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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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144820 No.646121

Why God in OT commanded Israelites to genocide these wicked tribes when he could do it himself like he did with Sodom and Gomorrah? These tribes deserved to die, there is no doubt about it, but why it had to be this way? Killing people is heavy on human mind no matter how justified and righteous it could be. These Israelites executing Gods commands had to suffer PTSD we cant even imagine from all this violence they had to do.

b8d248 No.646124

>>646121

To show them firsthand the consequences of sin. Remember that they were on the receiving end of it a few centuries later.


0268e4 No.646128

>>646121

Because if they wouldn't, they would end up as degenerate as them. Also let's not forget the reasons that are listed in Leviticus for extermination, such as child sacrifices, incest, bestiality, sacred prostitution and so on and so forth.


10357b No.646137

Let's all stop pretending we can know God's heart


b0a692 No.646147

>>646137

>YOU CAN'T KNOW

As if we aren't explicitly told why, as >>646128 pointed out.


144820 No.646151

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>>646128

But isnt taking vengeance against the Word of God? Lets see:

Leviticus 19:18

'You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the sons of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself; I am the LORD.

Deuteronomy 32:35

'Vengeance is Mine, and retribution, In due time their foot will slip; For the day of their calamity is near, And the impending things are hastening upon them.'

Proverbs 20:22

Do not say, "I will repay evil"; Wait for the LORD, and He will save you.

Proverbs 24:29

Do not say, "Thus I shall do to him as he has done to me; I will render to the man according to his work."

Romans 12:17

Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Carefully consider what is right in the eyes of everybody.

>>646137

This is my biggest obstacle in my path to holiness. We truly have no idea who God is and how he think. We only hope that he will have mercy with us and thats why we struggle every day in this terrible, terrible world to keep Gods commandments. Also, what Jesus meant by pic related?


34d0f6 No.646158

What on Earth is sacred prostitution?


d65ee0 No.646161

>>646151

These are valid under certain conditions. God for example told us to follow our rulers, but Mary and Joseph for example fled to Egypt to escape King Herod's sinful judgement.

God's word is his final authority. When he told the Israelites to commit genocide, it would have been more sinful for them not to have done so.


0268e4 No.646163

>>646158

Tl;Dr: Sacred prostitution is a term for certain rituals in pagan religions that involve sexual acts (not always heterosexual and sometimes even involved bestiality). They are usually connected to fertility rites and certain form of fetishism of animals, who were thought to be representatives of gods.


94edd5 No.646177

>>646121

>why did God genocide the wicked sodomites and child sacrificers?

Because they were wicked. And techinally the ancient Isrealites never did follow God's law to the 't' as many Isrealites gave these wicked people mercy. What followed afterwards was a slow but deliberate subversion of the souls of Israel. Which eventually lead to Jeremiah giving the Isrealites the bad news about their inevitable re-enslavement.


05ca08 No.646179

That was done in the Old Testament to set up what we see today. That is the conflict between Israel and surrounding countries. And why you ask. This is to bring to light the promise God has made to His people (all people who believe and follow His son Jesus as Lord and Savior).


85af03 No.646194

>>646177 (Checked)

Based post


97e6ff No.646388

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>>646151

When Christ came to bear everyones suffering, that suffering included the dreadful feeling of Gods absence. Naturally God never truly abandoned him (considering He Himself is God), but the "black grace" of Gods silence was felt by Christs human nature, as we do in our own lives. By referencing Psalm 22 in his true human agony and suffering, he not only again cements the prophecy of his coming, but fulfills completely his fellowship with us by sharing in one of the worst feelings the soul can endure - thus his confirmation right after with

>It is finished

also its super metal


41b71d No.646406

>>646401

I don't get it?


de5c08 No.646413

>>646401

>>646407

>solve a problem he caused

Didn't know Adam and Eve were part of the Trinity.

>by being omniscient,

Lrn2Molinism/Via media

>everything is for his ego

Of course it is, dummy. Psalm 148 perfectly encapsulates this.

Damn it, can't you just learn some theology and try to look like you know whatyou are talking about?


d112f8 No.646415

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>>646407

>God came to solve a problem he caused

>What is free will

>everything is for his ego

>Infinite, self-sufficient being needs something

>this level of biblical illiteracy


c48cf0 No.646419

What exactly is so wrong about Child Sacrifice again? Didn't God order Abraham to do it?


d112f8 No.646421

>>646417

>Free will is an excuse, he knows the choice before it happens or he is not all-knowing

Your reddit tier understanding of free will and time relations strikes again. First of all, God is outside time-space. He is always all-time present. Second of all, if one knows what will happen, doesnt mean anything for a free will. If you rewatch movie several times, you dont actually force or even influence actors that participate in them actors did it themselves, even if you financed the filmmaking.


de5c08 No.646422

>>646417

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molinism

>>>/reddit/

>>646419

Because besides the immorality of the practise itself, it was done for the benefit of demons.

The point of the Abraham story isn't just about the man being tested on his faith, but serves as a type of the Passion.

>The Father commands the Son to take up wood to a hill to be sacrificed as a sin-offering, which the Son adheres to with holy obedience

The point that is missed is that Abraham didn't go that far because he didn't need to.


e818b2 No.646423

>>646121

>Why God in OT commanded Israelites to genocide these wicked tribes when he could do it himself like he did with Sodom and Gomorrah?

Who you serve is who you worship matthew 4:8-10 and by extension glorify 1 corinthians 1:31. The israelites, as part of the espoused chaste virgins to Christ 2 corinthians 11:2, were taking the name of their husband, God, and by extension doing His will by serving Him like a wife serves a husband. Thereby God gets the glory when they obeyed Him. So it technically is like if God Himself killed those people as God gets the glory IF those Christians were acting in His name as a espoused chaste virgin to Christ. Just like a wife is said to be doing what Her husband says and her husband gets the glory for her being a good housewife/insert action here. This is like how authority works, who you serve is who you worship. Don't take authority/marry from Satan to serve/worship/glorify the Devil. But rather do/take on the name of Jesus in marriage and serve/worship/glorify Him.

Remember 1 corinthians 7:19

>Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

>>646415

revelation 4:11

>Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

You were saying?


d112f8 No.646427

646423

I'm not going to give a (you) to hafizposting moron, but I'll point out that this verse means that God made Creation, because he wanted so and is translated so in the English bibles, as well as in bible n my language.

http://biblehub.com/revelation/4-11.htm


b8c7cb No.646433

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10357b No.646440

>>646433

>Do not allow that law to seem harsh to you while thinking the gospel is different. It was that law that would bring benefit to them at the time.

Literally heresy


b8c7cb No.646446

>>646440

Where?


d112f8 No.646449

>>646442

>A movie is scripted and never changes, the very same thing is this creation

Do you even know what analogy is? or are you so literal in everything? No analogy is perfect, I used movie analogy for that specific example

God set the stage, but we are the screenwriters and actors.

>>646445

>WAAAAAAAAH, WHY DO PEOPLE USE FREE WILL WRONG?

so you rather prefer to be like animals, preprogramed with mere basic instincts and nothing more and act as a robot? Because this is what you are advocating for. Dont blame the Creator if His creation uses free will wrong way. Especially since those who would fell, knew the results that it would bring.


25106e No.646450

>>646446

He probably buy into "Law vs. Gospel" and "Work covenant" heresies himself and project it unto faith.


d112f8 No.646451

>>646450

>He probably…

>I cant read what is written: the post


e818b2 No.646452

>>646446

You are both wrong, what that picture is talking about aren't true laws, but rather are hebrews 9:19

>For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,

They are leveticus 18:4

>Ye shall do my judgments, and keep mine ordinances, to walk therein: I am the LORD your God.

The actual law(s) are recorded in romans 7:25, the law of sin/romans 6:23 and the law of God/faith/romans 3:26-27


d112f8 No.646456

>>646453

Oh, good Lord, Whats even the point of your post? Yes, I know that God is omniscient and knows the future, since he is outside time-space and there is no need to use logic to post WHAT WE ALREADY KNOW.

I am writing one thing, and you are reading it as totally different. This is just reddit tier of reading comprehension.


d112f8 No.646459

>>646458

Oh, good Lord, we are back to stage one. NO, the fact that he knows all, doesnt mean that we dont decide on our volition. It is you who make the decision, it is you that out of all possible realities, choose that exact one to be real. WE ARE THE ONES WHO WRITE THE SCRIPT.


e818b2 No.646462

>>646458

We can choose to disobey God though. Even if God already "knows" what our choice will be or won't be or the outcome of that choice we still have that choice to obey or disobey God. God doesn't want us to perish ezekiel 18:21,23,32

>But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.

>Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD:and not that he should return from his ways, and live?

>For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the

Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.

So turn to the Lord GOD, and live.


25106e No.646463

>>646451

Explain then.

>>646446

>You are both wrong, what that picture is talking about aren't true laws, but rather are hebrews 9:19

You are wrong. Saint crealy speaks about true law, for even thoug law of moses was not perfect, it was still true.

>The actual law(s) are recorded in romans 7:25, the law of sin/romans 6:23 and the law of God/faith/romans 3:26-27

Ah you are the guy who claim that God is irrational. Then to repet:

>Law of sin is not law but indication to that is in flesh due the original sin. Read Romans 7

>Romans 6:23 is not speaking about "law of sin" but about fact that sin lead to death - sin of Adam to corporal death and any mortal sin to death of soul

>Romans 3:26-27 is about natural law

>>646457

I know for a fact that everytime we discuss omniscience and foreknowledge of God there will be at least one reatard who would claim that it means that we have no free will.

Did my forknowlage caused you to be a retard?

It is written (Sirach 15:14): "God made man from the beginning, and left him in the hand of his own counsel" therefore Man has free-will: otherwise counsels, exhortations, commands, prohibitions, rewards, and punishments would be in vain.

In order to make this evident, we must observe that some things act without judgment; as a stone moves downwards; and in like manner all things which lack knowledge. And some act from judgment, but not a free judgment; as brute animals. For the sheep, seeing the wolf, judges it a thing to be shunned, from a natural and not a free judgment, because it judges, not from reason, but from natural instinct. And the same thing is to be said of any judgment of brute animals.

But man acts from judgment, because by his apprehensive power he judges that something should be avoided or sought. But because this judgment, in the case of some particular act, is not from a natural instinct, but from some act of comparison in the reason, therefore he acts from free judgment and retains the power of being inclined to various things. For reason in contingent matters may follow opposite courses, as we see in dialectic syllogisms and rhetorical arguments. Now particular operations are contingent, and therefore in such matters the judgment of reason may follow opposite courses, and is not determinate to one. And forasmuch as man is rational is it necessary that man have a free-will.


d112f8 No.646466

>>646461

Did you fail logics class? How does the fact that we write the script, contradicts the statement, that he knows the script? These two points dont even connect.

And how does the fact, that he knows that outcome, contradicts the fact, that it was you who made the decision in the first place? IT DOESNT. It is is still you that chooses which reality to be true, God knows, but you are the one that is taking the decision. It is still your will that is working here.

At this point I see absolutely no point to continue our conversation. You fail even the basics of logics and cant even choose two points to connect to eachother. Ths is just moving in pointless circles


2454cf No.646467

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e818b2 No.646469

>>646463

>You are wrong. Saint crealy speaks about true law, for even thoug law of moses was not perfect, it was still true.

<law of moses

Did you not read hebrews 9:19? Those are "precepts according to the law" and not the law itself. Those precepts are of the law, just like the law is of moses. But is not moses himself. Those precepts are not the law, neither is moses the law. There are "OF" the law of sin.

<Romans 6:23 is not speaking about "law of sin" but about fact that sin lead to death - sin of Adam to corporal death and any mortal sin to death of soul

Indeed it doesn't mention the law of sin directly. It mentions its affect, the wages of sin are death. Did you not read romans 7:25? It mentions the biblical law(s)

>I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

<Romans 3:26-27 is about natural law

Wrong again, you didn't read the verses again

>To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

>Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

Romans 3:26-27 is about the law of faith/God, not this "natural law" bullshit you keep spouting that isn't biblical. The verse in romans 3:26 claifies this "law of faith" that the "boasting" "it is excluded" "but by the law of faith" Of which boasting would be romans 3:31

>Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Faith in Jesus Christ is a law to itself, the law of God, or the law of faith.

I only mentioned those verses in the manner I did because if you had bothered to read them, you would see the definition of biblical law(s). And not the commandments/precepts/ordiances according to the law.


d112f8 No.646472

>>646468

my last reply to (you)

>He knows what you will write as well, because he is omniscient.

Yes, what WE WILL WRITE, WITH OUR FREE WILL. This is our choice that we do this or do not. You are deciding, you are writing and omniscience doesnt mean that it isnt you who is making the choice.

>He is the cause of you if he is the creator of all things.

And yet again, you try to apply human logic to the divine, without even comprehending that human logic. Yes, He is my cause, but He granted me free will to decide. The fact that I was made by Him, doesnt mean that I am a puppet. He made me from nothing and gave me free will to decide. And if you will say that Omnipotent God cant make beings with free will, then there is literally nothing to talk about.

Now I have to go, I have to sleep for tomorrow lectures and yet here I am on 4AM arguing with someone who failed his logics class.


11161d No.646473

>>646445

He did, indeed, know all of the choices people would make, but if prevented them from acting on those choices free will would have no meaning. It would be a joke.


e818b2 No.646476

>>646472

In addedum 1 samuel 15:22-23

>And Samuel said, Hath the LORDas great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.

>For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD,he hath also rejected thee from being king.

You have the choice to "reject" the word of the LORD, to obey or to disobey God. Even though God already knows all the possible outcomes of all the possible choices. The intent is to galatians 4:8-9

>Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.

>But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

Be known of God, and know Him and accept His word in obeidience. Rather then rejecting His word and disobeying. This is why in revelation 22:11 God mentions

>He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

Because 1 corinthians 3:6-9

>I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.

>So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

>Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.

>For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.


e818b2 No.646483

>>646479

isaiah 1:18

>Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

If we are robots, why did God give us this choice to obey him or not to obey him? Why does God say "Come now, and let us reason together"? Wouldn't this just be to clarify to the observer that he is or isn't obeying God? Which is to say having been known of God?


11161d No.646484

>>646479

>If God is both the creator and the all-knowing all-foreesing infinite entity the bible talks about, then you have no free will.

If you see someone jump, you know for certain that they are going to come back down to earth. But you did are not the one causing them to come back down, they did that of their own free will. Do you understand?


e818b2 No.646485

>>646483

To add even more to that, God "made" the apostles "choice" in acts 15:8

>And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.

Which is in reference that althought they choose a decision, God was and is still in control and could do whatever He wanted with that "choice" even though the apostles made it. God still "knew" all the outcomes and still was able to control them if He so willed.


e818b2 No.646491

>>646487

>I don't believe the Bible, the post

What are you doing here then Satan? Begone!


e818b2 No.646498

>>646493

>I can believe some parts of it

Matthew 12:33

>Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.

<it is a collection of books from different writers with mixed mythological and historical contexts.

They all have one author, the inspiration of God in 2 timothy 3:16, 2 peter 1:20-21, and 1 peter 1:25.

>but the catholics who pretend to defend with pure reason their gods.

Just quote matthew 23:9

>And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

matthew 13:37

>For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

By their own words http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/pope they shall be justified, and by their own words condemmed https://archive.fo/CBDmp .

Now if you don't actually beleive and just have a hate boner for catholics, then begone as anything not of faith is sin romans 14:23.


25106e No.646501

>>646469

>Did you not read hebrews 9:19? Those are "precepts according to the law" and not the law itself.

First thing first. Law is a rule and measure of acts, whereby man is induced to act or is restrained from acting: for "lex" [law] is derived from "ligare" [to bind], because it binds one to act. Percept is application of law for it comes "percipere" [understand]. Percepts are particualr laws of the Law.

But then I must ask you, did you even read Heb 9:19? To quote thee:

<For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law

It's not "precepts according to the law" it's "every precept to all the people according to the law" i.e. he spoke all particualr laws to the Israel because Law commandet it. He spoke all percepts because such was percept of law.

Or maybe you insist that Moses did not read to Israelites law of Moses then.

>Those precepts are of the law, just like the law is of moses. But is not moses himself.

This is false analogy. Thing can be said to be "of" something in many ways. First is possession, be it real or transitional. Thus I can say that my skeleton is mine. But other way is composition. Thus I can speak of "bones of skeleton". Likwise Law is "of Moses" because it was promulgated by him. But percepts are "of Law" because Law is made out of percepts.

>There are "OF" the law of sin.

<God commanded sin

This is what happens when you throw rationality out of God -you throw his Justice too.

Reread Romans 7. It is clear that Law is good and holy and that law of sin is not law of Moses (which as we proved is equal with "every percept spoken to people")

>indeed it doesn't mention the law of sin directly. It mentions its affect, the wages of sin are death

It does not mention law of sin at all. Basic structure of Romans 5-7 is Original Sin then Baptism then Concupiscence (law of sin). Rom 6:23 is sum of "Original SIn and Baptism" part. In Adam we all die by sin. It's logical, grace is life, sin is lack of grace, sin is lack of life, sin is death. But if we die in Christ by grace of baptism we shall live even if we die in flesh.

You say that it's law of sin. But Paul defines quite clearly what law of sin is: I find then a law, that when I have a will to do good, evil is present with me. This is law of sin - concupiscence.


25106e No.646502

>>646501

>Did you not read romans 7:25? It mentions the biblical law(s)

Law of God is eternal law. But we who are not eternal participate in it. First - naturally by natural law. Second by revelation of things higher than us by divine law. But Divine law is twolf - there is Old and New law. And bassed on that there is human law.

As for law of sin - the law, as to its essence, resides in him that rules and measures; but, by way of participation, in that which is ruled and measured; so that every inclination or ordination which may be found in things subject to the law, is called a law by participation.

Now those who are subject to a law may receive a twofold inclination from the lawgiver.

First, in so far as he directly inclines his subjects to something; sometimes indeed different subjects to different acts; in this way we may say that there is a military law and a mercantile law.

Secondly, indirectly; thus by the very fact that a lawgiver deprives a subject of some dignity, the latter passes into another order, so as to be under another law, as it were: thus if a soldier be turned out of the army, he becomes a subject of rural or of mercantile legislation.

Accordingly under the Divine Lawgiver various creatures have various natural inclinations, so that what is, as it were, a law for one, is against the law for another: thus I might say that fierceness is, in a way, the law of a dog, but against the law of a sheep or another meek animal.

And so the law of man, which, by the Divine ordinance, is allotted to him, according to his proper natural condition, is that he should act in accordance with reason: and this law was so effective in the primitive state, that nothing either beside or against reason could take man unawares.

But when man turned his back on God, he fell under the influence of his sensual impulses: in fact this happens to each one individually, the more he deviates from the path of reason, so that, after a fashion, he is likened to the beasts that are led by the impulse of sensuality, according to Psalm 48:21: "Man, when he was in honor, did not understand: he hath been compared to senseless beasts, and made like to them."

So, then, this very inclination of sensuality which is called the "law of sin," in other animals has simply the nature of a law (yet only in so far as a law may be said to be in such things), by reason of a direct inclination.

But in man, it has not the nature of law in this way, rather is it a deviation from the law of reason.

But since, by the just sentence of God, man is destitute of original justice, and his reason bereft of its vigor, this impulse of sensuality, whereby he is led, in so far as it is a penalty following from the Divine law depriving man of his proper dignity, has the nature of a law.

>Romans 3:26-27 is about the law of faith/God, not this "natural law" bullshit you keep spouting that isn't biblical.

Natural law is participation in eternal law of God by natural means. Anything that does not meet this definition is not natural law.

14 For when the Gentiles, who have not the law, do by nature those things that are of the law; these having not the law are a law to themselves:

15 Who shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness to them, and their thoughts between themselves accusing, or also defending one another,

As for Romans 3:26-27 I apologise, I've seen 2 in place of 3.

So to make it up:Divine law spoken about in Romans 3 and Natural law in Romans 2 is part of the same Eternal law.

>I only mentioned those verses in the manner I did because if you had bothered to read them, you would see the definition of biblical law(s).

If you have read what you quote in context you would see that:

<Law of Moses is not Law of sin but Divine (but old) Law

<Law of is not death but indication to sin

>And not the commandments/precepts/ordiances according to the law.

And if you would read what you quoted at all, you would see that you just rape the text. For text is clear - Moses read every percept to all the people because law commanded him to do so.

And it have nothing to do with Saint that explained why law was harsh, so take your heresy somewhere else


70cc48 No.646503

>>646467

This is useful.


e818b2 No.646504

>>646499

>bible-worshippers is the same thing of debating quran with a muslim

No its not. You can prove a muslim a liar with laughable ease.

>>646487

<you are taking for literal a fantasy book with its very contradictions

Go ahead, prove God a liar in the KJV, its not possible. Adding to that, I worship God, His word is incredibly important but not to be confused with God Himself. As He exists. There is nothing in the KJV Bible that would make God a liar if it were true, which it is true.


c21217 No.646506

>>646475

Some people, yikes.


c21217 No.646510

>>646499

The Quran was written 200 years after m**med, the resurrection of Christ is better cross-documented event than the existence of Plato and Aristotle. Which were preserved by the true Church, by the way.

The j*ws took their broken telephone number to thousands of years in the Talm*d. When in my 4th grade class it only took Timothy 20 seconds to change one of the words for ass, the j*ws claim it was never changed.

Talk about a false equivalent.

Watch a Case for Christ. There's a book but a 14 year old like you only watches youtube videos, so the movie might actually catch your attention.


e818b2 No.646513

>>646501

<God commanded sin

Isaiah 45:7

>I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create

evil: I the LORD do all these things.

<It does not mention law of sin at all.

romans 7:25

>I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

>law of sin

Are you blind?

>In Adam we all die by sin.

It says by "one man" sin entered into the world, not Adam.

>>646502

<But we who are not eternal participate in it

Wrong again, what do you think eternal life and eteranal torment are in revelation 20? ETERNAL is what they are.

<Natural law is participation in eternal law of God by natural means. Anything that does not meet this definition is not natural law.

Nothing meets this definition, which is not even biblical in any shape way or form, read romans 8:8

>So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

1 corinthians 15:50

>Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

You can't participate in the "eternal" as the "natural" recieves not the things of God 1 corinthians 2:14

>But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

<This is false analogy.

>But percepts are "of Law" because Law is made out of percepts.

Did you not just agree with me? Those "every precept" are "according to the law". Not the law themselves othewise they wouldn't be in accordance with the law of sin or God/faith.

<For text is clear - Moses read every percept to all the people because law commanded him to do so.

No he "had spoken every precept according to the law" which God had commanded Moses to do, not some law. These "every precept", which is plural because of the "every" just re-affirms the leviticus 18:3 affirmation that these are precepts according to the law. And not the law themselves. I could destroy your conversation all day long, but rather just read the Bible literally and beleive it.

<And it have nothing to do with Saint that explained why law was harsh

Which law? The law of faith/God or the law of sin? You need to clarify this every single time you make an ambigious reference to "the law".


e818b2 No.646516

>>646515

>claims God, in the Bible, is a liar inspite of titus 1:2 saying otherwise

Prove your claim. Otherwise thou are a liar who should have been banned for not being a christian nor having ears to hear long ago. At this point maybe some lurkers might be edified.


e818b2 No.646524

>>646519

Which post proves it? I don't see it and I searched all posts here with the ID 15f25f . The one that even comes close is >>646465 but is explained by >>646476 and >>646485 which TLDR; God knows and still controls the possible outcome, but sometime He lets his espoused chaste virgin, pseudo because of espoused, wives make a decision that is within His control and will which He already foreknew.


49a514 No.646525

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>>646419

<whats so wrong about child sacrifice?

<its not like it harms anyone

<Moloch just wants you to burn your innocent babies for the prosperity of the nation guis

<#MolochLivesMatter

You dropped pic related


25106e No.646715

>>646513

>Isaiah 45:7

Context m8. "I form the light, and create darkness, I make peace, and create evil". Evil here is opposed to peace like light to darkness. Thus evil means lack of peace like darkness means lack of light.

It's totally difrent from your claim that God commanded Moses to jusge injustly, to worsahip not holy and to have moral code that is evil. For that you claimed - that law of Moses is evil and sin.

>romans 7:25

You do know that we talk about Romans 6? And that End of this chapter is end of thought? And you do know that Paul already told you what he means by law of sin? (hint: it's have little fo witht Rom 6)

>Are you blind?

Are you? We don't talk about Romans 7 here.

>It says by "one man" sin entered into the world, not Adam.

<It was not Adam who sinned and it was not by him that sin entered world

Romans 5:12-14

>Wrong again, what do you think eternal life and eteranal torment are in revelation 20? ETERNAL is what they are.

Dude, are you high? Or ESL? How this is in any way relevant? The only thing that life eternal have to do with eternal law of God is that a) they are both of God b) you cannot have former without obidence to later c) they are both eternal. But it's not revelant at all.

>Nothing meets this definition

Natural law does Rom 2

>, which is not even biblical in any shape way or form

Romans 2

>read romans 8:8

Fact that those who walk in flesh do not please God (duh) don't mean that natural law do not exist. For those who walk according to natural law do not walk according to the flesh for natural law forbids sin. Romans 2

>1 corinthians 15:50

And what have it do with the topic? Did you in your stupidity assumed that I, God forbid, against Catholic faith claimed that you can merit for your salvation by merit of law alone?

>You can't participate in the "eternal" as the "natural" recieves not the things of God 1 corinthians 2:14

"Natural" here is better translated as "sensual" i.e. one who have having the nature and characteristics of the ψυχή i. e. of the principle of animal life, which men have in common with the brutes. Or as said above, law of sin which is law of nature in animals.

>Did you not just agree with me?

Did you not just ignore what I wrote?

>Those "every precept" are "according to the law".

No. Those "every percepts" are law. What is "according to the law" is reading of them to the nation.

>Not the law themselves othewise they wouldn't be in accordance with the law of sin or God/faith.

Law commanded him to read the Law. What's so hard to understand?

What Moses Read? Every percept. What Paul means by it? The Law of Moses (Exodus 24). To whom he read it? To the people. He did why? Because reading of the law to the people is in accordance to the law.

>No he "had spoken every precept according to the law" which God had commanded Moses to do, not some law.

Who dictated law to Moses? Was it not God? Yes, it was "the book of the law of Moses, which the Lord had commanded to Israel.". And the same God, in the same law, dictated to him that he shall proclaim it to the people.

>These "every precept", which is plural because of the "every" just re-affirms the leviticus 18:3 affirmation that these are precepts according to the law. And not the law themselves.

Law is made out of precepts. We discussed it. You ignored it. Reality stays - every percept=whole of law. Or to use words of prophet:

Remember the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded him in Horeb for all Israel, the precepts, and judgments.

What is the Law? Percepts.

>I could destroy your conversation all day long, but rather just read the Bible literally and beleive it.

You either have faith nor read the bible for what you do to it can only be called rape.

>Which law? The law of faith/God or the law of sin?

Law of Moses aka Old Divine Law.

>You need to clarify this every single time you make an ambigious reference to "the law".

It is you who think that there is only two kinds of Law, while Bible speaks about six: eternal law (Proverbs 8), natural law (Romans 2), human laws (Esther 1:19), Divine law (Psalm 18:33), Old and New (Hebrews 7:12) and finally "law of sin" that is indication to sin (Romans 7).

You retarded theories are novelties that no one ever proclaimed.


04eb4c No.646732

>>646121

Because sometimes Christians need to take genociding into their own hands.

>Killing people is heavy on human mind no matter how justified and righteous it could be.

Nah, only modern snowflakes suffer PTSD.


10357b No.646735

>>646446

>gospel is harsh like the law (see Matthew 11:28-30)

>the law brought benefit (Romans 3:19-20)


25106e No.646740

>>646735

>gospel is harsh like the law (see Matthew 11:28-30)

Well, no shit. Law of Gospel is harsh. Ever heard about Sermon on the Mount? Burden and yoke of Christ is as much sweet and light as much charity moves us inwardly to do what Law commands outwardly.

>the law brought benefit (Romans 3:19-20)

Romans 7, Galatians 3




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