/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

>>645124

Should be "why ortholarps like me, because I larp as a Christian too".

No Orthodox Christian " likes" a gnostic like Peterson. Also lol at easterns not emphasising professions of faith: the underpinnings of their rationale for their schism is because of a perceived violation of the niceaen Creed: the profession of faith.

Also lol at the Logos "transforming chaos in order" . Creatio ex nihilo. Chaos is not existant so is not transformed, dualism heresy btfo of existence.

>>6451348

>He will continue to tell his audience what they want to hear as long as the money flows.

i think he just tells them what he actually believes

No way, bucko. This dude is hardly an intellectual.

>>645134

>lol at easterns not reducing the entire faith to mere profession and speech

ya lol they actually try to live it rather than just speak it! crazy

>>645147

intellectual is a pejorative

>>645145

Just as much as an evangelical tv preacher believes in his own words.

maybe he does, maybe he doesnt.

he still robs people.

>>645151

>he still robs people.

so why doesn't he get sued ?

>>645161

Because robbing people by making them believe your words and then taking their money is not illegal.

>>645162

It's not robbery, it's people consensually showing their support financially. Let's not bear false witness.

>>645164

Tricking young men in a bad psychological situation into becoming a follower of your ideology to make money is robbing.

>>645170

Of course I wish you luck.

>>645171

Thank you, sorry if my post was overly aggressive, I didn't mean it like that, I'm not a Peterson groupie either. Taking advantage of your men in a bad psychological way is robbing, but perhaps this is a case of the fine line between use and abuse. At least God loves the world enough that young men aren't discovering Joel Osteen.

Great, the jews are done with the papists.

Now it's our turn.

He is popular among vaguely normie Ortho Christian young men, mainly converts(not saying converts are bad i am one). But for anyone more theologically versed we can see him for what he is, a snake oil selling gnostic. I know at least one man who converted to Orthodox Christianity through him, so thank God this man essentially misunderstood what Peterson was saying and became a real Christian instead.

>>645187

>Thank God he's misunderstood

Not really, he's a Jungian materialist, we all see it clear as day. He has no faith, but for those who couldn't into Christianity because of their autistic need for everything to be scientifically accurate, it's faith we wanted to discover, so it makes sense to use his knowledge and then get past him.

>>645187

What Peterson is saying here is also a tad wrong, it's only right insofar as the western focus is seemingly on creed, and the eastern focus is on theosis, or to use the Latin, imitatio dei.

>>645192

But it's hardly a dichotomy that really exists

>>645189

Such as?

>>645201

I'm just making fun of the Orthodox priest shooting a gun. Clergy and monks fighting is something you don't see in the west since the times of the middle ages, when monks and priests would arm themselves and accompany armies to defend their monasteries.

It makes perfect sense though, because being closer to Islam, and all.

>>645148

That went over your head Mr Peterson. Easterns are so hardcore about professions of faith in words that they schism from Rome claiming the reason that Rome changed the words of the profession. They are more focussed on the profession of faith in words than anyone else.

>>645221

(You)

>>645221

>they schism from Rome

>several churches separate from that one

>proto-bergoglios didnt added to the creed

lol, this is the level of delusion of papists

>>645187

>thank God this man essentially misunderstood what Peterson was saying and became a real Christian instead

This. Anybody coming to true Christianity through Peterson's ramblings has fundamentally misunderstood his essentially all of his presuppositions, or rejected them by converting to Christianity. He's a dangerous gnostic who spends considerable time sterilizing the scriptures of truth.

>>645134

>"why ortholarps like me, because I larp as a Christian too"

lol at this papist rage

>>645214

>Clergy and monks fighting is something you don't see in the west since the times of the middle ages

>because being closer to Islam, and all.

Nah mate, you have just fallen from the faith.

>>645395

>Gnostic

I'm in the latter camp, his presuppositions in the main are those of materialism. Sterilizing is the right word, he understands suffering, sacrifice and death and that's about it.

In short, he's not a Gnostic like the ancient heresy, he's a half-Christian in my book, since he can fit the earthly bits together (i.e. sin, suffering, sacrifice and death) but he doesn't deal with any of the heavenly and positive parts. That had some advantages to me, because I saw the heaven bit as an impossibly remote chance, and it was "nice" but meaningless because I didn't understand how I could get there (it was either too easy or dumb luck alla Pascale's wager).

I'd like to hear some real theological arguments against his mistakes though, I feel ill equipped to understand how he's wrong. (I'm still only a year into a return to faith)

>>645214

So you should stop mouth breathing because m*slims do that too.

>>645447

And at least someone will stand up to the Turks

>>645442

Last one's a great meme, saved

You are very based, begome has crept into my mind of late, I just want to wait a bit to see if I retain my faith with a bit more steadiness, because I'm still new.

>>645138

>Daily reminder Peterson earns about 80k a month on patreon alone

Thou shalt not covet. Your post reeks of envy. People appreciate his work, so they donate to him. There are no victims there.

>>645265

>Arianism

>Nestorianism

>Monophysitism

>Monothelitism

>Iconoclasm

>several churches separate from that one

>they schism from Rome

yup, they did it many times already

>>645138

>>645151

>>645162

>>645167

> he's bad because he makes money

Spoken like a true /leftypol/ regular. The amount of money he receives is completely irrelevant. It's not scamming or robbing when everything associated with him is completely free and available online aside from his "infamous" quiz that you don't even need if you've listened to more than a dozen hours of the guy (which is a small amount compared to what's available.) Even his newest book which is a self help book, he goes into detail about each chapter for free online in other lectures. There's no reason to pay Peterson a single dime unless you want to leave a tip, which is what that patreon account is

>>645530

When someone attacks your idol:

>REEEE IM SURE THAT IS ENVY BECAUSE I SAY SO, THOU SHALT NOT COVET REEEEEEE

When you want to defend Peterstein:

>>645164

>L-let's not bear false witness, you are just making things up!

>>645517

Yeah, that was my assessment too. It's all a lovely theory, and it always feels nice to be enriched with new knowledge and a new perspective, but it is not faith, you have to make that leap by yourself.

>>645221

>they schism

Papist education

>from Rome

Papist education

Charlemagne and the "HRE" schism from Rome which remained Orthodox until the end. The reasons were many but mostly political.

>>645578

>all these buttmad ortholarps reeeing about tangential things

I feel sorry for Easterns who have to put up with these undercover prots tarnishing their name

>>645595

>Thread about the admission that Orthodox Christianity is superior in every way

>Catholics flood the thread en masse

>y-y-you are butthurt

And i don't have a problem with westerners admiring and converting to Orthodoxy. If anything, it was about time.

Who is worse? Peterson fanboys or animequeers?

It's a close call

>>645633

people who ask stupid questions.

>>645124

>married a kike

>has a mural of lenin

>weird sex shit

>atheist faggot pretending to be "traditional"

Oh yeah I see why they like you Jo.

>>645653

>This much papist butthurt

Ad hominem, ad hominem

>>645550

You are coveting and bearing false witness. It is reckless to call it theft when someone receives freely given donations from people who like his message. No one has a gun to their head. So that is a lie. False witness. Like him or dislike him, there are hundreds of hours of lectures and interviews of him available for free. No one has to pay a cent for his message unless they want to. And there is no reason to mention how much he makes on Patreon other than envy.

>>645124

Is he even remotely correct? It seems like he is pulling those weltanschaung differences out of thin air.

>>645653

>married a kike

Evidence? Tammy Roberts does not sound like a Jewish name. Not that her ethnicity should matter.

>has a mural of lenin

Not because he likes communism. For the opposite reason.

>weird sex shit

Like what? He condemns casual sex.

>atheist faggot pretending to be "traditional"

At worst he is an agnostic.

>>645756

>>has a mural of lenin

>Not because he likes communism. For the opposite reason.

Sounds like you don't know a lot about Peterson's college years. Those murals are of his old heroes.

I'm starting to realize the people who know the least about Peterson are his most ardent fanboys. Real YouTube scholars, these ones.

>>646032

Maybe because people care about what he has to say, and don't idolize him like the strawmen you like to project onto his supporters. Peterson never called himself righteous

>>645743

I'm just pointing our your hipocrisy. When it suits you, your are quick to cry "FALSE WITNESS, FALSE WITHNESS, IT IS CLEAR AS WATER BUT GOD HIMSELF HAS NOT DESCENDED TO CONFIR IT SO FALSE WITNESS. When someone attacks your actual god, Peterstein, you have no problem making a million accusations of ENVY ENVY, THOU SHALT NOT COVET.

You are a pathetic celebrity worshiping hipocrite that can't stand people telling the truth about Peterstein, who is a spineless coward that gets thousands of monthly dollars through idiots like you and popularity. We mention how much money he gets in patreon because that is the way he milks idiots like you

>>646068

Another hipocrisy: "if you say anything against me, it is false witness. But I am free to say that you are envious and projecting because I magically know so. The magical divination ball I bought form the Peterstein store tells me so"

>>646068

The majority of Peterson's fans haven't read his books, or any of his writing. They watch YouTube videos of "Jordan Peterson BTFO leftists!!! CLICK THIS".

Omg guys, gulag archipelaego!

>>646077

How do you know this? You couldn't possibly know if this were true. In fact, where does anyone get thier idea of what a Peterson supporter looks like. Is it reddit? Because reddit is full of garbage no matter the subject. What you described sounds like the mentality of an r/t_d poster

>>646072

Not an argument. You're being delusional.

>>646068

>>646082

Try to follow the thread of conversation. I was responding the the false notion that he has commie propaganda all over his house as some sort of ironic artful critique. Where's the swastikas, then? From his book Maps of Meaning:

I abandoned the traditions that supported me, at about the same time I left childhood. This meant that I had no broader socially constructed “philosophy” at hand to aid my understanding as I became aware of the existential problems that accompany maturity. The final consequences ofthat lack took years to become fully manifest. In the meantime, however, my nascent concern with questions of moral justice found immediate resolution. I started working as a volunteer for a mildly socialist political party, and adopted the party line.

Economic injustice was at the root of all evil, as far as I was concerned. Such injustice could be rectified, as a consequence of the rearrangement of social organizations. I could play a part in that admirable revolution, carrying out my ideological beliefs….

I had attended several left-wing party congresses, as a student politician and active party worker. I hoped to emulate the socialist leaders. The left had a long and honorable history in Canada, and attracted some truly competent and caring people. However, I could not generate much respect for the numerous low-level party activists I encountered at these meetings. They seemed to live to complain. They had no career, frequently, and no family, no completed education—nothing but ideology. They were peevish, irritable, and little, in every sense of the word. I was faced, in consequence, with the mirror image of the problem I encountered on the college board: I did not admire many of the individuals who believed the same things I did. This additional complication furthered my existential confusion.

My college roommate, an insightful cynic, expressed skepticism regarding my ideological beliefs. He told me that the world could not be completely encapsulated within the boundaries of socialist philosophy. I had more or less come to this conclusion on my own, but had not admitted so much in words. Soon afterward, however, I read George Orwell's Road to Wigan Pier. This book finally undermined me—not only my socialist ideology, but my faith in ideological stances themselves. In the famous essay concluding that book (written for—and much to the dismay of—the British Left Book Club) Orwell described the great flaw of socialism, and the reason for its frequent failure to attract and maintain democratic power (at least in Britain). Orwell said, essentially, that socialists did not really like the poor. They merely hated the rich. His idea struck home instantly. Socialist ideology served to mask resentment and hatred, bred by failure. Many of the party activists I had encountered were using the ideals of social justice to rationalize their pursuit of personal revenge.

Whose fault was it that I was poor or uneducated and unadmired? Obviously, the fault of the rich, well-schooled and respected. How convenient, then, that the demands of revenge and abstract justice dovetailed! It was only right to obtain recompense from those more fortunate than me.

Of course, my socialist colleagues and I weren't out to hurt anyone. Quite the reverse. We were out to improve things—but we were going to start with other people. I came to see the temptation in this logic, the obvious flaw, the danger—but could also see that it did not exclusively characterize socialism. Anyone who was out to change the world by changing others was to be regarded with suspicion. The temptations of such a position were too great to be resisted.

It was not socialist ideology that posed the problem, then, but ideology as such.

IS JORDAN PETERSON A CHRISTIAN?

Although I had grown up in a Christian environment—and had a successful and happy childhood, in at least partial consequence—I was more than willing to throw aside the structure that had fostered me. No one really opposed my rebellious efforts, either, in church or at home—in part because those who were deeply religious (or who might have wanted to be) had no intellectually acceptable counter-arguments at their disposal. After all, many of the basic tenets of Christian belief were incomprehensible, if not clearly absurd. The virgin birth was an impossibility; likewise, the notion that someone could rise from the dead.

- Maps of Meaning

Lott: Do you believe that Jesus rose again from the dead?"

Peterson: I cannot answer that question. And the reason is because… okay… let me think about that for a minute… see if I can come up with a reasonable answer for that. Well, the first answer would be: It depends on what you mean by Jesus…. I don't understand the structure of being well enough to make my way through the complexities of the resurrection story, I would say it's the most mysterious element of the biblical stories to me, and perhaps I'm not alone in that, it's the central drama in the Christian corpus let's say. But I don't believe that it's reasonable to boil it down to something like "do you believe that or do you not believe it", you know, it's not… I don't know what the limits… I don't know the limits of human possibility.

- Am I Christian? Interview with Tim Lott.

>>646085

>It depends on what you mean by Jesus…. I don't understand the structure of being well enough to make my way through the complexities of the resurrection story

Talk about weaving a web of confusion. This guy is a pied piper leading his followers into a dizzying circle of existential relativism.

>>646084

This is a good excerpt and I don't see why people have a problem with addressing the issues of ideology. Ideology is used as a substitute for religion that leads to dangers thoughts and worldview. Peterson makes it clear (if not in that text, then his lecture as a whole) that TRUTH (I.e. God) is the only way to construct the world in a positive and meaningful way. His personal beliefs >>646085 whether he's choosing to hide it, or his faith is truly misguided >>645612, does not make the above statement wrong nor does it push people away from the Lord.

>>646091

Again, you're missing the point. His background is as a socialist, which explains why he is so enamored of those relics. Try to follow the thread of conversation; I'm not critiquing Peterson in that quote. My critique is the subsequent post, where he can't even acknowledge that Jesus is a man, much less that he was resurrected and is the Son of God.

>>645138

who let leftypol in?

>>646084

He is obviously totally against communism now, and maintains his collection of Soviet art for anti-authoritarian reasons. Focusing on how he was a socialist in his youth is like focusing on Paul murdering Christians.

>>645745

Of course he is because then otherwise he'd have to stop claiming he's "Western Christian" which he isn't even in the slightest regard.

>>646214

>>645745

Hmm, I don't know, I've been listening to an Orthodox priest a Fr. Saraphim Cordoza who sometimes appears on this boomer Christian radio station called Dove radio. And based on his ideas surrounding faith I would have to say there's a little truth to what Peterson is on about. However it's a massive oversimplification.

For instance, Peterson's idea of suffering is too watered down, like maybe around 10% of what Fr. Seraphim was talking about.

Then of course there's the fact that no real dichotomy exists, but Peterson does atone for this by recognizing that Westerns give it more implicit emphasis.

>>646185

>maintains his collection of Soviet art for anti-authoritarian reasons

Where's his nazi propaganda?

>is like focusing on Paul murdering Christians

Did Paul maintain murals immortalizing his murders of Christians? It's more like if an ex-sodomite kept his gay porn stash. Makes you wonder.

>>646357

If he did keep Nazi propaganda the media would claim it was evidence he is a crypto-fascist, whereas very few people would be foolish enough to call him a communist given his generally conservative values.

There's no reason to refer to Peterson as a gnostic. Chief among these non-reasons is that he's not even religious enough to be guilty of the gnostic heresy as such. He's just another esoteric goomba.

>>646361

I give up. Jordanites go to any length to defend their daddy figure.

>"pick up your damn cross"

that's not how a man of God speaks

>95% of Orthodox do not even know who he is.

>>646361

>generally conservative values

But Peterson is liberal.

>>645534

>>Arianism

>>Nestorianism

>>Monophysitism

>>Monothelitism

>>Iconoclasm

>being this uneducated that one cannot differentiate between heretic movements and actual excommunications between churches…

What did 15 yo """catholic""" anon mean by this?

>>651188

> le holier than thou meme

>>651194

That's because 95% of Orthodox are old Russian ladies.

>>651381

That's what I was afraid too when I went to orthodox mass for the first time.

Luckily it's not true.

>>645124

>Jordan Peterson, "why orthodox christians like me"

>>651217

Depends how you define the terms, but he talks about how old ways of doing things should not be jettisoned lightly, how people should get their own personal life in order before trying to save the world (which would rule out most liberal activism), how hierarchies are natural and impossible to get rid of, how trying to bring about equity is undesirable and results in tyranny, how casual sex and abortion are bad and enforced monogamy is good, etc. He criticizes both the radical left and right but focuses way more against the left.

>>645189

I have that with nearly every denomination

>>651188

Easy there pharisee

Orthodox are interested in Peterson mostly because he's good friends with Jonathan Pageau.

>>646088

Honestly, though, God is still using him. Even though he seems to have a hard time accepting God as he actually is, I've met a weird amount of people in churches recently who have people like him to thank for their genuine conversions. And these people are real, believing Christians.

>>645517

>The main problem with Peterson and people like him is that he only looks at religion as some psychological tool to condition your earthly mind to be more comfortable with life, death and suffering.

It's deeper than that. He's described people as literally needing meaning. Not mere comfort.

>More precisely he acts as if there some hidden intelligence in the world that he will uncover eventually with his own intellect.

I don't think he's that arrogant for it to be a self-centered approach. He heaps plenty of praise on others for it, though I suppose you could make the argument that the fact that he's praising people reveals that he thinks his praise is worth something, which could be characterized as arrogance.

>>645138

youre reasoning is pretty stupid, theres nothing wrong with making money. however i agree he is a hack because he seems like one of those people who are only christian because "society depends on it" (notice hes always referencing nietschze) and not because he actually has faith.

I don't like Peterson. I've actually listened to some of his academic lectures relating to Jung but they weren't particularly useful. I think that as an internet celebrity he pertains to the lowest common denominator which in his case, are millennial conservatives and self professed millennial Christians who both have very few role models to ground themselves to and in turn are extremely easy to exploit. Peterson obviously isn't a Christians and doesn't know much about Christianity, or Orthodoxy, but he does paint Christianity in a positive light which is a favorable position by his fans at least.

>>645124

You stumble up to the City of God, like Sisyphus.

>>645124

wtf i hate orthodox christians now imagine liking this shill who gets white people to be individuals while at the same time supporting zionism

>>645124

>>659480

This made me and my gf laugh A LOT, it came out of nothing too and I'm a big fan of JP (not a mindless one though)

>>659519

congrats on the sex

>>659521

> having sex with your gf

>>659428

I'm curious, did you listen to one of his actual 2 hour lectures or just those 5 minute youtube clips of him in a classroom where random lectures are cropped to cover a small topic?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3bd2-ivMfI

>>659480

I lol'd

It amazes me at the number of people (mostly non-Christians themselves) who think Jordan Peterson is a Christian. And I'm not just talking about leftists and journalists who hate Peterson and don't care about accurately representing him. I just read a right wing, nationalist wing type refer to him as a "devout Christian". He may be on his way, we can definitely hope that he will convert. But as far as I know he's an agnostic at this point. I guess in this day and age saying a bunch of positive things about Christianity, even if you're a non-believer, will make other non-believers think you're a Christian.

>>645124

I'm orthodox and I hate him with the passion.

>>659085

The bible does say that God will speak through strangers, however it also says to be weary of wolves in sheeps clothing.

If those people are idolizing Jordan Peterson in a way that has spread among their church, would that not be an example of being lead astray? Of following man instead of God (and perhaps even false Gods), and being the wolf in sheeps clothing?

An example of what that would look like is thinking that a particular man has personally lead them to being saved, instead of God placing a conviction in their heart and drawing them into a body of believers.

It is by Gods kindness that they are saved through faith. It does not come from their-selves, it's a gift from God.

>>659519

>im a big fan of jp

Dont forget to clean your roomand patreon him

>>660293

wash your dick bucko

>>660319

He does lead many. He describes events in genesis and other books in a way that speaks straight into materialistic minds. He likes to lecture about the Bible being mostly metaphors and mythology, so he's rightfully criticized by religious groups for wrongfully explaining scripture.

The thing is that even though he explains it in that way, he doesn't emphasize that it matters whether or not it's right in that way (like an atheist would.) What he emphasizes is the books contain irrefutable truth that express thousands of years of wisdom and it's foolish to scrap your traditions and culture because you think you're smarter than you are. The concern is people might only accept the Bible in that manner if it's the only way they know it. Also he's always wishy washy when people ask if he believes in God. He goes to great lengths explaining who God is (literally hours), and that he hates being asked that question because "what makes you think my answer would mean the same thing to you as it does to me?"

>>645124

Peterson is good… if you are a damaged young man who need half answers through myths and allegories.

If you want the full answer convert.

>>660305

>>660305

*Donates*

>>645124

He has lead many people to Christ, so he's okay in my books.

>>660341

>He likes to lecture about the Bible being mostly metaphors and mythology

Because that's the way he decided to do his lectures, because he's a clinical psychologist. He even states that the way he presents the stories in his lectures isn't the only way to read or think about them.

>because "what makes you think my answer would mean the same thing to you as it does to me?"

I don't see how he is in the wrong for stating this considering the kinds of people that ask him this and the prepackaged responses they usually have for a question they deem to be a yes-or-no one.

I don't really understand why people look down on him or the disdain he gets from here and other places.

>>660349

Case in point. You have to realize that the world is in the shit and many young men and women are aimless and without a compass because of an endless amount of factors. Should you look down on those people or those who help them get their lives on track? Peterson presents them a way to wrap their heads around the Bible and what it contains so that it may help them lead objectively better lives where before they wouldn't even dream of giving the Biblical stories even a second worth of thought, but now do.

Even if he doesn't subscribe to your particular brand of Christianity or if you only care about converting others, he's done more to put people in tune, or even just nudge them into the direction, of God than anyone else has been able to in such numbers in this day and age.

I see what he does as a net positive thing.

>>666020

Tl;dr the fedora way of saying "God is whatever you want him to be :)

Peterson is at best a modernist heretic, at worst (and most likely) an atheist who realises he can trick people into giving himmoney

Peterson is a wolf leading sheep astray. He is a godless nutjob.

>>665900

>He even states that the way he presents the stories in his lectures isn't the only way to read or think about them.

He says that because of the way he has dismissed Scipture as just some silly little text written by some people on drugs.

The Bible isn't some mythology. The Bible isn't just some metaphor for "be nice and clean your room lol". I don't see why you would need to defend a fedora retard and his pathetic damage control. That is a yes or no question. The problem for Peterstein is that saying "yes" or "no", that is, saying an actual response, means less money.

>2018

>doesnt let a con be his father figure

>not even giving money on his patreon

Lmao you are a feminist lmfao

>>665900

I agree with you

>>666035

>dismissed Scripture as just some silly little text written by some people on drugs.

You can't make this post and expect to be taken seriously at the same time. If you're going to lie at least do it in a less obvious way. Speaking about the effects of psychedelics doesn't mean the topics are coupled. His quote was that a religious experience can be invoked through drugs or scientific method, which only proves that state of being is real.

>>666025

It's "God is the highest value you can conceive of so you better make sure it's the true God who is responsible for reality, and not yourself, a communist, or something that tries to cheat the world."

I can see why a statement like this upsets /leftypol/ shills so much.

I really don't understand how anyone could be encouraged towards genuine Christian faith by Peterson's lectures or writing. Perhaps I haven't seen enough of it. He resembles a vaguely conservative version of Foucault or Derrida: obscure, lofty, hopelessly intellectual and almost incomprehensible at times.

People who are not intelligent don't understand what he says, so they could only be moved by some sort of pretense to wisdom, which probably amounts to filling whatever gaps in their own understanding they have with a Peterson soundbite which seems relevant. Intelligent people are much more likely to be 'ambushed in heart by poetry' or struck by the obvious depth of character and conviction present in someone like Fulton Sheen than they are going to be persuaded by long intellectual monologues of Peterson's kind. Even if they agree with everything he says, how is that going to produce the huge internal and immensely personal change which comes with real faith.

Also, I don't see any discussion in this thread about why Orthodox Christians in particular should approve of Peterson. As far as I can see, his views have more in common with traditionally Catholic legalism than Orthodox hesychasm and mysticism In fact, they seem to border on determinism and consequentialism, which surely no Christian tradition could ever accept.

The point about his treatment of the Bible as some sort of useful mythology seems quite right to me. If he has something positive to say about Christianity in relation to some topic or other, then that might be interesting from an academic point of view, but for the purpose of the salvation of souls it would be far better to listen to Fulton Sheen talk about the same topic, wouldn't it?

>>645124

JP cozying up with neocons warmongers "jews" (do not dignify their lies by calling them Jews as they are not) such as Shapiro, is a big red flag, and I warn Christians not to lower your guard with JP as he may be controlled opposition intent on keeping conservatives set in their neocon ways for more wars for Babylon, the fact that he shills so hard for that awful term "Judeo-Christian" is a tell. I cannot take Christians who use that term seriously at all as they just reek of Satanic Zionism.

But Shapiro is a neocon scumbag that spawned from a deep dark pit, I have trouble respecting anyone who associates with him. Everything about him, his squeaky voice, manlet size and obvious double standards makes me utterly despise him. He is an awful person all throughout and the fact that JP associates with him so much either means he's much more stupid than he lets on or he's lying, my instincts tells me the later.

>>665900

>Even if he doesn't subscribe to your particular brand of Christianity

Dude he's a materialist who thinks the bible is useful to keep modernity from collapsing under the weight of its neurosis. You're out beyond the gnostics when it comes to the venn diagram of Christianity. God bless.