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>>659041

She is still saved who cares

>>659043

Maybe. But I'm suspect maybe if she's doing this she was never really saved in the first place. If that's the truth then I want to help her get saved. Either way though, even if she is truly saved, an apostate is an apostate and an idol is an idol. They both need to be rooted out and brought to the truth. Smash idols and lead apostates back to Christ.

>>659045

You know what, screw this I'm just going to do it. Wish me luck /christian/.

>>659046

use a stout hammer

>>659046

Good luck Baptist-sama, don't drive her away from the faith though. Pray that in time she'll see the error of her ways.

>>659041

Sledge Hammer or hand held hammer, what should I use /christian/? I also have an axe and a hatchet, too dangerous maybe?

>>659041

You know this is going to strengthen her belief tbh

>>659050

No it's not, she's going to learn about the wrath of the LORD!

You can't become a Hindu. You're born into a caste. What she practices is some Western new-age Hindu-inspired spiritualism or something.

You know, it probably won't matter anyways if you smash them. She's almost guaranteed just an atheist that bought some Hindu shit for her apartment to show off to her new age stoner friends how "spiritual" she is.

>>659053

>You know, it probably won't matter anyways if you smash them.

I think God cares. If you do it do it for Him. God comes first.

>>659053

Don't care. I don't want any of that demonic shit anywhere in my family! I will be the man here and stand up for the faith and well being of my family. Her idols are winnie the pooh done tomorrow.

>>659055

Well go for it then my man. Just figured it needed to be said.

>>659054

Also this OP, remember to pray for her as well. She's not your enemy, the pagan shit is.

>>659051

You sound like you're LARPing tbqh

>>659055

So you're going to break into your sister's apartment and smash her Hindu statues? Definitely LARPing.

>>659041

>My sister, who was raised a strict Baptist like me, has now become Hindu.

Offtopic, but

Out of all the POOH religions, it had to be h*ndu?

>>659041

LARP : the post

>>659062

Honestly I'd rather be him than you.

>>659079

ummm once saved always saved sweetie

>>659079

Making fun of baptist “once saved, always saved”

Aggressively destroying her property will not bring her closer to God. It will drive her further from you and from God.

>>659041

Why the winnie the pooh did she chose Hinduism over Buddhism anyways

>People ITT think this is real

>>659101

Yeah, OP, wear a camera and post the video of your puritanical attack. I expect to hear you singing hymns while carrying it out.

>destroy nation idols in iron age mesapotamia

>idolaters realise their god is false and worship the Lord

>destroy some atheists new age junk

>she buys more and think christians are a bunch of spastics who autism out at shit

>>659041

Use reason

Next time i see a hare krishna gathering i would beat them till they never walk again

>>659041

Also when you sister decides to sue you for destroying her stuff, make sure to delete this thread

>>659136

Civil liability aside, vandalism and destruction of property is a crime. She can rightfully call the police and press criminal charges in addition to the civil suit.

>>659150

Maybe OP can begome a prison preacher

>>659118

^This.

Most New Age Nihilistic Atheist "Hindus"/"Buddhists"/"Wiccans"/etc. don't take their "gods"/religious worldview seriously enough to make the "My idols/"gods" were destroyed: this must be a sign that my "gods" are inferior! I will repent and come over to the One True God!" leap. Even in the Old Testament, when the Tabernacle was captured and proceeded to pwn idols and cities left and right as it was passed from pagan town to pagan town in a game of hot potato, was not enough to make said pagans repent. All you will accomplish is breeding ill will, and hand her more anti-Christian ammunition on a silver platter in the form of another "Those crazy Fundy Christians!" story she can relay to her other New Age Nihilist friends; not to mention potential prison time as others have noted.

Remember: Christ called us to higher standards of human behavior in the New Covenant for a reason: he foresaw conundrums like this coming up. Even when the apostles implored Jesus to go full "Sodom and Gommorah" fire and brimstone on a town that had spurned them he said "No, we do not do that anymore."

>>659172

Sissylamist destroy catholic idols all the time.

>>659176

>The islamists are doing it too

>ergo we should stoop to their level

Well golly, I love goats now!

>>659197

Yes, it causes scandal.

Scandal in the Catholic sense, that someone seeing this and knowing you as a Christ, may presume it's ok to keep genuine false idols around the house. Or, they may assume you are not a true Christian and may be a LARPER in disguise, or several other scandalous assumptions that bring dishonor upon you, and may bring sin onto others.

>>659200

>knowing you as a Christian

fixed

>>659197

Why would you even buy it? it just disgusting

>>659200

>Catholic

<Christian

Memes aside, anyone who steps within this house knows of our faith, it's just assumed (Bible Belt for reference). Such an absurd little figure looks no different to us than any fictitious entity created for entertainment. It's a pink elephant man with four arms, it's like having a little novelty statue of Santa.

>>659202

>disgusting

It just looks goofy and novel to me. I give the poos this, they have some good aesthetic taste when it comes to sculpting/illustration.

>>659189

>literal pagans can be saved

>meaning catholics and orthodox and most christians aren't

Can't wait for the baptist mental gymnastics

>>659217

I guess when they broke down the altars of false gods before, it was just to convert the idolators and no other reason. For instance, such as having respect for God. But this "line of thought" just reflects your own godless mentality. God doesn't even come into the equation. Also on top of that you are acting like a passive soyboy who thinks we all need to compromise to get along in every situation. Gideon broke down his father's altar and he didn't ask permission first, but I guess he was wrong to do that, we should all just hold hands together with the Baal worshippers,. And whisper to them sweet words of mutual understanding. If only we would just give a little bit more compromise and a bit more understanding, one day we would be as good and virtuous as you are and the world would just be a better place. If only everyone were as willing to compromise to demands as you are!

Like I said, I wouldn't want to be like you. That's how you got like this. So why don't you just go into a corner and just keep signalling how virtuous you are away from everyone else.

>>659041

Yeah, do it, turn her away from Christianity forever.

She will respond 100% positively to getting her shit smashed.

She will return to the fold immediately and love you more than anything and not think you're totally insane.

>>659262

>not smashing other people's property means you agree with them and want to be their friends

I guess (you) are also a faggot enabler for the mere fact (you) have yet to burn down a sodomite night club.

Just pray to god and sacrifice some of your own idols. Internet, articles of popular culture, video games etc are all contemporary idols so maybe your answer is a mirror, and through this faith then mercy might be granted.

>>659262

Strawmanning out the whazoo here.

Gideon was absolutely correct in doing what he did, as were the other idol destroyers of the Old Testament. But Gideon et al. were also dealing with pagans whose faith was so connected with the idols that they could be shut down by just breaking their stuff (and even then, it didn't always work.). The Nihilist New Age Neopagans of today are a different breed. Their idols are just window dressing for their vaguely "spiritual but not religious" free-for-all worldview. OP breaking into his sister's house and smashing her stuff is just going to anger her, make him come off as a nut, and possibly land him in jail.

I.e. see post here >>659172

OP obviously shouldn't compromise, and hold hands and sing Kumbaya with her, but breaking, entering and vandalizing is the opposite extreme in terms of stupidity and will just create more problems.

>>659172

>>659150

Thinking about it more, since the crime is based on hatred of sister's religion, it'll probably be prosecuted as a hate crime.

>>659371

I'd say something more akin to a domestic dispute, hope they find a good Christian judge.

Wrath is a sin.

If OP doesn't follow up with us in the next two days, we can assume he went through with it and is currently sharing a cot with Bubba.

>>659203

It's a false idol of a real religion.

>>659486

It means nothing more than an amusing ornament to us. Think of it this way, is a museum a pagan temple because it houses graven forms of gods whose names were long forgotten by men?

>>659487

A museum is a museum. Having a false idol in your own house-hold is demonstrably different. Would you take up a feast under the honor of a false idol? No? Then why do you bring a false idol into your house-hold?

Tell her that even if Hinduism is the true religion then according to its teachings what she's done to dishonor and dismay her family and caste and community by apostatizing from Christianity has accrued enough bad karmic debt to her that in her next life she's guaranteed not to reincarnate as a human but rather an insect or at best a dog and that violating her social bonds and norms so severely has only moved her further from Moksha.

>>659197

Demons are sometimes attracted by mere cigarette smoke or drawn curtains and here you have a full on image of a demon in your house. :/

>>659507

>by mere cigarette smoke or drawn curtains

This sounds like the kind of shit televangelists talk about for views.

>>659041

>be me

>be curry

>be catholic

>all of my other curry friends are hindu

>remember hearing about king josiah smashing idols

>teacher who taught bible made it seem like josiah was playing baseball with the idols as the ball

>idea comes in head

>destroy idols

>can't because is crime

mfw

good luck, op, maybe you can evangelize in prisons

>>659516

Nope. Heard it from an exorcist.

>>659523

>trusting showbiz-tier scammers who put on a big production on television

>>659524

Evil spirits prowl around the world for the ruin of souls.

>>659530

And you act as though a brightly-colored hunk of ceramic houses an enitiy. It's as much alive or possessed as an action figure.

>>659533

Why do you ignore the Gospel on this? You've been reprimanded several times with either tradition, or scripture.

You reject tradition AND scripture on this. No, not even a Protestant can agree with you when even Scripture forbids this.

>>659535

>tradition AND scripture

I haven't seen anything posted in the repsonses I got. No verses, nothing. And this "tradition" you speak of is Catholic, yes?

>>659538

Behold Israel according to the flesh: are not they, that eat of the sacrifices, partakers of the altar ? 19What then ? Do I say, that what is offered in sacrifice to idols, is any thing ? Or, that the idol is any thing ? 20But the things which the heathens sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God. And I would not that you should be made partakers with devils. 21You cannot drink the chalice of the Lord, and the chalice of devils: you cannot be partakers of the table of the Lord, and of the table of devils. 22Do we provoke the Lord to jealousy ? Are we stronger than he? All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient.

>>659542

But that's talking about worship. I don't even recall the last time it was dusted.

>>659546

Why do you insist on provoking the Lord to jealously? You have one God, why do you allow a false idol into your house-hold?

but enough already, how many times do we have to tell you it's a bad idea?

>>659552

>Why do you insist on provoking the Lord to jealously?

<implying the Almighty cares about an image we don't even associate with divinity

He knows what is in my heart, though you seem to suggest otherwise. I do not pray to it or give it offerings, it simply sits there as motionless and lifeless as the material it was crafted from.

>false idol

How is it any different than an art piece?

>how many times do we have to tell you it's a bad idea?

Until you give me a good argument that doesn't rely on a mental leap the length of the Grand Canyon.

>>659516

>>659524

Why are you slandering an exorcist you've never known in order to insult me? No, this exorcist is not a televangelist, nor even Protestant.

Demons are worshiped through idols. The Bible is very clear on that. Revelation 9:20, Leviticus 17:7, Deuteronomy 32:17, 1 Corinthians 10:20. You should dispose of this thing at once. The Bible is clear on that, too. Acts 19:19.

You have chosen to keep an instrument of demonic worship in your home. You are keeping an open invitation to demons for infestation, oppression, and possession of your property, yourself, or the members of your household.

Yet you refuse to accept correction from fellow Christians. If you ask me, that's a potential sign that the invitation has already been accepted.

>>659134

>Condemn abortion

>The world is disgusted at what intolerant bigots we are

>hardensheart.exe

>yfw we damn the entire world to hell by defending the slighest virtue

>>659582

I'm Baptist.

>>659041

Maybe talk to her first? If you smash her idols she's just gonna buy new ones. You can't teach grown people with violence.

>>659045

>Maybe. But I'm suspect maybe if she's doing this she was never really saved in the first place.

Stop your mental gymnastics bro and become Orthodox.

>>659507

>Demons are sometimes attracted by mere cigarette smoke or drawn curtains

I hope you realize how stupid this is. A curtain is a bloomin' door made of fabric, and tobacco is just a plant. What about pipe smoke? Or chewing tobacco? I close my curtains to avoid flashing the neighbors when I'm changing, how does having curtains closed attract demons?

What about other plants in Solanaceae? Do demons like eggplants and tomatoes? If I burn some tomatoes in the oven, do demons appear in my house?

>>659608

You're aware of the fact that demons are immaterial, right ? They are fallen angels as is satan himself.

If any, bad intention draws them near. Sin. The will to offend God [gravely and on purpose] - whether out of malicious intent or "just tryin'". It's not the incense, not the candles, not the vestments satanshits are wearing and whatever you can think of.

Now get your hollywood-driven internet occultism away from this board, back to /x/ or some sh't. You're just scandalizing people that have poor theological backgrounds.

>>659611

>You're aware of the fact that demons are immaterial, right ?

Yes, I'm aware of that fact.

>They are fallen angels as is satan himself.

Yes, as I stated clearly in the very post you're replying to.

Anyway, ever heard of the Dunning Kruger effect?

>If any, bad intention draws them near. Sin. The will to offend God [gravely and on purpose] - whether out of malicious intent or "just tryin'". It's not the incense, not the candles, not the vestments satanshits are wearing and whatever you can think of.

You're so deep and spiritually insightful.

>Now get your hollywood-driven internet occultism away from this board, back to /x/ or some sh't.

I don't practice occultism. That's a false accusation right there, and you owe me an apology.

Nor is anything I've stated derived from Hollywood or internet culture sources. Another false accusation.

I got the above information from the Bible and directly from demonology literature.

>You're just scandalizing people that have poor theological backgrounds.

Such as yourself?

>>659613

Your reading comprehension is just as bad as your supposed knowledge. Just drop it. It's a scandalous topic.

>>659616

<dont insult my intelligence

Yet here you are insulting ours with this demonic mumbo jumbo. Repent, friend.

>>659618

Now you falsely accuse me of another sin.

>>659619

>two Separate anons are insulted by (your) posts

<how dare you falsely accuse me of insulting people and their intelligence

Its not a false accusation if it's true.

REPENT

>>659631

It isn't true. I never insulted your intelligence. You posted a picture of a handicapped little girl as a reaction image to my post. You've insulted me needlessly, you're a false accuser, and you're a hypocrite. I forgive you.

>>659637

Anyway, my original point was that the one poster should dispose of the pagan idol in his possession because it might attract a demon if it hasn't already done so.

I worry that the side comment about darkness and smoke that I made offhand in addition to the main and more pertinent point has been seized on with such personal animosity merely as a red herring in order to disregard my main point and change the topic to the finer points of demonology, which I didn't intend to discuss in depth, which is to say, in order to derail the thread from the issue of idols.

I'd like to return to my original point about the one idol and urge that poster to destroy it and throw it away immediately.

As for the demonology, I don't care to continue the discussion unless anyone has new objections to raise (rather than repeating the same dismissals or lobbing personal insults or accusations), or is curious to learn my actual sources instead of offering more insinuations.

I also don't hold anything against the other anon who earlier wrongly guessed my sources and that I practice the occult. Those seem like easy enough assumptions to make, so no worries.

>>659837

>skeleton

Spoiler that crap, nearly gave me a heart attack

>>659582

I am lmaoing so hard at this lmao, do you even 'pretend' to know any theology?

>>659197

>Should I chuck it or no?

Don't ask such a question. Throw it in the bin.

>>659197

Honestly, even if you view it as a meaningless cute novelty, there's something about having a stature of a literal demonic entity that people worship that just screams of playing with fire. I'd chuck it just to be on the safe side.

>>660064

Also, think about this:

If it's just essentially a cute, meaningless kitsch santa statue as you say… why have you been arguing so fervently against just throwing it away? Something as trite as you claim should be easy to part ways with.

So whats up, OP? You deliver so hard bubba is your new bunkmate? How much is your bond?

>>659507

>being this superstitious

This is almost as bad as people who claim that drums summon demons. This kind of talk causes the name of Christ and his church to be blasphemed.

Beat her up and convert yourself and your sister to Christianity.

Talk to her about it.

Reminder that you love her and will continue to pray for her. Tell her you want her to come back to the family and the faith.

Eventually, she'll realize what she gave up.

Steven Bancarz all the way. Make her watch most of his videos.

>vid embeded

Ravi Zacharias is a Christian apoligist who comes from India. He is good at ehat he is teaching.

>link below, one his books where Jesus talks to buddah. It's to make prople realise Jesus is better.

https://www.amazon.com/Lotus-Cross-Jesus-Buddha-Conversations/dp/1601423187

Best of luck. May the Lord give you a strong hand, enough arguments and reasons to take your sister back.

>>659041

Why would she become Hindu?

But seriously just smashing garbage won't help, the idol lives in her heart. That's the idol you've got to smash, and you can only do it with words.

>>659041

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