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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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7183f2 No.643978

<while in the middle ages europe was in the dark, the islamic world was preserving works of plato and aristotle and coming up with new advancements in math and science

<the christian world in the middle ages was under heavy subjugation by the church, burning heretics and witches at the stake, and committing mass genocides and expulsions against jews, cathars, and muslims under reconquista; yet the islamic world gave rights to all its minority groups, jews and christians alike, protecting their synagogues and churches and even letting them own land and hold public office, not even was the case in the previous byzantine empire which discriminated against jews until the muslim conquest which gave both jewish and christian citizens immense rights under its new empire.

<thousands of jews and non-catholics were killed and persecuted during the centuries long inquisition, but they found refuge in the islamic world which did not discriminate. maimonides, a great jewish philosopher, is one noble example.

How respond?

97d0c5 No.643982

That's false but that reminds me, my Salafist friend (who i like btw because he buys me things and sends me money from time to time) loves liberals because of how much they defend Islam. This romanticization of Islam is hilarious.

Europe became englitheend once it Became Christian


3ae632 No.643983

Very little of that is true

>christians and jews had immense rights

Oh I'm laffin'


7183f2 No.643985

>>643983

>>643982

Ok, but how do I respond? This is the argument I was given, and they did present some academic works noting on this. How do I respond to them? I need evidence and shit.


2efc47 No.643987

>>643985

Say that modern historians agree that dark age thing is a myth


7183f2 No.643989

>>643987

I need evidence though…


7183f2 No.643990

Can somebody please just help me out with all the points in my OP above? Thanks.


2efc47 No.643991

Just ask on history boards or even winnie the pooh leddit


7183f2 No.643994

>>643991

But they're all leftists…


8de4f2 No.643996

>>643990

Do your own research you lazy tigger. Here's something though.

http://myocn.net/everyday-life-of-christians-in-ottoman-turkish-empire/


634d5f No.643997

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>>643978

You can go search dark age in youtube and even the dimmest simpleton will agree that Dark Age was called such because little was known about it compared to other ages. St.Thomas Aquinas was born and worked during that age. Plenty of universities, craftsmen who created wonders that have lasted through the ages, etc.

Dark age is pretty much medieval~renaissance. Bloody hell, historian do not even agree on when the dark age starts and when it ends. Even modern historians said that dark age is a winnie the pooh meme and only a dumb wanker (or workers of iniquity who spreads misinformation) like leftists would go and spout stuffs like "Christianity prevented science, hur dur". For heavens sake, you can even go to wikipedia page and get blow that little snot of an argument into the sky.

If renaissance and "enlightenment" (blergh) was a flower blooming in the dawn, then the "dark ages" was the seed that was in the "dark" of the ground, laying roots and groundworks for a long period of time that is necessary for the blooming.


fa4f9a No.644045

>>643978

<while in the middle ages europe was in the dark, the islamic world was preserving works of plato and aristotle and coming up with new advancements in math and science

>Be muslim, 7th-15th century

>Conquer all of the Middle East and Greek territories in present day Anatolia

>Mfw somehow all liberals are amazed that the muslims still had the Greek manuscripts and we didn't

Once the Greek mainland was conquered the Greeks fled to Italy and brought the old philosophical works with them.

This started the renaissance.

Oh also do tell your lib friends about the muslim conquest of Egypt.

That library got burned to the ground then again burning the Alexandrian library is an ancient tradition mandatory for every conqueror of Egypt. Heck, you haven't conquered Egypt if you do not burn it afterwards.


702eaf No.644049

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>>643978

The most advanced civilization in the middle ages was the Byzantine Empire, the center of Orthodox Christianity. Even in the west there were a number of important inventions, especially in the agricultural world, that could have been scarcely imagined in Antiquity. Also, the term "Dark Ages" was created during the middle ages by a Romaboo named Petrarch.


2efc47 No.644050

>>644045

Library of Alexander thing is meme as well

Pretty much obsolete at that point


0b4f77 No.644051

>>643978

The thing is, this isn't an argument. We can't help you respond unless we know why this is being said. Are they trying to say that because of all this Christianity is false or Islam is true? In that case, you could grant it in full and it still wouldn't follow. The truth isn't contingent on how nice the people teaching it are. Are they trying to say that Islamic society is better than Christian society? In that case, you could simply point out that Christendom has advanced quite far beyond where it was then, and Islam has only regressed. Are they trying to say that the teachings of Christianity are inferior morally to Islam? In that case, you might point out any one of a number of problems with Islam. Its treatment of women and slaves would be a good place to start, or its emphasis on imperialism.

Anyway, don't expect us to do all your reading for you. We're not your personal army.


4b514c No.644071

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I suggest reading book related.


c9dafa No.644096

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Your response is that the reality on the ground does not support their statements. Just look at Islamic countries vs Christian (historically) countries. They are essentially stealing what Christ did for the world, the cornerstone of Western Civilization, and claiming it was Islam that did that nothing can be further from the truth. Dr. Bill Warner is a good source of info. But no matter what you say they will continue to lie. "Reliance of the Traveler" is a popular Muslim book that teaches them to lie for the sake of Islam


2efc47 No.644103

>>644071

Apparently that book is shitted upon by medieval historians too


1ebaf8 No.644120

>>643978

Muslims conquer a lot of the christian world after the civilizational reset of the fall of the roman empire and force Christians into remote places, coastal villages would get raided, sailing the Mediterranean sea becomes impossible due to muslim piracy, they inherit the knowledge of the places they occupied.

Liberals are hailing the conqueror and colonizer because they arent european/christian. You can call them out on their hypocrisy, they do apology of empires and colonizing when its muslim but abhor if its Euro. Which means their opinion isnt based on historical truth but in anti euro/Christian rhetoric.


1a1d65 No.644124

>>644050

I really dislike the meme of "We could be exploring the stars if we still had the Library!"

Sure, many works were lost entirely, but supposedly most of the works that were of actual interest to the Greeks were basically exegeses on Homer and his poetry, or just expansions on the Trojan cycle. Most of the stuff that was also lost was either just philosophy, poetry or history, and whatever scientific, mathematical or technical work may have been in there was either already in use or was irrelevant. Basically, I don't think we lost any classical Theory of Relativities of Origin of Species.


0f6c8e No.644133

>>644124

Not to mention the library of Alexandria was built by 'claiming' the original works, after which a copy was sent to the first owner of these books. So nothing was really lost, just decentralised.


0f955c No.644140

>>643978

What is there even to respond to? Most of it is simply not true, and the rest is only halfway true. Yes, Muslims did give positions in public office to Christians in certain cases, but that was because the Muslims simply did not know how to run a civilized territory after they conquered it. It might be true that Jews were treated better by the Arabs in Spain then there were by the Catholics after they re-conquered Spain, but that's because the Jews were collaborators with the Arabs.


4b514c No.644674

>>644103

How so?

Also we should really make one of those chtistian vs islam threads, does anybody have an archive of past threads?


f8334c No.644675

>>643978

Tell him to take a course and ask him where terms like Newtonian, Mendelian inheritance, Volt, and Watt came from?


6f0bd7 No.644676

Waste of time tbh


ea7d3c No.644677

>>644675

Not the Middle Ages, that's for sure. Good end can't justify bad means.


33b966 No.644704

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>>643978

<while in the middle ages europe was in the dark, the islamic world was preserving works of plato and aristotle and coming up with new advancements in math and science

Wrong. While it is true that they preserved some works of Plato and Aristotle, they burned and destroyed many more in their conquests. Library of Alexandria is an example. And they didnt invent anything, they stole from others. Science as it is properly understood originated in christian Europe, not on Arabia. And mathematics is the same deal as the rest, they stole from othe civilizations and then told everyone that they invented it. 'Arabic' numbers are in reality indian numbers.

<the christian world in the middle ages was under heavy subjugation by the church, burning heretics and witches at the stake, and committing mass genocides and expulsions against jews, cathars, and muslims under reconquista; yet the islamic world gave rights to all its minority groups, jews and christians alike, protecting their synagogues and churches and even letting them own land and hold public office, not even was the case in the previous byzantine empire which discriminated against jews until the muslim conquest which gave both jewish and christian citizens immense rights under its new empire.

Wrong. The christian world was in equal standing with the Church, and very few people were burned at the stake on the Middle Ages. It was mostly a thing from the Renaissance, and even then it was like only 3000 people in all the centuries that the Inquisition was active.

Mass genocides were commited by the muslims, or do you really think that North Africa, Middle East and India all peacefully converted to Islam? Muslims in fact commited the biggest genocide in history on India, killing more than 250 million people there. The Hindus to this day havent forgiven the muslims for that.

Jews weren't genocided on Christian Europe, they were only occasionaly expelled from kingdoms. There is a reason why they dominate the banking business, and that is because we let them. Cathars were a death cult that was growing out of control, they killed pregnant women and wanted that all of humanity stopped reproducing and commited suicide. The King of France asked the Church for help, the cChurch tried sending missionaires there to stop this dangerous heresy, it didnt work and they had to resort to a Crusade. Muslims were asked to convert or to leave, we didnt kill them

Muslims heavily discriminated against christians and jews, we were considered dhimmi and had to pay an extra tax just to exist. They forbid us of converting muslims, and in many ocasions they just told us to convert or die. Only in some very especific occasions were christians or jews allowed to hold public offices, and our churches and synagogues were destroyed or seized by them.

<thousands of jews and non-catholics were killed and persecuted during the centuries long inquisition, but they found refuge in the islamic world which did not discriminate. maimonides, a great jewish philosopher, is one noble example.

The inquisition only investigated Catholics, and in the hundreds of thousands of processes they only executed 3000 people in what, 5 centuries? The muslims killed 250 million people on India. Jews were asked to leave Spain because they helped the muslim conquerors, and they were well received in only some cases.

And another thing: Islam and Judaism are evil faiths that worship the Devil, so it is obvious that they would help one another in certain occasions


e9f26a No.644830

>>643978

yeah, islam preserving works, like how they burned down the library of Alexandria?


71cc47 No.644836

>>643978

>the islamic world was preserving works of plato and aristotle

They also totally destroyed the corpus of persian texts to break cultural resistance to the arabic takeover.


af183d No.644868

>>643978

>islamic world

What they really mean is the Persian world, which the Arabs had very little influence on prior to their conquest.


07e32d No.645063

>>643978

<the christian world in the middle ages was under heavy subjugation by the church, burning heretics and witches at the stake, and committing mass genocides and expulsions against jews, cathars, and muslims under reconquista

And the ottomans were stoning women for letting their hair be seen in public.

<yet the islamic world gave rights to all its minority groups, jews and christians alike, protecting their synagogues and churches

Yeah, that's why they let us keep the Hagia Sophia

<gave both jewish and christian citizens immense rights under its new empire

The right to be taxed to death because of your religion is quite valuable to leftists I suppose

<thousands of jews and non-catholics were killed and persecuted during the centuries long inquisition, but they found refuge in the islamic world which did not discriminate. maimonides, a great jewish philosopher, is one noble example.

Queen Isabella did nothing wrong.

t. Orthodox


2efc47 No.645072

>>644704

>And they didnt invent anything, they stole from others.

Many did invent

And if you're arguing they stole from others, so did Medieval and Renaissance Europeans from Greeks and Romans.


2efc47 No.645073

>>645063

>And the ottomans were stoning women for letting their hair be seen in public

Just look up "Ottoman women fashion" on google


5b1eb3 No.645128

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>>643978

The Not So Golden Age of Islam


5b1eb3 No.645129

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>>645128

Was Medieval Islam "More Advanced" than Christian Europe?


5b1eb3 No.645131

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>>645129

Narrator is crass in his language but gets the point across

An Islamic Golden Age or Appropriation of Hindu achievements ?


a5cf8d No.645137

It's absolutely true that medieval europe didn't make as much advancement as they were since the renaissance. But if scientific advancement was such a great thing, then why does europe experience spiritual degeneration? Technology and the desire to gather more distract us from the inherent purpose of our existence on earth as God intended, and once distracted there is no going back.


2efc47 No.645226

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>>645128

You know that map is stupid as winnie the pooh

>Christian "conquests" are somehow limited to the First Crusade while Muslim "conquests" include everything from millennia

>Counting Muslim raids and skirmishes as "conquests" while ignoring Christian ones

>Ignoring stuff like Northern Crusades, Albigensian Crusades etc etc


4b3fdf No.645235

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>>645226

>muslims dindu nuffin

First off, Winne the pooh isn't stupid

2nd off, The Cathars deserved it heck, they even desired it

Simon de Montfort did nothing wrong


5b1eb3 No.645699

>>645226

Why would a map about Islam vs. Christianity have

Northern Crusades, Albigensian Crusades etc etc?




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