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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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be570f No.655441

What does /christian/ think of Bishop Robert Barron?

5de8b4 No.655443

Brainlet. Steve Anderson is the only pastor I ever listen to.


2177be No.655444

seems based


0cf3b6 No.655445

>>655443

>>655441

Double brainlets for me. I'm Orthodox.


19e466 No.655449

He's all right. I think his attempt to provide a Roman Catholic response to the larger culture is admirable, but can get a bit ambiguous and superficial as with most of Roman Catholicism these days.

>inb4 le hell is empty man


adf410 No.655451

good


3c6baf No.655458

heretic


82e376 No.655462

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>le empty hell man


56880a No.655465

Minus le empty hell I think he's an inspired preacher, and were if not for him I wouldn't be a Christian at all. His appointment is well deserved.


6e13fe No.655476

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>the gehenna is vacant guy


762373 No.655511

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8041f4 No.655523

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>>655476

>>655465

>>655462

>>655449

He didn't say it's empty though, he said that it's possible that it's empty, which is true insofar that there are Catholic theologians that have been advocating this view and who, as far as I know, weren't condemned by the Church for this. So it's a legitimate matter for theologians to discuss whether Hell being empty is consistent with the Magisterium or not.

And anyway, even if he is genuinely wrong, it's a small, insignificant remark, and it's absolutely expected of a person who speaks and teaches much, and who is also a fallible human, to make at least one error somewhere. This happened even to the greatest saints, even people like St. Thomas Aquinas would err sometimes. Because however great theologians they were, they were still fallible. As long as their errors are small, irrelevant, honest mistakes, there is no point in making them the focus of our consideration of them. We don't do this with Aquinas, whose teachings have much more authority and relevance, so I don't see why we should concentrate our attention so hard on one, understandable mistake of Barron. Obsessing over it distorts our view of his overall work, in the same way that obsessing over Aquinas's small, rare errors whenever he is mentioned would.


e9a901 No.655660

>>655462

Hell could be empty at the moment, aren't souls cast in after the Final Judgement?


56880a No.655671

>>655523

Stating that hell can even be possibly empty flatly contradicts basically every vision of hell ever recorded by the saints and, along with the story of Lazarus and Dives if you want to get fully authoritative. Furthermore, he emphasizes the eternal separation from God while downplaying hellfire to the point of describing it as a metaphor for separation. I don't begrudge him for his hope, but given how vitally important the doctrine of hell and how grossly he misrepresents it I ask us all to pray that God will not as well.


fb4f1f No.655674

>>655523

It makes sense for him to say there's a chance of Hell being empty when I saw him make fun of the Fatima apparition in that same video's comment section. People were pointing out that our Lady showed at Fatima a vision of Hell as proof that it cannot possibly be empty, so he laughed the whole thing off instead of admitting he was wrong. Even worse, in another video he said that Hell is not a place of fiery torment, but rather that Hell and Gehenna are spatial metaphors for the deep state of loneliness following separation from God. Again, that directly contradicts scripture and Catholic teaching. What's more, in another video he says not to interpret Adam in Genesis as a literal figure, but rather he is a metaphor for the first "scientist". Once more, he's directly contradicting Catholic doctrine which affirms that Adam and Even were the first humans from which we are all descended.

I understand he probably does good things, but personally I think he's just another false teacher who distorts the truth to appeal to people's "feel good" view of the faith.


3c6baf No.655676

>>655523

>it's not heresy when we do it


3c6baf No.655677

>>655660

Hell is where people go now, Lake of Fire is after Judgement Day.


56880a No.655678

>>655674

>What's more, in another video he says not to interpret Adam in Genesis as a literal figure, but rather he is a metaphor for the first "scientist".

If by scientist he's referring to the tree of knowledge then I understand what he would be getting at there. Man decides not to trust God and instead decides to investigate the gather knowledge about the world on his own, discovering evil through sheer disobedience in the process. It's a reasonable opinion, even if it's a wee bit heterodox. Making light of Fatima is another matter entirely, and it does sadden me to read such a comment. Nonetheless, I think it is worthwhile that we all read his most nuanced take on the matter.

https://www.wordonfire.org/resources/blog/remembering-hans-urs-von-balthasars-important-book/4620/


fb4f1f No.655679

>>655678

>If by scientist he's referring to the tree of knowledge then I understand what he would be getting at there. Man decides not to trust God and instead decides to investigate the gather knowledge about the world on his own, discovering evil through sheer disobedience in the process.

That can't be what he meant, because his reasoning behind Adam being a metaphor for a scientist is because Adam was the first to name God's creation. In Genesis, that happens before the fall, so there was no disobedience in him doing so.


56880a No.655680

>>655679

Could you find me the video so I could hear his own words on the matter?


fb4f1f No.655681

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>655680

At 5:52 he starts talking about Adam


56880a No.655683

>>655681

He isn't here stating that Adam is a metaphor for the first scientist. He is simply denying a literal reading, which is a perfectly reasonable interpretation, and extolling Adam in the perfect capacity that a perfect man would have had for rational thought, and shows where Genesis demonstrates this.


fb4f1f No.655684

>>655683

>He is simply denying a literal reading, which is a perfectly reasonable interpretation

But that's heresy…


9cef1f No.655685

>>655684

No, it's not. Allegorical interpretation of Genesis goes back to Augustine, probably even further.


fb4f1f No.655686

>>655685

No no, reading Genesis allegorically is fine, but stating that it shouldn't be read a literal historical, THAT is heresy.


56880a No.655687

>>655685

He said that Adam should not be read as a literal figure. That's it.


3c6baf No.655688

>>655685

>goes back to another heretic


56880a No.655690

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>>655688

>Augustine

>heretic


e9a901 No.655692

>>655677

isn't the lake of fire hell?


ecbaca No.655787

>>655441

catholic pedophile piece of shit

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170686 No.655866

>>655787

Simmer down buddy


8d3900 No.656066

>>655787

>catholic pedophile

Nothing wrong with that. tbh

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968f55 No.656210

>>655787

>all priests are pedos

fugg off


1791c3 No.656296

Everyone judges him solely from what he puts out on Youtube but he does a lot more than that. The Catholicism documentary series he did as a priest is really well put together.


ed4c47 No.660737

File: e545c779b62abad⋯.png (84.08 KB, 183x275, 183:275, jar fry 2.png)

>the shoal may not currently be occupied individual


2a3c8a No.660749

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>>655462

Dat visual pun


61885b No.660761

if everyone goes to heaven then i'm gonna get drunk and do some drugs tomorrow eff that


fab9d2 No.665949

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hoot hoot




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