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For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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9d83cd No.650423

Why didn't God protect him?

cb6fef No.650440

>>650423

Why is OP from 4chan?


7835ce No.650514

>>650440

Why don't you answer my question?


3dd538 No.650520

File: ebc1f9a5b73fa9b⋯.jpg (15.1 KB, 255x188, 255:188, ebc1f9a5b73fa9b016453c0919….jpg)

>one line OP


1c70d8 No.650530

File: 75fdd2aad052071⋯.jpg (243.2 KB, 800x1200, 2:3, 800px-Muenster_Lamberti_Ko….jpg)

>This triggers the Täufer


d16a03 No.650533

>>650423

The same reason the apostles were martyred? Their reward will be in heaven.


4c3685 No.650546

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32e329 No.650908

Because he was a false prophet possessed by the spirit of Cain and served as a prototype of the Antichrist.


c21897 No.651242

>>650423

Because he just didn't want to.


13beef No.651312

>>650423

who dat


657751 No.651941

>>651312

You know the expression "balls to the walls"? Doesn't come from him but it should.


657751 No.651945

>>651941

Serious answer:

Can't really do the story justice, but he was a false prophet and the big figure in the Radical Anabaptist movement in the 16th century. He was a baker from Holland. He claimed to hear the voice of God constantly and conversed openly. He dressed all in black and had a beautiful wife half his age who dressed all in white. The Anabaptists started migrating to a city in Germany called Munster and eventually voted themselves into power over the city council. They decided that the end of the world had come and sent out word for every Anabaptist in Europe to gather there, including this dude, so they could build the New Jerusalem and set forth to conquer the world. They started kicking out everyone else from Munster, burned all the books except the Bible, took all the doors off their hinges, started killing anyone who dissented, and declared war against the local Prince-Bishop, who besieged the city. This guy rode out naked on a horse to meet the bishop's army alone. (Actually had a 12 man bodyguard but whatever.) The army butchered him and nailed his junk to the city gate. A handsome tailor took over the city as king and turned the place into a dress rehearsal for the Society Union and Nazi Germany but with forced polygamy, and led the people to temporary victory against the bishop's army when they breached the walls, who retreated and built a second wall around the city, and the space between the two walls soon filled with starving people trying to escape the city but already under a death sentence for heresy. Eventually the Prince-Bishop succeeded in retaking the city, everyone inside was slaughtered, and the three surviving leaders were captured and met much worse ends than the baker prophet. He's the reason why denominations descended from the Anabaptists are today mostly pacifists or law-abiding.


2b4d6e No.652101

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0df4b8 No.655156

bumpo


3b5ce3 No.655166

Why can't we protect us from ourselves?

The providence of God is in Heaven. Grace allows us to benefit and harm ourselves. The omnipotence of God is unknown among us. When anyone suffers, or anyone triumphs, it could be simply because God sought to punish or reward; because the way we use our authority allows us to reap what we sow.

Prithee it never kills us.


7d9102 No.655306

>>650533

I'm not sure if this guy is in heaven.


00d542 No.655327

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>>651945

>He's the reason why denominations descended from the Anabaptists are today mostly pacifists or law-abiding.

Thanks for the lesson. No wonder the anabaptists were heavily disliked in general, not just because of theology.


44fbbc No.655422

>>651945

>He's the reason why denominations descended from the Anabaptists are today mostly pacifists or law-abiding.

There are so many things wrong with this sentence, it's actually impressive.


3e60be No.655454

>>655422

The failure of the Munster Rebellion and subsequent persecutions destroyed the radical wing of the Anabaptist movement. Surviving decendant groups of Anabaptism today like the Amish follow pacifism.


44fbbc No.655508

>>655454

Alright, first of all, the progressive radicals were led by a wolf called Bernhard Rothmann. This guy was at first literally a trained Catholic. On January 23 1532 he was a Lutheran. On August 10 1532, Rothmann took over the Munster churches for the first time, and this time he was now against Luther and for Zwingli. On May 6 1533 Rothmann changed his view again, after some other political rabblerousers entered and set up camp in the city. It is by Rothmann that all of this happened, and he was a chameleon who was first Catholic, then he was Lutheran, then pedo-baptist Protestant, then Credobaptist all in the span of a few months.

Second, churches administering baptism correctly isn't a "movement." It's always been done. Third, churches that baptize correctly don't spawn denominations, which are by nature political movements; fourth, Anabaptist was originally a derogatory term used by pedo-baptist heretics back in the 5th century or earlier, it was not originally the name of a denomination of baptists.

Fifth, the mennonites at that time were an unrelated and earlier group of actual churches in Switzerland in the 1520s that were pacifist, and their confession was not influenced by the Munster rebellion, nor do the two historically have any connection except for being political offshoots. There existed many churches already practicing these things throughout Switzerland, Holland, Germany, England and Wales that predate both, and neither of these two historically late offshoots define the church. And lastly, being pacifist and being law-abiding are two different things.


2ead3b No.655514

>>655508

>Churches that baptise correctly don't spawn schicnatics

So I guess all Baptists and the 300000 types of protestant are all invalid churches? *As a Catholic, their baptisms are considered valid.**

You didn't think that through. Did you?


6e2cb2 No.655517

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>>655508

>This much historical revisionism and mental gymnastics

You are either a brainlet baptist who believes in the Trail of Blood LARP, or a troll.

Either way, pic related.


6df987 No.655521

>>655327

>In August 1536 the leaders of Anabaptist groups influenced by Melchior Hoffman met in Bocholt in an attempt to maintain unity. The meeting included followers of Batenburg, survivors of Münster, David Joris and his sympathisers, and the nonresistant Anabaptists.[3] At this meeting the major areas of dispute between the sects were polygamous marriage and the use of force against non-believers. Joris proposed compromise by declaring the time had not yet come to fight against the authorities, and that it would be unwise to kill any non-Anabaptists. The gathered Anabaptists agreed to the compromise of no more force

>Ok, can we atleast agree to postpone the massacre of infidels until we have more political power again?

>Agreed


6e2cb2 No.655524

>>655521

Is this why the Amish are so snooty and rude to non-amish (Or as they call them, English)?


44fbbc No.655525

>>655524

I'm pretty sure the "aesthetic" clothing and deliberate air of distinction they put on is out of pride, and for the purpose of intentionally standing out in the crowd. No different than the age-old "man of the cloth" meme.


6e2cb2 No.655583

>>655525

I have to agree. Their entire "shun family who aren't Amish" is quite horrific, and just screams cult.

Speaking of that false prophet… Why is it that every false prophet that comes up seems to demand Polygamy? Mohammed, the Anabaptist prophets, the Mormon prophet… They all call for polygamy.


6df987 No.655750

>>655583

>Why is it that every false prophet that comes up seems to demand Polygamy?

Muh dick.


3e60be No.655778

>>655508

>opinions

OK. Agree to disagree.


3e60be No.655782

>>655583

Satan needs to throw the false prophet some kind of bone. The entire world would be under Islam right now if Muslims didn't practice polygamy. Huge masses of unmarried young men are a great way to destroy and retard a civilization.


cdc0f2 No.655948

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>>655782

>The entire world would be Muslim if Mohammed didn't practice polygamy

Excuse me what?


44fbbc No.656092

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76a17c No.656178

>>655948

Polygamy led to the decline and fall of the various Muslim empires and is a huge part of the reason why Muslim countries remain backwaters to this day. If Muslims practiced monogamy they would have taken over the world.

>>656092

Everything you said is debatable, based on premises that I do not share. That is to say, opinions. This post accomplishes nothing. Agree to disagree.


c0691d No.656195

>>656178

>If muslims practices Monogamy they'd rule the world

No, they wouldn't. They will not prevail againts the church.


76a17c No.656199

>>656195

lol you think the church rules the world?


cb6fef No.656203

>>656199

>current year

>not accepting the cool pope as your supreme leader

Why even live?




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