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>>652845

>its idolatry

Even though the Quran forbids idols (espically pictures of the prophets)

>its satanic

Even though the Quran tells people to not lie, cheat, steal, rape, or commit murder. It quotes Jesus the most and calls Mary the Holiest woman. Calls out satan for his lies and trickery. Tells people to not force the religion on others…etc

Funny enough, the religion that creates the most idols and worships someone that didn't ask to be worshiped calls Islam idolatry.

Think about it this way OP. Muslims are unitarian while Christians are trinitarian. Muslims get their word directly from God like the jews did in the OT while Christians have to interpret four different gospels and the OT to try and understand what God has been telling them.

In all honesty OP, just go to the trini thread on /islam/ if you want a redpill. Comming here for the truth on islam is like asking the DNC to write a biography on Trump.

>>652882

…I think this is the longest post I've written here, but the first reply to OP (Jerusalem cross) was so terrible that I had to argument with my faith in a manner that isn't embarrassing.

>>652882

>Surah 2:87; 2:253….who is that Holy Spirit that God is referring to here?

Not him but Muslims think that was Archangel Gabriel, from what I know.

>>652828

The idea behind it is that Jesus wasn't the Messiah, he was a prophet, and muhammed was the last prophet.

There's a ton of completely wrong teachings in it, stuff that was common pagan beliefs and hearsay at the time.

It also has some principals that Christians would find very objectionable. Abrogation, that if later "revelations" conflict with earlier ones, the later ones take precedence. And that you can lie about the tenants if it would help to convert someone or if your life is at stake. There's a word for that one, but I can't remember it.

While Christians have Jesus as the example of behavior and life structure, islam uses muhammed, who was a bandit warlord that had eleven wives, thought he was possessed by demons at the beginning, and died because -get this- a jewish woman whose family he killed fed him a poisoned lamb.

Plus the whole bit about how he said the bible and the torah were true; how "people of the book" (us) are the worst among all peoples and to be subjugated and taxed 50%; how muhammed was "made victorious through terror;" and the whole 'satanic verses' bit.

>>652859

the board mole is here, I see.

>>652859

>It quotes Jesus the most and calls Mary the Holiest woman.

Using quotes derived from a document half a millenia divorced from his actual ministry, as opposed to multiple compilations of oral tradition who's theology is verified by a follower, Paul, who preached only a few years after.

>Funny enough, the religion that creates the most idols and worships someone that didn't ask to be worshiped calls Islam idolatry.

Your prophet cleared the idols out of the Kaaba and when a rock fell from the sky you put one back in, plus you deify your prophet far more than the ancient Israelite deified theirs. If you're going to criticize our practices then hold your own to the same standard.

faith to the same standards.

>Muslims are unitarian while Christians are trinitarian

If you can prove to me that you actually understand trinitarian theology then we can talk, because I've been through the trinity thread and their grasp on the subject is aggressively ignorant. Hell, the Quran thinks we believe that God is 1/3rd of the trinity, why would we trust a document that drops the ball on the subject that hard?

>Muslims get their word directly from God like the jews did in the OT.

So the old testament isn't a corruption now?

>while Christians have to interpret four different gospels and the OT to try and understand what God has been telling them.

And the proper interpretation has been preserved in the Church since the time of the apostles. God sets up the priesthood to preserve proper interpretation with the Israelites, and God in the flesh sets up the Church to preserve it with the rest of the world. What's your point?

Also please nobody shit on this guy and drive him away/deeper into his error. The Lord expects better of us.

>>652859

It also says jinns (traditional arabic ghosts or spirits) will fly out the toilet and up your bottom if you dont wipe your ass with an odd number of stones.

Quran =/= Islamic Bible. Instead of Christ being the Word of God. The Word of God is given in the Quran.

Muslims worship Quran and venerate Muhammad, in a similar way to how we Catholics worship Christ and veberate Mary.

Muslims also see themselves, not as the last iteration, but rather as the original worshippers of God.

Islam is the first WE WUZ pseudo-religion. It intended on giving the Arab people a greater feeling of biblical legitimacy and it’s bubbling up was mostly due to an inferiority complex felt living amongst Jews and Christians.

If you want to get to historical Islam, Muhammad might've had actual revelations by unknown entities or simply epileptic visions, which eventually he used for his own advantage by going as a street preacher. After gathering a small number of followers and marrying the daughters of extremely poor peasants due to being a Qurayish, he eventually gathered more followers when his conquests proved succesful, taxing 'people of the Book'. Due to avarice the followers multiplied because of the material and earthly gains they could get due to village plundering, murder, and rape. Life or death conversions also occured, ISIL style.

I remember there was this historical event where about 2.5k Jews were slaughtered, including the leader of a Jewish tribe. Muhammad took his daughter as a wife afterwards.

The god of islam isn't the same as the Abrahamic God either.

"allah is father to no one," instead muslims are his slaves.

>>652910

good shit.

http://www.harvardhouse.com/quran_purity.htm good read to give to Muslims

>>652910

I want to see this posted in /islam/ and try to see it refuted.

>>652884

We have IDs m8.

>>652890

Thanks anon. I think the word you're looking for is taqiyya.

Here's St. John of Damascus' take on it.

http://orthodoxinfo.com/general/stjohn_islam.aspx

>>652937

As a Lebanese, I would find St. John of Damascus' teachings more "accurate", so to speak.

>>652910

>So even though translators just translate "mushrikun" with "polytheists" in an attempt to make it look as if the quran is only talking about the arab pagan that Muhammed was fighting at the time, THE REAL MEANING is that every non-muslim, every infidel, must be killed.

They accuse us of being polytheists anyhow, just in case one of their own loses his stomach for endless murder.

>>652828

Keep in mind that Islam is contained within:

1) the biography of "Muhammad" (the "Sira")

2) the "Quran" (so-called eternal "word" of "allah") [yes, I deliberately left "allah" uncapitalized]. In truth the "Quran" is a collection of argumentative recitations in poetic form.

3) the "hadith"- a collection of third-party accounts of the words and deeds of the "prophet". The "sira" is the oldest collection.

Islam can be described as:

a) "Muhammad" + "allah"

b) The imitation of "Muhammad" (even in place of Christ, which is antichrist thinking) in following the "Quran" (in place of Scripture)

c) A Babylonian-style domineering theocracy of conquest

Refutations against Islam:

1) Why does the original direction of prayer (the "qibla") face Petra instead of Mecca for so many of the oldest mosques?

2) Why was Muhammad's "sira" compiled almost 200 years after his death?

3) Why is there no mention of "Muhammad", "Mecca", "Islam" or "Muslim" in any of the caliph protocols until the time of Abd Al-Malik, the caliph of the Umayyad Empire?

>>652828

Some good source info on Islam can be found on YouTube. Do a search on these people:

Jay Smith (he called into question the standard origins of Islam)

David Wood (exposes Islam)

Bill Warner (exposes the political side of Islam as directed against non-Muslims)

>>652828

Some people here think David Wood is a meme but I think he makes some useful videos

>>652828

the apostolic fathers believed that Jesus was more than a mere man and that paul was a true apostle and they were martyred together in rome ie: islam was dead from the get go if we are to believe them that jesus and his apostles was islamic, ebonites don't count since they rejected paul.