinned" or "because he is righteousness"

I'll acknowledge that certain sins have predictable consequences and, indeed, you can willfully drag yourself down but… dang, what you're suggesting is the opposite of what Christ teaches.


11b421 No.666146

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>>666138

*blocks your path*


ffdbfe No.666148

A Christian can support a variety of economic theories. Christ's teachings are not a political programme, and he never calls for or even describes a 'just' economic system ('render unto Caesar,' etc.), only individual acts of conscience. 'My kingdom is not of this world'

The only theories which are incompatible with faith are those which claim that human nature is changeable, and therefore that man is not made in the image of God. This is why utopian Marxism has to be ruled out, although a milder form of socialism isn't necessarily at odds with Christianity. Equally, there is no doctrinal problem with free-market capitalism.


e2dcb2 No.666162

>>666148

>Equally, there is no doctrinal problem with free-market capitalism.

Actually, really "extremist" capitalists hate the idea of human nature, too.

Balance in all things.


92cd0c No.666195

>>659979

>Being this unsympathetic (with poor people btw)

Multitudes of landless poor have been the source from were the hordes of communist uprisings have been recruited, moreso than any meme socialism that could be claimed to be brought about by capitalist abundance.


a601ee No.666200

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>>666056

>what is symphonia

>doesn't know what oligarchy means


ad7360 No.666601

capitalism


72da52 No.666615

>>666200

>what is symphonia

Concept that may be applied to any kind of Government, no necessarily a m*narchy

>le masons

dropped


4e8de3 No.666621

>>659968

The agrarian verse of this. Men wasn't meant to live in big cities, that's why the Devil has so much power over humanity now that we live altogether with no charisma towards our neighbors.


033b33 No.666645

>>666615

>Concept that may be applied to any kind of Government, no necessarily a m*narchy

Nope, the idea of symphonia is that society is to be a living image on earth of God's government in heaven which is monarchical. The monarchical family is an icon of the Holy Family.


637c56 No.666647

>>659948

One where material wealth is not the end goal of humanity.

One that do not destroy communities and nations.

This mean no communism and no the current globalist (((oligarchic))) crony form of capitalism.


d00099 No.666653

>>659972

You can be poor in all economies and especially so with communism and socialism.


3b0727 No.672537

>>659948

One in which the economy is subjected to the common good of the country. Good above all else being love for God and love for Neighbor, and lastly good in the sense of material goods.

In my own opinion this would be a market economy with government regulations to subsidize familial and community living, by encouraging employment, market stability, widespread land ownership, fraternal/church organization, marriage, localism.




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