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This is unusually nice for /christian/. But I agree, let them know God's love through our actions

>>650635

I'm also in agreement.

Righties sometimes think a great war or purging is the answer, and I can understand their position, but really these blue-haired feminists are just lost little girls who never had real LOVE from a man. Same goes for the school shooters and gang members who almost always had absent/distant fathers. Our society is in DESPERATE NEED of real Christian LOVE.

Thanks for this, OP, it is a nice reminder as to how to live the Gospel.

>I didn't want to invite her off the bat to church, but I did want to speak to her again and just listen. That's it.

I am interested in how you handled this part, presumably by stating you are a Christian but not going so far as to specifically invite her to church. What did you say?

>>650641

Instead of asking her if she wanted to go to church, I asked if she'd like to talk again, and traded numbers with her.

>>650620

>I realized there's a lot I agreed with her on, including the detrimental impacts of inequality

What do you mean by this here?

>and sexualization of women in the workplace

Do you mean sexualization caused in the workplace due to women being added to it?

>Listen.

>That's all it takes

Has she been won to the Lord?

>The whole underlying LGBT issue is nothing more than another unsuccessful attempt to bandage a deep gash that many of these young adults haven't been able to fully accept. But that's where you and I come in - just listen.

Are you saying here to listen to sodomites? This is my honest question.

>>650640

>but really these blue-haired feminists are just lost little girls who never had real LOVE from a man. Same goes for the school shooters and gang members who almost always had absent/distant fathers. Our society is in DESPERATE NEED of real Christian LOVE.

That may indeed be true. But, what about the innocents they are harming? I stand for the innocent children also, who have not gone over into this. So should I just allow feminists and sodomites to do their heart's desire? Should we all turn a blind eye to the harm, in the name of "loving"? I genuinely submit that as shirking and cowardice in our age. It is giving this problem room which it doesn't deserve to fester and grow and letting the vulnerable pay the price.

>>650644

Neat, thank you very much.

>>650651

If they knew how much damage they were doing to themselves by rejecting God then they wouldn't do what they do. Since they don't have the knowledge that Christians do they literally don't know what they're doing. Luke 23:34.

You do nothing to them by hating them, you only destroy yourself and drive them and others further away from God. When you love you're not only fulfilling God's commandment, but they're also more likely to listen to what you have to say. When they see your love and inner peace they'll see that God abides in you.

>>650665

>If they knew how much damage they were doing to themselves by rejecting God then they wouldn't do what they do.

I'm more interested in bringing attention to the harm they are doing to others. Some people full well understand what they reject, others don't fully fathom it, but regardless Romans 1:20 tells us that they are all without excuse. You are agreeing that just passively listening and allowing is good, and downplaying the crimes they do rather than honestly confronting them. I cannot in good faith do the same. That is letting others pay the price.

>Since they don't have the knowledge that Christians do they literally don't know what they're doing.

2 Thessalonians 2:11-13

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

>Luke 23:34

John 18:9

That the saying might be fulfilled, which he spake, Of them which thou gavest me have I lost none.

>You do nothing to them by hating them, you only destroy yourself and drive them and others further away from God.

What's interesting is that's not the case at all. That is the philosophy of the world. The philosophy of the Hollywood movies and popularity preaching and the like, but not of Scripture.

You can't love all things and be loving. That is a seductive teaching of falsehood. The Scripture states that there is a time for love and a time to hate. And if I place equal value on all things, then I value nothing and cannot esteem anything as higher than anything else, when in reality glory does belong to God and not man. So then man can't trample on God.

The wicked people may reject the truth of God's word regardless of all effort, but in the process of that others will see it being held up.

John 15:20

Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

>but they're also more likely to listen to what you have to say.

See above.

>When they see your love and inner peace they'll see that God abides in you.

Love one to another. It isn't loving to allow sodomite to run rampant in your church. That's why nobody takes these so-called churches seriously that do this, they see that the members do not even care one for another to stop the adultery and sodomy

>>650651

>Are you saying here to listen to sodomites?

Not OP, but yes, that's the Christian thing to do. Remember, we once were lost like them, but were found. What OP is advocating is not accepting sodomy, but helping sad, broken people realize that they're broken and are addicted to sin as part of their effort to distract themselves from their brokenness and pain. A faggot isn't just a faggot because he likes dick, there's a deep-seated psychological reason he likes dick, and the sooner he recognizes that psychological issue, the sooner he can confront it and understand his brokenness in full, at which point the Holy Spirit could act to bring him to repentance.

After all, was Paul not once Saul, who aggressively hunted down Christians to torment, imprison, and kill them? And yet, was Paul not transformed into one of our greatest saints? Is a murderer worse than a sodomite? And what of the Corinthians, with their temple prostitution? Were they not also saved, and taught to repent from their old ways and turn to the Lord?

>>650640

>Righties sometimes think a great war or purging is the answer

It's not THE answer, it's AN answer. They're right in that a mass genocide would certainly cleanse our society of sodomites and other such sinners, but this is doing evil so that good may result. Do not repay evil with evil, but repay evil with good, so that you heap burning coals on their head. And did the Lord not tell us that the wheat and the chaff must be grown together, before the harvest at which they are separated? Christianity did not originally spread by the sword, it spread by hardworking men who traveled far from home to share the Good News with sinners. All God needed was 12 men. There are more than 12 of us here.

>>650702

I'm simply telling you to love as God commands, not tolerate wickedness.

I'll elaborate: I fully support anti-sodomy laws, patriarchy, and other "bigoted" positions, but I have no hate in my heart for other human beings. Does that make sense? It's not the false "love" of leftists, but the true love of God.

>>650711

>I'm simply telling you to love as God commands,

Alright, good.

>but I have no hate in my heart for other human beings.

Thing is I can't regard sodomites as human beings. God himself directly calls them dogs in scripture, and in other passages certain kinds of wicked people are stated to be brute beasts. I don't care how politically incorrect this is. It is found in a consistent manner in Scripture, which is a consistent testimony against this world. "Without are dogs."

>It's not the false "love" of leftists, but the true love of God.

I'm glad to hear that. But you realize that a servant is to hate and abhor God's enemies even as God does? Like I explained before, if you don't follow in that, then that simply diminishes the value of God. It doesn't help anybody.

Psalm 11:5

>The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.

Hosea 9:15

>All their wickedness is in Gilgal: for there I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house, I will love them no more: all their princes are revolters.

2 Chronicles 19:2

>And Jehu the son of Hanani the seer went out to meet him, and said to king Jehoshaphat, Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the LORD? therefore is wrath upon thee from before the LORD.

John 12:37-40

>But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him:

>That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed?

>Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again, He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

1 Thess. 2:15-16

>Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:

>Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.

>>650718

People without God are as animals are and follow their base instincts, I agree. But are we then to hate animals? That hardly seems right.

To hate you must hate as God hates, perfectly. Meaning it must be free of human and sinful passions like anger. It must be dispassionate, meaning your entire being is against whatever evil you hate, but you are not moved to emotions or controlled by it because you're filled with God's love which is also perfect and that is your motivation.

>>650724

>To hate you must hate as God hates, perfectly.

I guess you have read Psalm 139 already. But recall as well that the word of God says "Be ye angry, and sin not."

Do I sound like a generally wrathful person?

>>650729

Your anger must be perfect like God's anger, righteous and dispassionate.

>Do I sound like a generally wrathful person?

I don't know you personally. Do you have a problem with anger?

>>650718

The bible also has a lot of choice words for prostitutes and divorced women but Jesus still hung out with them, loved themto, and talked to them when no one else would. Go read the story in the Gospel of the woman at the well who had seven husbands again.

>>650742

Prostitutes and adulterers may have sinned gravely, but yet that doesn't necessarily make them the enemies of God.

>>650640

100% of school shooters and most gang members are also drugged up on anesthetics - drugs are used to fill the void as well

Water the grass that is still green. These people hate Christianity and truth itself. Evangelize to normal people instead and you'll save more souls.