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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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67c618 No.646372

To clear it out of the way, I'm a deist and I have no idea whatsoever about Christian theology, creed, etc. except the basics that everyone associates it with.

Let's say some savage tribe finds a bible that happens to be in their language, either because they speak some language that the bible has a translation into or either because some long lost member translated the bible into their language and lost it in the jungle after he tried to return from civilization. They never had contact with the outside world and know nothing of it or of Christianity. Upon reading the bible (Old and New Testaments) the entire tribe is awestruck and converts to Christianity. Years pass, and three jolly men (pic related) appear on the outskirts of the village. The tribe's leader approaches them and tells them of their bible, the men are delighted, but become irritated when the chief continues to tell of their own interpretation and practice. Each of the men now tries to convince the villagers that their theological interpretation is the correct one.

So what I'm basically getting at is would you consider this particular interpretation valid? That is, an interpretation of the bible that is completely detached from any mainstream current of Christianity, and was honed under its own social conditions. Why should the savages believe any of these men telling them to follow them? They could just as reasonably conclude that it's an attempt by the devil to make them stray from their faith.

But let's say that the chief is convinced that his people's interpretation of the bible and practices of faith are wrong. In that case, having no knowledge whatsoever of the outside world, which Christian denomination could he possibly deduce to be the right one?

99411b No.646377

Ortho crew first post


b7d019 No.646378

>>646372

The tribe would be indistinguishable from random "bible" belt protestants who have only ever known what their ignorant "pastors" make up as they go along


67c618 No.646379

>>646378

would that condemn them?

Also I wouldn't compare them to that, these people come in contact with the bible while in contact of the rest of the world, with preconceived notions of faith from some long dead minister. The tribe would be quite distinct.


b7d019 No.646386

>>646379

You underestimate the level of isolation a small community can reach, even in a western nation, both out of distance and out of lack of interest.


67c618 No.646391

>>646386

So you're saying that given no intellectual rigor or contact, the interpretation of the bible would be like that of Protestants in the south?

I suppose that's possible, but I wouldn't apply it to every situation. I mean, the folk you're talking about interpret the bible literally to the letter and the ambiguous parts interpret as whatever is politically convenient, (right?) but why would the same sort of interpretations happen with the tribe? What if the tribe's concepts are completely alien to anything Western, so even the preconceived ideas aren't the same and thus develop differently.


5771f7 No.646392

>>646372

winnie the pooh'em all. Jesus is your buddy.


b7d019 No.646396

>>646391

I think a divergence factor would be the tribe's lack of taught hatred for the Church


29089f No.646408

>>646372

>So what I'm basically getting at is would you consider this particular interpretation valid?

Yes, unless it makes God a liar if it were true titus 1:2 or more specifically these men are lieing and not of God. Then why not consider it?

>But let's say that the chief is convinced that his people's interpretation of the bible and practices of faith are wrong. In that case, having no knowledge whatsoever of the outside world, which Christian denomination could he possibly deduce to be the right one?

None of them, because he would then read 1 corinthians 3:4-7 in whatever language he has it in.

>For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?

>Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?

>I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.

>So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

And then conclude that they rather should 1 corinthians 1:12-13

>Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.

>Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

Saying, I am of Christ, rather then

<I am of paul

<I am of the pope

<I am of luther

<I am of (insert denomination/carnal leader here)

/thread

>>646378

That case would only be if they didn't actually believe what was written down in the Bible. OR the interpretation/version they were using would not be of God.

Also this >>646396


6e517e No.646517

>>646377

fpbp

>the sky is blue, says the man

>no, it is pink, says the fool

>both of you have the same authority on this measure, says the insane.

There's a saying that the devil can only count to two. For the devil there's only the man and the desert. But for God the trinity, there's the man, the desert and the camel that lets the man pass. The number 3 is a camel's back for this reason.

In Scripture, there's the mind of the man, the Bible and the mind of the writer. Take the writer out of the equation and it all falls apart from Godliness to materialism. This is why protestants can't seem to grasp interpretation or symbolism.

Realize the lack of trinity in ungodly thought in your daily life.

>We must have equality (1) for the people (2)

There's a 3rd one missing, and it is the context, as always: To do what with (3) ?


63a94d No.646609

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>>646372

>Each of the men now tries to convince the villagers that their theological interpretation is the correct one.

Welcome to Christianity, 2018, edition.

We tend to forget that Early Christianity – heresies aside – was a VERY diverse place, and I am certain there were a lot of theological variations because no one had yet nailed things down except the Christ and the Apostles themselves. So, you'd have a fair amount of room for disagreements.

The difference to today is that back then they still loved each other despite their differences. I think our enormity, the vastness in population of each of our sects makes us less apt to love each other because we don't have to. Our respective communities are large enough to sustain themselves, so why bother. Back then, they were persecuted tiny minorities. That you ate temple meat and I considered it haram was not a barrier to me hiding you from the Jews or Romans. I still considered you Christ's own. And even when you weren't fleeing, I still loved you.

I think our world dominance has made us neglect this.

The counterpoint to this is that Christ warned us that in the last days deceivers would come, and warned us not to be deceived, so in our vigilance against being deceived we're looking askance at those who believe and practise differently to us wondering whether these are the ones the Lord warned us about, or was it just the Mormons.


18e75a No.646612

>>646372

>thought experiment

Never listen to these


fb28ff No.646615

The Bible was never intended to be the sole spokesman of Christianity. The Apostles were. The Bible is the abridged version of the Church that the Apostles created. It's the difference between speaking with an expert on the subject and reading a book he wrote. While the book may be very good and not contain any errors, you can't question the book if you have a question and get any answers other than your own feeble guesses. Also, a reader may think he knows what the author is saying, but because he's a layman and not an expert in the field, his understanding of what has been written may be erroneous. If you sit down with the author, not only can he explain the parts that were confusing in different ways, but he can also tell you about things that he never wrote down in his book.


63a94d No.646620

>>646615

>my particularly apostolic church's interpretation is straight from the Apostles – not through thousands of ecclesiasts that followed much less through some mere book – which makes it the purest form, rather than all you heretics and half-breeds


2c2443 No.646713

>>646612

This.

>if you could fly and breath sphagetti instead of air would you-

Always a waste of time.


67c618 No.646752

>>646612

>dismissing things because they're theoretical

>>646713

>absurd comparison

Can you two at least try to process what I wrote?




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