/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

1 timothy 1:4

>Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

>>648277

Not OP but what did you want to imply with this verse?

>>648347

OP probably wants to learn koine greek to study the endless geneaglogies of manuscript families, rather then godly edifying which is in the faith. OP if you have concerns about which versions are true or false, use the KJV as it is the only version I am aware of that doesn't make God a liar if it were true, which it is true. If you have more questions about why your preacher quotes the (((greek and hebrew/babylonian))) then ask specific questions about it.

>>648354

King James was prolly a homosexual

And why do you think Textus Receptus is the only true text?

t. not cathodox nor protestant

>>648363

>King James was prolly a homosexual

Paul was probably a murderer, what's your point?

>And why do you think Textus Receptus is the only true text?

I didn't even say that, there are certain manuscripts of the textus receptus that would also make God a liar if they were true. I said the KJV because it is the only version I am aware of that wouldn't make God a liar titus 1:2 if it were true, which it is true. I mention "a liar" because by their fruits ye shall know them in matthew 7:15-20, and because of matthew 12:33 you either make the tree good and his fruit good or make the tree corrupt and his fruit corrupt, for the tree is known by his fruits. God's fruit would be good since God is the only one good in matthew 19. Therefore God's good fruit of not lieing would be signifigant in the fruit of these men's work, if they were moved by the Holy Ghost 2 peter 1:20-21, since all scripture is inspired by God 2 timothy 3:16, to write the word of God. Especially since all translators of any version claim to be speaking by the spirit of prophecy by testifying of Jesus Christ in revelation 19:10.

>>648363

God said his word would endure to every generation. So either you believe that or you decide to reject it, but don't pretend to believe it when you don't, that is the one thing which is dishonest.

>>648264

It's a tricky matter. Greeks don't study it as an individual language since they can somewhat understand the meaning of a passage written in koine.

But for a foreigner it's a pain in the ass for even if he learned Greek, he wouldn't be able to read in koine since it's not his mother tongue.

Maybe some theology studdies will have koine lessons? You'll have to study Greek language as a whole to understand it imo.

>>648373

So it's kind of like someone from Greece trying to learn King James-era English specifically?

>>648370

>God said his word would endure to every generation

You do know that there was no TR for 1500 years? .

>>648382

>implying the word of God is not inspired and not only written down by men as the Holy Ghost moves them

>implying God can't inspire men to write down His word that aren't the original prophets

>implying the KJV authors are liars about having the spirit of prophecy/testimony of Jesus Christ

<You do know that there was no TR for 1500 years? .

The word of God still existed in other forms. Maybe not the textus receptus family of manuscripts specifically, but the word of the Lord endureth forever 1 peter 1:25.

>>648377

You can say it's kinda like that, but a little bit more difficult since some words stayed the same but now have a different meaning (eg: the word "diaskedazo" in new Greek means "i'm having fun" but in keine it means "i destroy/dissolve" so there can be various misconceptions)

>>648388

>>648388

>implying the word of God is not inspired and not only written down by men as the Holy Ghost moves them

Where did I do that?

>implying God can't inspire men to write down His word that aren't the original prophets

Where did I do that?

>implying the KJV authors are liars about having the spirit of prophecy/testimony of Jesus Christ

Where did I do that? Fact that there are by the reason of thm being anglicans is and that themselves denial that their version of Bible is the only true one is another thing

>The word of God still existed in other forms. Maybe not the textus receptus family of manuscripts specifically, but the word of the Lord endureth forever 1 peter 1:25.

And from this how to you make the jump to claiming that TR is the true version of Gospel? And then another jump to claiming that KJV is faithful translation of TR even though it makes obvious mistranslations to uphold anglican dogmas?

>>648264

Since no one has actually answered your question:

http://www.cambridge.org/gb/academic/subjects/religion/biblical-studies-new-testament/elements-new-testament-greek-3rd-edition?format=PB&isbn=9780521755511

My gf started studying NT Greek this year, and this is the textbook she was told to use by our university. I have since bought my own copy to use, and I can attest to its value.It breaks everything down by chapter, with exercises, vocab lists etc. If you were to dedicate enough time to it, you could probably learn all 600 words (which is about 90% of the NT) and all the necessary grammar in about six months. It's a lot easier to do if you have someone to go through all the pronunciations with, so it comes through with an audio CD too.

>>648277

How fascinating that you can invert learning the language of an original sacred text as bad.

Unironically satanism.

>>648354

>I pretend to know about translations when I only know English.